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US Official calls 9/11 and Osama bin Laden Death "Hoax"

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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by boondock-saint
 


his creds have already been established earlier in this thread. The wiki thread has recently changed their info on him since this thread was created. I guess TPTB are reading this thread

Yes, but I notice our resident shills are twisting our interaction with Wikipedia to make it appear as though we are using it as our only resource to verify his credentials. How predictable.


Desperation on the debunkers part!
as the citations that have been added to Wikipedia are
all the ones we dug up in the beginning of this thread.


edit on 5-5-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by xavi1000
I was little joking ..to lift up the mood in this world political madness

well uplifting we def need
round these parts. so thanks



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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I think that PDF file shows that Dr Pieczenik has the intellectual rights to the series as part of the overall company. That allows him to say that he is author. Dave Clark of the Dave clark Five has a similar right to certain well-known hits as a writer, even though he did not actually write any part of certain songs. The upshot is that his name appears legally as writer of a song he did not write. In Pieczenik's case it could well be that he established a theme with his Ideas, and someone else wrote it, I'm speculating of course.


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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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reply to post by Redpillfever
 


I,posted this another one,of bin laden things,on page 13,8 Photos leaked on OBL raid! Death by Water Gun? New Top Secret Chopper?,also some other things...please go and see.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Redpillfever
 

And I clicked on Wikipedia and it showed none of that.


Well click again...




Professional lifePieczenik served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. [3] [2]

Dr. Pieczenik has also previously worked for the state department as a psychiatrist, and was a press source for early information on the mental state of the hostages involved in the Iranian Hostage Crisis after they were freed. [4] He has additionally previously been affiliated in a professional capacity as a psychiatrist with the National Institute of Mental Health. [5]

Dr. Pieczenik also served as an International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator in The State Department under United States President Jimmy Carter. [6]

Dr. Pieczenik was also a consultant to the United States Institute of Peace and the RAND Corporation [7]

Dr. Pieczenik is a member of the National Military Intelligence Association [8]

[edit] Academic JournalismDr. Pieczenik has a number of works Published by the (US) National Military Intelligence Association; The American Intellignec Journal - A Mandate for Intelligence - Steve Pieczenik, M.D., PhD Putin: KGB Forever - Steve Pieczenik, M.D., PhD [8] en.wikipedia.org...-USIP-6



References^ Leland, John (July 20, 1992), The New York Times, pqasb.pqarchiver.com...:24429751&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jul+19%2C+1992&author=Mic hael+Kilian%2C+Chicago+Tribune.&pub=Chicago+Tribune+%28pre-1997+Fulltext%29&desc=Books+too+early%3A+Could+Perot+save+us+from+this+surplus%3F&pqatl=goo gle, retrieved May 5, 2011
^ a b c , www.stevepieczenik.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , digital-library.usma.edu... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.telegraph.co.uk... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ www.usip.org...
^ a b www.nmia.org...
^ Pieczenik, Steve (1997). State of Emergency (First ed.). Putnam Adult. ISBN 0399143238.
^ a b c , www.courts.state.md.us... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.amazon.com...=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Steve+Pieczenik&x=0&y=0, retrieved May 5, 2011
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik" en.wikipedia.org...-USIP-6



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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first, I want a long form BC to prove this guy even exists. Since we all know amy pic on the web is fake, I demand to be able to see it with my own eyes.
second, I want DNA evidence and photos from the day UBL "really" died

I'm sure the ATS community does not just take some one at thier word, that would be someone asking you to "believe what I tell you"



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Beware. Obama may do the same as he did with his Birth Certificate and release proof at a politically expedient time to get votes, by making you all look like Loons. I think that is the real conspiracy here.

is a Far Left activist, born in Cuba and raised for a time in France and a well know progressive with plenty of reason to pull off something like this and no reason to go to Jones. Not to mention he is pushing his real source of income which is FICTION novels about topics much like this one.

Hint: Dig through the NY Times database of articles.

You're being set up here. Osama's Wife who was there at the time, saying they just killed Osama should give you at least enough pause to consider what I'm suggesting.

The Birthers are the laughing stock of the country now thanks to Trump giving his main man Obama a helping hand by pretending to run against him. This is another setup I'm sure. I would not be surprised if Pieczenik gets his marching orders from Obama's people and he certainly ran with that crowd for most of his adult life.


This makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. Did you even listen to the interviews AJ did with Pieczenik? He dumped on Obama like I dump in the toilet every morning: BIG. He dumped on all politicians and his knowledge of history and how our government and the CIA became corrupt was spot on. He wasn't exactly hanging out with Bill Ayers like Obama. I looked through the NY Times and find NOTHING indicating he's some lefty.
edit on 5-5-2011 by Drew99GT because: fat fingers


In fact in the interview he emphatically stated multiple times he's not a tea partier, not a democrat, and not a republican. He's an American.
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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Was O'reilly really so stupid on his show yesterday?



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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reply to post by syrinx high priest
 


not all ATSers are birthers buddy...




posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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reply to post by kgorman
 


has it occurred to you to contact him and request said credentials?
maybe a history book?
after all, if you aren't doing anything wrong...
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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by vlady95
 


Sounds almost not like a raving lunatic until he asserts the whole thing, I guess 9-11 hoax and the bombing of the towers too, and hiding of Osama bin Ladens body in a deep freeze, was orchestrated to boost Obamas plummeting rating in the polls.
I guess they got Osamas family to go along with it too. They must all be Obama supporters.

You know defense department or not people do grow senile.

Why didn't anyone believe him when he came out with this stuff in 2002?
edit on 5-5-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)


These conspiracies span many Presidencies. When you look at the Patriot Act, how it was originally drafted in the Clinton admin under some different name, it took a major disaster to get it enacted. This is exactly now the NWO acts. False Flag OPs are manufactured for the purpose of getting the people to give up their liberties, and only then can they get the American people to surrender to their Totalitarian plan. Another tactic is to take someone who strikes immediate popularity with certain groups of people, and get them to follow him religiously, and then he can do all these outrageous things that otherwise nobody in their right mind would follow. The Left/Right paradigm works especially well in this regard, as long as the person appears "centrist" enough to capture enough of both parties.
So, we have the Patriot Act which only passes after 9-11 when the people are in a state of shock and the public(and even Congress) can be convinced that this legislation and invasion of privacy and of our papers and homes is necessary for safety. Anyone now trying to reverse it will be told, oh but it's working so well, we have not had any major attacks since then, and then they just have smaller False Flags to implement groping and cancer causing radiation techniques at airports to further terrorize Americans and keep touristis from bringing more flow to the economy(thats part of the Soros plan to ruin our economy so we will submit to the Sociailist/Totalitarian Utopia).
I've heard it said that Socialism eats the seed corn. What will they do once they have siphoned off the wealth from all the partially wealthy bourgeoisie? How's depopulation strike you?
In answer to your question, what I say is that not enough people were awake. Look how the Internet has changed the landscape over the last decade? Some may say that typing into a forum is just a way of blowing off steam but nothing gets done. Well, I disagree. It is part of the communication wars, and that's why now they are talking about locking down the Internet with so-called "Net Neutrality". I'm convinced that those who espouse this concept are genuine Totalitarians at heart. It may sound all wonderful that everyone in the whole US and even people in foreign lands will have broadband, but everyone would be under a prison type of Internet like the Great Firewall of China. Google it and see what you find. Plus, it would be another way of taxation and they will surveil us big time, only it will be completely legal.I read George Orwell when I was about 16, so I have always thought that this kind of Totalitarian landscape could occur and when I later read the works of Antony Sutton and found out about Skull and Bones and the NWO, I knew it was the plan.You can call it whatever you like, call it Socialism, communism, capitalism, Totalitarianism, Globalism, Do-goodism, whateverism. Call it Big Govt, Big Pharma, Big Business, Big whatever.
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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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reply to post by boondock-saint
 


off topic: good of you to decide to stick around.


on topic: makes one wonder what else may be being deleted.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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Did Osama ever actually exist in the first place?

All this about him being dead is simply to divert the peoples attention from Obamas birth certificate release.
How do I know this?

Just a feeling I have.

Cheers



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Redpillfever
 

And I clicked on Wikipedia and it showed none of that.


Well click again...




Professional lifePieczenik served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. [3] [2]

Dr. Pieczenik has also previously worked for the state department as a psychiatrist, and was a press source for early information on the mental state of the hostages involved in the Iranian Hostage Crisis after they were freed. [4] He has additionally previously been affiliated in a professional capacity as a psychiatrist with the National Institute of Mental Health. [5]

Dr. Pieczenik also served as an International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator in The State Department under United States President Jimmy Carter. [6]

Dr. Pieczenik was also a consultant to the United States Institute of Peace and the RAND Corporation [7]

Dr. Pieczenik is a member of the National Military Intelligence Association [8]

[edit] Academic JournalismDr. Pieczenik has a number of works Published by the (US) National Military Intelligence Association; The American Intellignec Journal - A Mandate for Intelligence - Steve Pieczenik, M.D., PhD Putin: KGB Forever - Steve Pieczenik, M.D., PhD [8] en.wikipedia.org...-USIP-6



References^ Leland, John (July 20, 1992), The New York Times, pqasb.pqarchiver.com...:24429751&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jul+19%2C+1992&author=Mic hael+Kilian%2C+Chicago+Tribune.&pub=Chicago+Tribune+%28pre-1997+Fulltext%29&desc=Books+too+early%3A+Could+Perot+save+us+from+this+surplus%3F&pqatl=goo gle, retrieved May 5, 2011
^ a b c , www.stevepieczenik.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , digital-library.usma.edu... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.telegraph.co.uk... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ www.usip.org...
^ a b www.nmia.org...
^ Pieczenik, Steve (1997). State of Emergency (First ed.). Putnam Adult. ISBN 0399143238.
^ a b c , www.courts.state.md.us... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.amazon.com...=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Steve+Pieczenik&x=0&y=0, retrieved May 5, 2011
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik" en.wikipedia.org...-USIP-6






Uhhh...Ok
Here is what you first quoted



Dr. Pieczenik received the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) fellowship where he was recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management. In that position he created the Office to Combat Terrorism and the Family Liaison Office. He reorganized the medical department within the State Department, and merged and reorganized the Department of Cultural Affairs and US Information Agency into one organization: the International Communications Agency.

Dr. Pieczenik created first hostage survival courses in the US government and became famous for developing the strategy and tactics for rescuing hostages around the world.[1] Through his hostage negotiation skills he helped save many lives. He developed the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for trans-cultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government.

Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.

Dr. Pieczenik continues to consult to the Department of Defense.

On May 3rd, 2011, radio host Alex Jones aired an interview in which Dr. Pieczenik claimed that Osama Bin Laden had died of Marfan syndrome back in July of 2001, and that the attacks on the United States on 9/11 were part of a false flag operation by the American government.



See the changes? Now when you click the link it Wikipedia is saying that the page is a candidate for deletion due to unreliable sourcing...

You wouldn't by any chance be the good "doctor?"...doctoring up the wikipedia page?...and trying to get some free buzz here on ATS?



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by conar
Was O'reilly really so stupid on his show yesterday?

lmao
u got to be joking right ???


O'Reilly just claimed that Leon Panetta
was an honest guy !!!

How absurd is that ???
U can NOT get to be head of the CIA
unless u r one of the snakes in the grass.
Such sad news to see O'Reilly go down hill.

Since you brought up O'Reilly, why don't we ask
O'Reilly about his own connection to the CIA?

Did you know that the CIA front company
EVERGREEN provides O'Reilly with jets
to fly to his gigs ????

So O'Reilly is directly connected to the CIA
via fringe benefits so of course he's gonna say
Leon Panetta is an honest man. Panetta
pays his travel bills with free CIA jet travel.
Just keep the CIA out of his target scope
and he's good to go



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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As a matter of fact ALL of the sources for Pieczenick on wikipedia have been created TODAY on ...How long will that page last? From your post...notice the dates? Anything you want to share? Everybody has to make money somehow......why not with the death of OBL.


Originally posted by burntheships

References^ Leland, John (July 20, 1992), The New York Times, pqasb.pqarchiver.com...:24429751&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jul+19%2C+1992&author=Mic hael+Kilian%2C+Chicago+Tribune.&pub=Chicago+Tribune+%28pre-1997+Fulltext%29&desc=Books+too+early%3A+Could+Perot+save+us+from+this+surplus%3F&pqatl=goo gle, retrieved May 5, 2011
^ a b c , www.stevepieczenik.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.nytimes.com... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , digital-library.usma.edu... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.telegraph.co.uk... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ www.usip.org...
^ a b www.nmia.org...
^ Pieczenik, Steve (1997). State of Emergency (First ed.). Putnam Adult. ISBN 0399143238.
^ a b c , www.courts.state.md.us... retrieved May 5, 2011
^ , www.amazon.com...=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Steve+Pieczenik&x=0&y=0, retrieved May 5, 2011
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik" en.wikipedia.org...-USIP-6





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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by kgorman
 


has it occurred to you to contact him and request said credentials?
maybe a history book?
after all, if you aren't doing anything wrong...
edit on 5-5-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)


I have got an email in to him... haven't heard anything back from the doc yet...



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
You wouldn't by any chance be the good "doctor?"...doctoring up the wikipedia page?...and trying to get some free buzz here on ATS?

I will personally vouch for the integrity
of burntheships.

She has been a most valuable trusted source
of info on a number of my threads. She is an
asset to this forum and such accusations
by you are completely unfounded.

And personal attacks on this forum is
completely against T&C of this site.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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I can't believe some people are STILL questioning this guy's credibility. Maybe at first it was okay to question it, but now hardcore proof has been dug up of who he is, and still doubters... or maybe they're disinfo agents?

edit on 5-5-2011 by ericsnow because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Nick_X
Have you guy's seen his official website?

It's nearly laughable!
Dr Steve's website

I will reserve my thoughts on this guy until someone can verify his credentials. Currently he just seems like an author trying to sell more books who happened to have some unknown period of time working for the State Department.


the laughable part is what i guarantee he spent on it



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