Via WND: - Hawaii detective charges 'birth certificate' a fraud - Claims phonies created by state

reply to post by aptness


Don't get yourself too upset brother. These people are so sad. It's comical to watch them foam at the mouth because they jumped on this "birther" bandwagon and just can't admit they are/were wrong. Same with a lot of Bush supporters, the man single handedly destroyed the US economy and they still want to back him. Pathetic.

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by boondock-saint
the actual place of birth may be irrelevant since Immigration and Naturalization VOIDED Obama's Hawaii Birth Certificate on April 22, 1964 due to his father's immigration status.

This is an outright lie.

from Obama's LFBC
with color adjustments to
reveal the bleed over.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c7160dd6cb78.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/469d0e131ab8.jpg[/atsimg]

and yes, Immigration and Naturalization
can and will void birth certificates if their
investigation finds birth certificates of the
child in other countries.

How they found this was their investigation
into his father Obama Sr. which led them
to Kenya.

reply to post by boondock-saint

I appreciate your MSPAINT skills, but, like I said, this nonsense was debunked [here, here] in your own thread.

What a joke.

Originally posted by aptness
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

I appreciate your MSPAINT skills, but, like I said, this nonsense was debunked [here, here] in your own thread.

What a joke.

No, actually it strengthened my case.
It proved there was an Obama Short form
BC underneath the scanned long form.
The void showed up on the short form
underneath. So thanks to nat for his help

The short form Obama showed in 2007 to the press
did not have these hand written texts on them.
therefore making the under document that
bleed over come directly from the archives
in Hawaii where it was originally scanned.

And this is exactly how the CIA can get Obama
to dance to their music. They know the truth.

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Originally posted by boondock-saint

One more oddity:
Obama II born Aug. 4, 1961
Ann Dunham Obama started classes
at the University of Washington on Sep. 2
1961, 2 weeks after Obama was born.
Not very life like to attend college full-time
with a 2-week old new-born in the household.

edit on 5/9/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)

edit on 5/9/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)

Um, Boon...Aug 4 to Sep 2 is FOUR weeks, not two.

You need to work on your math skills. Your arguments kind of fall apart when you can't do math.

Originally posted by notsofunnyguy

Originally posted by boondock-saint

One more oddity:
Obama II born Aug. 4, 1961
Ann Dunham Obama started classes
at the University of Washington on Sep. 2
1961, 2 weeks after Obama was born.
Not very life like to attend college full-time
with a 2-week old new-born in the household.

Um, Boon...Aug 4 to Sep 2 is FOUR weeks, not two.

You need to work on your math skills. Your arguments kind of fall apart when you can't do math.

Oops, it was a typo. I distinctly remember 2 weeks
in my research. So you can adjust the date.
Sorry for the error. I do make mistakes too.
I'm not perfect by any means.

went back to find it was Aug. 19, 1961.
I'll post a copy of Ann's College transcript
for verification for ya

and here's your verification that Ann Dunham Obama
attended classes in Washington State just 2 weeks
after Obama was born.

Obama born Aug. 4, 1961

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/28f7292ba5ab.jpg[/atsimg]

Ann took Anthropology and Political Science in Washington State
starting Aug. 19, 1961

zoomed in version

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1c93f619b9a5.jpg[/atsimg]

very weird that in the following semester she took
History of South Africa

At this very same time Ann was in Washington St.
Obama Sr. was still at Univ. of Hawaii.
They were separated due to Ann finding out Obama Sr.
was already married with 2 kids in Kenya.

and for further clarification
she was in Washington St.
Her street address listing
for 1961-62

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8517647a3758.jpg[/atsimg]

and more evidence for those who want
to call me names.

I said on page 1 that Obama Sr. was being investigated
by INS in 1964 per directive from Harvard.
here is your proof of that. Also find in the document
his deportation in July 1964.

www.scribd.com...

better get a copy of that before it gets deleted

coincidence that Obama Jr's BC gets voided during
the same time Obama Sr gets deported. And both
related through Immigration and Naturalization.

and a copy of the letter to Obama Sr.
from Harvard.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a1b848b26a76.jpg[/atsimg]

sorry, I had to piece together this letter
as my screen capture only captured
half at a time. apologies

Thanks Boondock! I really like the way you handled this, and that's some really good investigative work. It really makes a difference when you have the paperwork to back up what you claim. That's been a problem lately with all the wild threads; especially the Obama/Osama ones. Sorry I missed your thread on this, I'll go and check it out.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Date typo.

Fair enough. Thanks for the correction.

Me is a butthead sometimes.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
It proved there was an Obama Short form BC underneath the scanned long form.

So?

The void showed up on the short form underneath.

Obama’s short form certificate isn’t voided. You are seeing things.

and more evidence for those who want to call me names.

You are providing ‘evidence’ for things that I didn’t dispute, and aren’t even relevant.

What’s the relevance of where Obama’s mother was having class 2 weeks after Obama’s birth? What does that mean for his birth certificate? Nothing. What’s the relevance of Obama Sr.’s immigration status for Obama’s birth certificate? None. So why are you wasting my time with this crap?

You claimed the INS “voids birth certificates,” this is what I disputed, and you haven’t answered. Can you show us evidence that supports this claim of yours?

Show us the law or regulation giving INS authorization and power to void birth certificates. Show us examples of INS ‘voiding’ birth certificates.

Your belief that Obama’s birth certificate was ‘voided’ is not evidence, it’s just your belief in a nonsensical and baseless conspiracy theory.

coincidence that Obama Jr's BC gets voided during

So a state of union just certified a document, that according to you, has been voided back in the 1960s?

Do you honestly believe the things you post?

Originally posted by aptness
You claimed the INS “voids birth certificates,” this is what I disputed, and you haven’t answered. Can you show us evidence that supports this claim of yours?

Shock over voided Puerto Rican birth certificates

WASHINGTON — Native Puerto Ricans living outside the island territory are reacting with surprise and confusion after learning their birth certificates will become no good this summer.

A law enacted by Puerto Rico in December mainly to combat identity theft invalidates as of July 1 all previously issued Puerto Rican birth certificates. That means more than a third of the 4.1 million people of Puerto Rican descent living in the 50 states must get new certificates.

www.tampabay.com...

Yes, Birth Certificates can be VOIDED under certain
circumstances.

and can you tell me what shoe leather
tastes like ???

And I resent your accusations.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Yes, Birth Certificates can be VOIDED under certain circumstances.

Are you birthers all professional goal post movers?

Shock over voided Puerto Rican birth certificates

This is what you provide as supporting evidence of your claims that “Immigration and Naturalization VOIDED Obama's Hawaii Birth Certificate on April 22, 1964” and “Immigration and Naturalization can and will void birth certificates”?

I will quote directly from the source you provided to ‘support’ your claims—

A law enacted by Puerto Rico in December mainly to combat identity theft invalidates as of July 1 all previously issued Puerto Rican birth certificates. That means more than a third of the 4.1 million people of Puerto Rican descent living in the 50 states must get new certificates.

So Puerto Rico enacted a law that invalidated Puerto Rican birth certificates. OK... how does this support your claim that INS voids birth certificates, and has voided Obama’s birth certificate, at all?

I will reiterate my demands: Can you show us evidence that supports this claim of yours? Show us the law or regulation giving INS authorization and power to void birth certificates. Show us examples of INS ‘voiding’ birth certificates.

And I resent your accusations.

You wouldn’t be subject to accusations if you sticked to the facts and didn’t made stuff up.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Sorry Boon but Aptness has a point - none of these factor into Obama's BC legitimacy.

If anything, those transcripts of his mothers only further prove she was HERE, in the United States, giving birth to Obama and then taking classes. Unless you think she was boarding an airline and flying half-way around the world with a 2-week old baby. (actually she'd have to fly within a week of giving birth just to make it back here, get settled in, registered for classes, etc.).

That stuff about the Puerto Rico is even less relevant.

The State of Hawaii officially recognizes Obama's BC. Even the republican official in charge of their vital records office has declared it legitimate.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...." - (from numerous sources)

Governor Lingle (R-Hawaii)

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Birtherism is such a waste of time.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
That stuff about the Puerto Rico is even less relevant.

If a state agency can void birth certificates
then a Federal one can also.

If this was not so, then the Puerto Rico law
would be illegal