Subtle hypocrisy regarding intellectual etiquette

reply to post by OverMan

I read a book the other day pffft!, a 2 book series actually, entitled ISIS UNVEILED where I learned about centuries of atrocities committed do to the belief in another "repository of information" a.k.a "Book" entitled the Bible.

If you've read Blavatsky, you are aware of the philosophical underpinnings of the Nazi Party. At least von Braun never bought into that rubbish. By the way, it was an ad for "Paranormal State."

I never have a problem with people who have experienced things they can't explain.

What I have a problem with is when you fabricate an explanation without evidence, and you choose the most unlikely and fantastic explanation possible.

I have seen a UFO. It was a bright light at around midnight in the summer when I was 15. It moved horizontally across the sky very fast. Very very fast, and just as I started to pay attention to it and notice just how odd it's light and speed were, ZOOM, straight up into the sky traversing what I am forced to recognize is the entire vertical atmosphere in what seemed like less than a second. I still don't know what it was.

#1. Notice my wording, "what seemed like", "what I am forced to recognize". I will never assign fact to that event even though I saw it with my own eyes. Just because I saw it, doesn't mean I understand it. It doesn't mean I'm an instant expert because I witnessed it.

#2. To this day I refuse to say it was anything other than an Unidentified Flying Object. I have no way of knowing it was aliens, or Raptoids, or an interdimensional clone of myself checking in on me. To say such things would be foolish. And since the only evidence I have is a memory of a late night when I was a teenager and technically my brain chemistry was something similar to a schizophrenic, I can't even trust my only evidence in order to attempt research.
What I do have is the ability to say to people,'"Oh yeah, I saw a UFO once, totally freaked me out". When they ask what it was, I don't start making crap up. That's where the error is in almost all this stuff.
No one wants to say, "Honestly, I just don't know". Everyone wants their story to stand out, so they start making crap up, and one guy doesn't want his story to sound more like BS than the last guys story, so he agrees with the last guys story no matter how crazy it is. If the last guys story was REALLY crazy then it just makes his seem more credible.

#3. There are no legitimate reasons to expand or embelish a story about a UFO. Only a small portion of people even think they have seen one so if you are one of the people who honestly think you have seen one, then you are already in a rare group of "lucky" people if you wanna look at this from the cultural one upmanship side like most ATS posters do. You don't have to have been inside the UFO, and raped by bigfoot, AND be carrying an alien half breed baby all at the same.

Chemtrails.
Reptoids, Raptoids, lizard people whatever.
Obama the muslim socialist hell bent on destroying America.
Aliens who are living among us trying to weedle us down for an invasion.
So much stuff on here is so close to insane, that it really is funny.
Then you realize that it's funny, because you don't believe it, and what's really funny is that there are people so gullible that they believe this stuff.
If you really think about that part. It's not really funny. These people are living in fear. It is probably affecting their life and they live among us. In our neighborhoods, our schools our hospitals, and our police forces and so on.

I'd like to see people admit more around here that they don't know what it was they saw, or that happened, or what Chemtrails are. And Admit they are interested and scared, and that they would like to know more.

The problem though is exactly what someone else already posted. Once they decide what it is, it becomes more than just knowledge. It becomes a belief and anyone that doesn't instantly agree with them, is an enemy and is handled as such.

This thread is a good example. May Day OBL Thread I was just trying to point out to a guy that his premise for his post was flawed from the point of view he was applying. I was interested in his insights and his train of thought and was just trying to tell him that he was under cutting his own efforts to get people interested in the thread by how he was presenting it.
Total grouch about it. Acting like I was pissing in his grandmas earn. Whatever.

Maybe there should be a thread and a group who want to stay attached to that thread, who really do wanna take time to go to threads and explain how and where the poster, or group, are failing to acknowledge the scientific method, and how correcting that could help their case, and their threads in the future.
I'd help do that. It's just taking peoples premise and showing them how to restate it properly so that real discussion can happen and they can't be accused of "making it up".

We are really just talking about the annoyance caused by manufactured facts, and if people could be taught to use proper formatting for a premise or hypothesis, hell even colloquial parlance for hypothesis, then it could make discussions more productive.

reply to post by Butterbone


The only reply I have for you is, "Good luck with that one".

Again, I feel it's necessary to say, that sensationalizing and irrational rule the kingdom.

I agree with you, and sympathize, but, good luck with that one. Take 2 theaters side by side, 1 with mindless killing, or fantastic sci-fi exclusively...the other with cohesive and well thought-out explanations of why heavenly bodies do exactly what they do. Precisely what theater do you think will prosper?

The answer to that question should put your mind at ease.

Yeah I get that part. LoL. Mayhap I was feeling excessive optimism thanks to my Mocha caffeine spike! lol

reply to post by Butterbone


It's annoying that this thread is in the BBQ section because you have stated in a really poetic way what I try to say all the time here.

People do get harmed from false 'information' and that will go on forever.

But you, and your outlook. You will pass on and liberate many, many fools from their idiotic shackles and that in itself makes you a champion.

Keep it up!

-m0r

reply to post by m0r1arty


I feel like I'm being buttered up to help move furniture!!! lol.

I don't have a pickup truck anymore. I traded it for a Ford Focus!!!

Originally posted by Butterbone
I feel like I'm being buttered up to help move furniture!!! lol.

I suppose you do- but we are all part of that process. In a few thousand years time perhaps race/age/gender won't really mean as much as it seems to do now;

Hopefully one day we can be united as a people and not have to fight over silly thins - but it's far off and a hard fight.

-m0r