Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Once again you have failed to establish any of this with any hard evidence, as well as failed to establish the lawfulness of the action of the police
in demanding people vacate private property and assaulting them on private property.
You can mount your personal attacks on me and other posters all day long as a side dish with your spamming the same unsubstantiated and wildly
exagerated claims you are making, but it really isn't going to do anything to make your factless argument more sound or more appealing.
What you imagine you are accomplishing through such actions is beyond me, but to date you have failed to convince anyone of anything with your lack of
evidence, and social skills.
And we have a grand slam home run.. You have now used the entire cycle I described a page back,.. This is your standard.. Seize on a topic and use it
to push your agenda of I hate USA. Attack the government with info not present.
When people present info that doesnt support you, you attack the info and play word games, which you are doing. You demand infomration that you cant
even provide yourself, and use that to claim the field, inaacurately I might add.
Then we come full circle to the personall attacks on the people, and the idiotic game of didnt prove this or that, while all the while the info for
the topic at hand is present and is verifiable.
Sorry you didnt get your way by trtying to blame the cops for excessive use of force.
The students caused the problem
The students didnt leave when told to do so
The cops had to call for backup and riot police because of the problems students were causing.
By dismissing the articles (which you supported at first until more info came out that underminded your argument) you moved to eyewitness accounts.
That is until a few other posters made statements that contradicted the one poster, or the horses mouth as a person stated. Then its the video, and
since then other video has come forward that shows a different story than the one you are painting.
So now we are the the round robin part, where you demand info that you cant even provide yourself.
As I stated before, apparently denial just aint a river in Egypt.
You have not supported your claims, other than by confusing people by corporate soverign citizen BS.
I asked you to tell us the names of the officers whoviolated peoples rights and you couldnt.
I asked you to tell us what laws the Police broke, and you couldnt.
I asked you to tell us what civil rights were violated, and you couldnt.
I asked you these questions as a response to the idiotic questions you asked, and attempted to claim the field because they cant be answered...
Going back to page one, the thread was about the use of force by the Police to clear out rioters.
I have provided the information that clearly defines law enforcement parameters when it comes ot use of force, the manner that use of force must be
viewed in by the courts when determining if it was excessive or not, and provided the info that covers a civil rights violation.
The Police did not violate any of that - period.
I am honeslty surprised you didnt just go with that answer, since its easier for you to spin that the government is protecting its own, instead of
trying to proetct students illegal behavior by obfuscation.
Any person with a knowledge of the law could see the 2 angles.. hwo come you didnt?
I closing, since there is nothing else to debate in the thread until the charges are resolved and police reports become available as public record, we
are elft with the follwoing facts -
** Students asked for a block party permit, and were denied.
** Students held the block party anyways, and the police worked with them by assiging officers to the area to check for underage drinking.
** Students were drinking all day, and cops were checking ids, and NO problems cropped up (contray to the bs argument some made that things went south
when the cops showed up. Hard to do when they were there from the start, but again you ignore it because it does support your argument).
** Around 6pm intociated students began to get out of control
** destruction of city property, vandalism, fires, fights (according to one article) caused by students
** Uniformed patrol officers began to tell students to leave the area.
** EMS was called to deal with students who had alcohol poisoning
** Students started throwing beer bottles at EMS
** Students started throwing beer bottles at the Police
** Police called for reinforcements due to the numbver of students present and the fact they were not following directions given by the Police.
All of this is in the articles.. Its in the press releases, its in the press release from WIU and its from youtube video.