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Obama's missing papers

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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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Im tired of people like you. I won't argue anymore. Eat your cookies and watch Tv.




posted on May, 16 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by dadgad
Privacy rights my butt hole.



America sounds better and better every day.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by dadgad
What evidence do you want? For my allegation that he is a Rothschild agent? If you still don't understand this, if you still don't understand the deception, then whatever.

Dont try to morality trick on me here, because I have no sense of morality when it comes to these mass murderers, frauds and deceivers of mankind.


No common sense either...
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by dadgad Privacy rights my butt hole. America sounds better and better every day.


A classic example of taking things out of context. Confirmation bias. Read the entire post.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by dadgad What evidence do you want? For my allegation that he is a Rothschild agent? If you still don't understand this, if you still don't understand the deception, then whatever. Dont try to morality trick on me here, because I have no sense of morality when it comes to these mass murderers, frauds and deceivers of mankind. No common sense either... edit on 16-5-2011 by userid1 because: (no reason given)


The on that lacks common sense is you. You still don't get it do you? There is no hope in Obama. He is not interested in you, he interested in the New World Order. And the nwo is pure evil intent.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by dadgad
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Originally posted by dadgad Privacy rights my butt hole. America sounds better and better every day.


A classic example of taking things out of context. Confirmation bias. Read the entire post.


I read the entire post. I quoted the highlight that stuck out. This is not what confirmation bias is. This is me commenting on one of the saddest things I have seen written on a forum in a long time. You can add all the context you want to your sick obsession with trampling other people's rights to privacy. The end result is the same either way.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Look at how you contradict reality!! You speak of right for privacy whilst you are being spied upon 24-7 ! What idiocy are you showing me! Do you lack any common sense? Are you able to reflect upon what is happening in your nation?
You are being spied upon, the patriot act has removed your basic rights as a citizen, your nation is bankrupt, a nwo is in planning and you talk to me about respecting privacy rights of the President?

You! You should be protesting on the streets for what is happening! Your forefathers would have a heart attack if they saw the state your nation is in.
Wake up fool and demand clarity from your president, demand that he proves his legitimacy, which he obviously hasn't and remove him from office immediately. These people are about the destruction of America, that is their aim. Wait and see!!


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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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I am not an American.

Take some time to count to ten and come back at me from a less hostile and more informed angle.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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this whole topic is just getting boring now going over the same arguments in everyone of the threads that have been made about him. The government are obviously aware of all this and don't care and niether should you. He's a hell of a lot more competent than Bush ever was so thats a good thing.

Obama is a good guy and is more than capable of doing a good job in the Whitehouse. Your country is so huge and full of people. They are not all going to want the same man in charge.

The rules around your presidency are a joke anyway, like you can only be president for two terms...Well if your doing a good job who cares how long you are president for!

Instead of Obama being black and from another country, shouldn't you guys be worrying about stuff like the imminent WW3 that you are just about to be embroiled in and the fact you have literally, as just broken on sky news, reached your debt ceiling.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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And we thank you for the 'TRUTH' coming from your Canadian Free Press:
Canada Free Press:

In the United States..we are in the stage where Germany was when Hitler first took power: We have a 'corrupt' Socialist government , with a Illegal, treasonous, criminal, Marxist ,President..that has taken total control of our media.....Leading the way is Obama's AP Associated Press...soon the be named Associalistic Press!

If it weren't for the internet..I don't know where we would be today.

To answer one question:
This one is very hard for these anti-American ,socialist Democrats and their 'corrupt' Federal Justice Dept. to understand.....
Obama 'Was' born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa,Kenya located in Coast Province. Obama's father was a Kenya citizen and Obama's mother a U.S. citizen (WHO WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REGISTER OBAMA'S BIRTH IN HAWAII AS A "NATURAL BORN" UNITED STATES CITIZEN!!!!!) The laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth (Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava . 281 F.3d) Required the U.S. citizen parent to have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). Obama's mother was only eightteen (18) years old when Obama was born in Kenya.
Also when Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and moved to Indonesia...Obama became a citizen of that country...because Indonesia did not except dual citizenship..WAS the same Constitutionial Law for the POUS job!!

And as long as Hawaii wants to continue to lie and hide the truth ...they will not be getting any of our money!
Internation Boycott Hawaii

And to get an update on this 'sweeping conspiracy' and Democratic "Anti-American Revolution" go to:"Marxistl-In-Chief"
edit on 16-5-2011 by truther357 because: Pictures needed so Liberal's can understand



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by truther357
And we thank you for the 'TRUTH' coming from your Canadian Free Press:
Canada Free Press:

In the United States..we are in the stage where Germany was when Hitler first took power: We have a 'corrupt' Socialist government , with a Illegal, treasonous, criminal, Marxist ,President..that has taken total control of our media.....Leading the way is Obama's AP Associated Press...soon the be named Associalistic Press!

If it weren't for the internet..I don't know where we would be today.

To answer one question:
This one is very hard for these anti-American ,socialist Democrats and their 'corrupt' Federal Justice Dept. to understand.....
Obama 'Was' born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa,Kenya located in Coast Province. Obama's father was a Kenya citizen and Obama's mother a U.S. citizen (WHO WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REGISTER OBAMA'S BIRTH IN HAWAII AS A "NATURAL BORN" UNITED STATES CITIZEN!!!!!) The laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth (Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava . 281 F.3d) Required the U.S. citizen parent to have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). Obama's mother was only eightteen (18) years old when Obama was born in Kenya.
Also when Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and moved to Indonesia...Obama became a citizen of that country...because Indonesia did not except dual citizenship..WAS the same Constitutionial Law for the POUS job!!

And as long as Hawaii wants to continue to lie and hide the truth ...they will not be getting any of our money!
Internation Boycott Hawaii


A Canadian trying to school us Americans? What a joke! Y'all are not truly free so until you kick the Crown to the curb we may take you seriously but until then butt out!



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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No, that's not how it works. How it works is like this - the president has the same rights to privacy that even you do - whether you consider yourself a citizen anymore or not. You don't have the right to demand anything of Obama, or me, or anyone else - get used to this idea...




You are right, that's not how it works. Not anymore.

Open your mind, and toss away all ideas of how you "remember" things to be. Say for a moment ,that Obama does have the exact same right to privacy as we now do. Which, after "W" is...none.

In that case, the government has all the power, the individual-none. Remember, we now live in a different world. America is not "free" anymore. We now are in a post- HR 3162 America, wherein the beautiful "Patriot act" reigns supreme. The LAW is only manipulated, and used for the benefit of the lawmakers, not the public.

So, using that logic, you are correct. Obama "the man" is now subject only to the scrutiny of the "institution" that he now heads. It is very similar in principle to appointing Al Capone to be the Judge at his own trial.


Harvey Korman to Mel Brooks: "Sire, The peasants are revolting!" Mel Brooks to Harvey Korman: "Yeah they sure are, they stink on ice!"


Now, for a moment, go back to the America that you remember (those of you over 35) Think of how "it used to be".

I remember it like this:

The President of the United States has no right to privacy. Any "expectation of privacy" was forfeited the moment he decided to run for "public" office. An unhindered investigation into the background of all candidates is essential in determining the character of the individual seeking access to “the button”. Disregarding all other reasons, this is done to avoid the possibility of the future POTUS being subject to blackmail. An impeccable character places one "beyond reproach" and thereby decreases the probability of compromising the office, and the institution of the presidency, for personal gain.

As American Citizens we had the right to question whatever we wanted. We had the right to practice the most pure form of patriotism-dissent. We also had the right to DEMAND that our public officials be held accountable for their actions, and DEMAND that they faithfully carry out the duties of the office we elected them to. We also used to DEMAND that their duties were executed in accordance with the interests of the American people.

When events unfold that puts the character of a sitting US President under scrutiny, and evidence is uncovered that suggests that the sitting US President may be guilty of a crime (perjury or of making false statements),
[ 18 U.S.C. § 1001 : US Code - Section 1001: Statements or entries generally]


(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully - (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.


The "demands" [read charges of misconduct] of the American people, MUST be answered in a court of law.

The "Birther" challenge to Obama's "eligibility" is a response to the public discovering his "unsuitability" very late in the game.

The argument and debate boils down to hope for a "do-over". A valid one at that, in the old America. You remember, way back "in the day?" when men were free?

The problem is, if we are no longer free, we have only ourselves to blame. The 2008 PR/Advertising/Marketing Election Campaign promised shiny hope and change, all flash and no substance, and people bought it. Same old product, new shiny box.

Hook, line, and sinker


All the talk in the world wont change things, unless it is addressed to the right people. Back and forth's on ATS are all well and good, but arguing with someone who is diametrically opposed to your way of thinking doesn't help change their mind, it only weakens your points. I can argue politics with my dog for hours. If i do it in public(regardless of how accurate I may be) no one who matters will listen, because to the rest of the world, im just a "nutter" arguing with his dog.



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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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reply to post by dadgad I am not an American. Take some time to count to ten and come back at me from a less hostile and more informed angle.


You're not American? Well that makes sense. You really don't understand at all what is happening right now, you just have some disconnected idea's from a distorted perspective.
I suggest you start studying the FED and what it is doing, study the false flag wars, study the illuminati etc. Because you are really proving to me that you do not understand at all. Watch the Obama deception, a good documentary too.
You throw at me these old fashioned terms that have no relevance in this grave situation.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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This criminal POUS papers are not missing here:Obama birth



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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You too do not understand what is happening. Obama is not competent, he is continuing the exact same agenda the bush administration began and much worse.

Ron Paul is competent. Obama is working to destroy the US from withing, it is literally the aim. It has been the aim since the days of Jackson



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by truther357
In the United States..we are in the stage where Germany was when Hitler first took power: We have a 'corrupt' Socialist government , with a Illegal, treasonous, criminal, Marxist ,President..that has taken total control of our media.....Leading the way is Obama's AP Associated Press...soon the be named Associalistic Press!
Don’t you ever get embarrassed by the nonsense you post?


Originally posted by truther357
Obama 'Was' born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa,Kenya located in Coast Province.
Unsubstantiated opinion.


Originally posted by truther357
Obama's father was a Kenya citizen
Irrelevant.


Originally posted by truther357
Obama's mother a U.S. citizen (WHO WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REGISTER OBAMA'S BIRTH IN HAWAII AS A "NATURAL BORN" UNITED STATES CITIZEN!!!!!)
Obama was born in the United States, so the age of the parents is a non-factor in determining one’s citizenship or natural born citizenship status.



Originally posted by Lono1
I remember it like this: The President of the United States has no right to privacy.
Then you are remembering wrong.


Originally posted by Lono1
Any "expectation of privacy" was forfeited the moment he decided to run for "public" office.
Running for public office makes one a public figure.

You are, somewhat, correct that public figures have a lesser expectation of privacy, but, legally, that only means you have a relatively tougher standard to prove when suing someone for defamation or invasion of privacy.

Being a public figure doesn’t mean, however, that you forfeit your rights, including to privacy.


Originally posted by Lono1
An unhindered investigation into the background of all candidates is essential in determining the character of the individual seeking access to “the button”.
And you know “an unhindered investigation” was done to previous Presidents and candidates how?


Originally posted by Lono1
An impeccable character places one "beyond reproach" and thereby decreases the probability of compromising the office, and the institution of the presidency, for personal gain.
This may shock you but the Constitution doesn’t say one must have “an impeccable character” to be President.

Those sort of ‘qualifications’ are left to the democratic process to address. If the American people feel that Obama doesn’t have “an impeccable character” and that is a determining factor for them, then they can vote for some other candidate in 2012.


Originally posted by Lono1
As American Citizens we had the right to question whatever we wanted.
You can question whatever you want, but that doesn’t mean you are entitled to the answers, or that the President must convince you of something to your personal satisfaction.


Originally posted by Lono1
When events unfold that puts the character of a sitting US President under scrutiny, and evidence is uncovered that suggests that the sitting US President may be guilty of a crime (perjury or of making false statements) ... The "demands" [read charges of misconduct] of the American people, MUST be answered in a court of law.
For a court to deal with these claims, and in order for your side to prevail, you have to present factual, credible and legally relevant evidence, not just fiction, conjecture or hearsay.

The birthers have provided nothing factual, credible or legally relevant so far to support their claims that Barack Obama is ineligible to hold office. Until you do all you have is opinion and beliefs, and courts don’t generally care for those things.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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For a court to deal with these claims, and in order for your side to prevail, you have to present factual, credible and legally relevant evidence, not just fiction, conjecture or hearsay. The birthers have provided nothing factual, credible or legally relevant so far to support their claims that Barack Obama is ineligible to hold office. Until you do all you have is opinion and beliefs, and courts don’t generally care for those things.


I'm sorry dude, you are either a disinfo agent or you really don't get it. You keep saying ''birthers'' have provided no evidence, but unfortunately that is not the problem. We are demanding evidence! Which we have not been given.
He has an entire hidden past an I am more than curious to know who this man really is. He is a ghost.
Just like demanding evidence for the income tax, or 9/11, or Osama's raid, people demand evidence to show who he really is. There is nothing strange about this.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by dadgad
I'm sorry dude
Apologies accepted.


you are either a disinfo agent
Typical.


you really don't get it.
Allow me to demonstrate who “doesn’t get it.”


You keep saying ''birthers'' have provided no evidence, but unfortunately that is not the problem. We are demanding evidence! Which we have not been given. ... There is nothing strange about this.
At least you admit you don’t have any evidence. And that’s not a problem?

The position you are presenting here is, basically, whoever is accused of something must provide evidence to disprove those claims and accusations? Let’s hope no one accuses you of murder or rape.

Barack Obama has provided two certified legally accepted documents that prove he was born in Hawaii, until you provide credible, tangible and legally relevant information to disprove the information contained in these documents, your demands are meritless.

While you might believe “there is nothing strange” about the way you think about this, that is not how the burden of proof works. Your opinion is appreciated but is legally absolutely wrong.



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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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You, know the title of this thread has had me chuckling for a few days.

Of course all of his history is pretty much bogus / covered up but...

It sounds so Nazi.

Obama - SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!






posted on May, 16 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even you. Lets just agree to disagree, shall we? As I said in my above post-
arguing with my dog would just make me look like a "nutter" arguing with a dog.

Arguing with you would have much the same result, so, I choose not to comment on your reply, other than to remark that we have conflicting perceptions.

Its never wise to argue with a fool. They will attempt to bring you down to their level, and beat you once you are there... with experience.




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