Bible verses clearly condone the Killing of Gays and Witches.

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Yes I'm pretty sure you have to accept it. Someone might not accept it today, but everyday is another chance for them to accept it. So, I wouldn't want to kill anyone. I'd want them to live so maybe tomorrow or the next day they might accept it. Hopefully they will, but it's there if they ever want it.

The rule set may still be hard to follow by the letter. In my experience and opinion it doesn't work instantly. As you change inside it becomes easier. Like my church says you might think you'll be a completely changed person tomorrow, but it doesn't really work like that. Everyone takes a different path and a different amount of time I suppose and it works on God's time and not the believer's. It's like a seed that starts small and gets bigger.

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by dalan.

First off, not when you're talking about spiritual law.

If I wanted to find out about spiritual law, I could just astrally project. Its really much easier that way than basing beliefs off heresy.

Secondly, then I suppose effectively all of western civilization was built by fools as a great many laws have been based on the words of the bible for...a multitude of centuries my friend.

Not all of it, and not all at the same time. But like I said, basing laws off of anything that cannot be verified and tested is foolish.

I'd personally like to say I think it worked out somewhat better than other nations who didn't base their laws on such, and saw the rise of Pol Pot, Stalin, and the Kims of North Korea.

Yes, because the United States was born from spiritual beliefs and not reason. No, when people use reason the only thing that happens is dictatorships.

Nice use of logic.

Actually, dictatorships, socialism, and communism are prime examples of governments created from a lack of reason.

Let me know if you have anything else to add here, and be well

Human reason has brought us to where we are today. Human reason taught us to fly. Human reason showed us how to cure disease. Human reason has given modern man a quality of living that kings could only dream of. It is human reason, and human reason alone, that has been our saving grace by shining a light in the dark spaces of superstition.

The only good that superstitious beliefs have done for us is inciting acts of violence, murder, and genocide by stifling our reason.

In the beginning God created Man and Woman.

God said to Man and Woman, "Do not eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil (judgement). it will kill you!"

Snake comes along and tricks woman into eating fruit.

Woman tastes fruit, "This is Good afterall!" (first judgement)

Tempts Man to eat fruit.

Man, "Your right it IS Good!" (second judgement)

Man and woman: "We are NAKED!" (third judgement), "what have we done eating this fruit!, we are ashamed, lets hide!" (fourth Judgement)

God comes along sees what happened and kicks them from the Garden of Eden. He protects it's entrance with two cherubs (your eyes) and bars it's gate with a flaming sword (the judgement you make of the world you see).

He tells man to go forth and multiply.

They do.

Two Brothers make an offering up to God. One Brother feels slighted because of the result of their offering (Judgment). He kills his Brother.

God comes along and sees what has happened. He marks the murderer on his forhead. (shame, another judgement).

Man becomes so wicked and destructive because of his judgement, he wipes the slate clean except for Noah.

Noah starts again with his family on a new earth.

He gets the order to go forth and multiply.

While sleeping naked after a good night of drinking, his family members see him and are ashamed (judgement) So two go in and cover up the naked drunk (judgement).

Noah wakes and sees what has happened. He curses those who covered him (judgement).

FFWD

Moses takes the hebrews from Egypt for they were an oppressed and enslaved people. He climbs a mountain and asks God how to give Law to a free people.

God gives the Ten Commandments. It list what one SHOULD do.

Moses comes down and sees his people having a ball and worshipping a golden calf. He gets angry and scolds them. (Judgement), dropping the ten commandments in the process. Goes back up the hill to tell God "oops, I dropped them, can I have another". God Obliges.

Moses comes down and gives the people the law.

Time passes and someone breaks one of the laws.

The Ten Commandments do not contain a way to enforce them. So....

Man uses his own Judgement to write a set of laws to enforce the laws given by God.

FFWD

Christ comes along...

Hey my people, you have screwed it up form the beginning. You are not the judge. You are just supposed to be multiplying, loving one another, and loving this creation we have been gifted. Don't even get angry with each other. Live in peace! You are not the Judge of each other. You are NOT the Judge. Be free, be willing to die to be free, and love one another enough to let each be free!

The Priests call him a heretic, the Empire calls him an Anarchist and they conspire to kill him!

Christ is crucified, but his simple truth can't be stopped.

So, the Empire infiltrates his movement and usurps his teachings.

Christ is made THE God, and in the name of this new God, a New set of Laws is created.

The new law? Listen to the Priests. If you do not listen to the Priests, you are a heretic and face death.

Today....

After centuries of hate and blood shed, people so despise Christ for what HIS church has done in his name that they seek to destroy any mention of him. Rather than learn his truth, they turn to elected rulers to rule over them.

Corporations grow up around man and buy out the election process. Owning the election process, the corporations become the rulers of man. Little does man know that the corporations are merely an arm of the banks, which are the arm of the same Empire which killed Christ.

Man stays enslaved in the end, by his own Judgement.



Eh, that's how I see it anyway.

With Love,

Your Brother

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If Christ is God and is salvation, exactly how does one go about following with organized religion in the way?

Also, it is only due to organized religion that Christ is remembered (assuming he was a real person) - were it not for them he would have never been known. So, the only way one can know of him is thanks to the very institutions that evoke such deserved negativity and dislike.

You would not know of Christ if it were not for organized religion and organized religion is corrupt and deceitful.

One can't trust the bible for truth, can't trust the church for truth and can't trust christians for truth because the former two are their bread and butter.

Originally posted by Garfee
If Christ is God and is salvation, exactly how does one go about following with organized religion in the way?

Also, it is only due to organized religion that Christ is remembered (assuming he was a real person) - were it not for them he would have never been known. So, the only way one can know of him is thanks to the very institutions that evoke such deserved negativity and dislike.

You would not know of Christ if it were not for organized religion and organized religion is corrupt and deceitful.

One can't trust the bible for truth, can't trust the church for truth and can't trust christians for truth because the former two are their bread and butter.

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I never said Christ is God or Salvation. His teachings are the way, the truth, and the life if you are willing to do what he taught.

It does not matter to me if I ever heard the name Christ. I found his teachings to be true on my own. What amazes me about Christ is he taught 2000 years ago what I learned this life time on my own. His truth is that timeless.

We cannot judge one another. Judging one another is what leads to all our social ills.

We must love one another. By loving one another we will take care of one another and work together to build a better society for all.

I do not focus on the Man like many others do my friend. I focus on what he taught and what he taught was the plain simple truth.

With Love,

Your Brother

Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

On judgement. While the Bible clearly states that we should not judge, lest we be judged, it does not say that we cannot judge. We do judge, but we judge by what the Bible tells us and not what we believe or feel is correct. That is the difference, we are not to make our own judgement in the place of what God says. If I say the Bible says that homosexuality, or murder is a sin, it is not my judgement but God's. So when and if we need to make a judgement we are not to assume the powers of a judge and decide for ourselves what is the truth. The Bible gives the judgement and settles the matter.

Also, as for the execution of the law as it pertains to justice and judgement, the Bible is clear. Those under the New Covenant are told to leave retribution and vengeance to Almighty God and he will repay. So we are to live our lives peacefully with our neighbors and allow God to execute His will on the unjust and unbeliever, the witch and the homosexual alike.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

OK - - so who/what exactly is Jesus?

There is absolutely zero real proof of his existence. He exists only in writings.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

Where does Jesus say he IS God?
Where does Jesus say the Bible is the inspired word of God?
Where does Jesus say he is God's attempt to reach man? I thought he was God?

Originally posted by Fromabove
On judgement. While the Bible clearly states that we should not judge, lest we be judged, it does not say that we cannot judge. We do judge, but we judge by what the Bible tells us and not what we believe or feel is correct.

Where does Jesus say it is ok to Judge?
Didn't Jesus say that he Judges NO man?
Are you better than Jesus?

Originally posted by Fromabove
That is the difference, we are not to make our own judgement in the place of what God says. If I say the Bible says that homosexuality, or murder is a sin, it is not my judgement but God's. So when and if we need to make a judgement we are not to assume the powers of a judge and decide for ourselves what is the truth. The Bible gives the judgement and settles the matter.

I thought Jesus said that God was within YOU, not a book?
Didn't he tell his disciples go out without scrip (scripture) and teach the Kingdom of Heaven?
Are you spreading the good news or are you stuck in the old kingdom?

Originally posted by Fromabove
Also, as for the execution of the law as it pertains to justice and judgement, the Bible is clear. Those under the New Covenant are told to leave retribution and vengeance to Almighty God and he will repay. So we are to live our lives peacefully with our neighbors and allow God to execute His will on the unjust and unbeliever, the witch and the homosexual alike.

If this is true, why do you judge others so easily and harshly?
Is this your idea of spreading love?

Would you feel loved if I were to say you are an unloving heretical pompous lunatic that knows not what Christ taught nor how to exemplify his teachings, that you are fixated on your own righteousness and should suffer the condemnation you toss at others while hiding your evil behind a book that has become your false idol ignoring the true God that exists right in front of you in Man, the being created in HIS image? Would you feel loved if you were judged as an idolator?

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Gemwolf
Well, if we still followed the old Jewish laws there would be a lot of killing going on.

Parents killing their children:

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

and

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Fortune tellers:

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Adulterers:

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Any non-believers:

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Women that are not virgins when they get married:

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

People that work on Sunday:

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Wow. At this pace I don't see many people making it to the end of the week, so I'm going to stop while we're ahead...

We don't follow the Old Testament’s laws anymore. For good reason. The main reason probably because people randomly followed/follows that suit their needs...

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Again Jewish Laws for Jewish Ancient people, it was there so the Jewish Israeli land was pure, they had to stay pure in front of God so he would help them make a city with laws so other foreigners would not interupt their future plans and bloodlines.

Deuteronomy 14
Clean and Unclean Food

21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God.
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As you see from Deuteronomy 14 it was law for the Israelites not other people, how come certain food can be sold to them while they could not eat it, it is because everything had to be holy and pure in front of God. Today man is not in front of God we don't need to go this far, we don't hold the Ark of the Covenant either, we are not Jews and it is not 4000 years ago. There is a big difference to these quotes and the 10 Commandments, laws changed with the relationship with God the Bible changed and so did the laws according to our sins. While the rest of the ancient world was barbaric, some of it was even genetically changed to being giants and nephilim, they had to be conqured and the Jewish line kept in order to bring about the Messiah in later years.
Those laws could be made because it rarly happened.

No doubt people can not read between the lines and they probably use quotes to their own needs but that is lack of reading and understanding the whole picture.

Also I like to note is that Jesus who was alive and the Jesus who resserrected afterwards changed everything, man was left back to his own form of judging with guidence inspired by what Jesus said, we can never be as pre as him but we can try to help humanity along the way.

John 8:58 (New International Version, ©2011)

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
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John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
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Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" [62] "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
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Matthew 27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
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Jesus claimed to be God he did not say he was not otherwise all Christiandom has failed.

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Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

On judgement. While the Bible clearly states that we should not judge, lest we be judged, it does not say that we cannot judge. We do judge, but we judge by what the Bible tells us and not what we believe or feel is correct. That is the difference, we are not to make our own judgement in the place of what God says. If I say the Bible says that homosexuality, or murder is a sin, it is not my judgement but God's. So when and if we need to make a judgement we are not to assume the powers of a judge and decide for ourselves what is the truth. The Bible gives the judgement and settles the matter.

Also, as for the execution of the law as it pertains to justice and judgement, the Bible is clear. Those under the New Covenant are told to leave retribution and vengeance to Almighty God and he will repay. So we are to live our lives peacefully with our neighbors and allow God to execute His will on the unjust and unbeliever, the witch and the homosexual alike.

My beloved one, since you claim that Jesus is God, when you have a minute explain to me who Adam is and who you are and who Christ is; and also the meaning of John 3: 17 and 1st Corinthians 15: 24.

And regarding judgment, It is not meant for you to judge what is right or wrong: it is for to discern what is right and what is wrong, and gravitate toward that which is right; hence you are told to love the sinner, but hate the sin. The truth is within you when it comes to what is right and what is wrong; but the mystery of the wisdom of God, though is embedded in the Bible, yet can only be revealed at the appointed time and by the anointed one, that the righteous work of your Creator and Maker should be fulfilled: for you are a creature being fashioned unto glory.

And regarding the witch and the homosexual, the believer and the unbeliever, are they not all of God? is it not the same God that created them? even the Bible explains to you that God created the crooked serpent. There is a purpose for all that is; clear your mind of all prejudices, even religiosity, and the truth will be manifested unto you!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

OK - - so who/what exactly is Jesus?

There is absolutely zero real proof of his existence. He exists only in writings.

Beloved Annee, do you exist? Since you did write this comment you do exists, don't you? At least those of us who read it can attest to that fact that you do exist.

Those whose lives were touched by the teachings of Jesus wrote about his existance and all that he did; else nothing would have been written about him. Now, that you might discern the mystery of life, the same Jesus, who became the Christ, was Adam; and from him were you created, else you would not exist. Do not bash something you are ignorant about; if you seek knowledge, ask, don't asume.

If you desire the truth, go to waterofshiloh.com... and be enlightened!

Peace be with you!

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

On judgement. While the Bible clearly states that we should not judge, lest we be judged, it does not say that we cannot judge. We do judge, but we judge by what the Bible tells us and not what we believe or feel is correct. That is the difference, we are not to make our own judgement in the place of what God says. If I say the Bible says that homosexuality, or murder is a sin, it is not my judgement but God's. So when and if we need to make a judgement we are not to assume the powers of a judge and decide for ourselves what is the truth. The Bible gives the judgement and settles the matter.

Also, as for the execution of the law as it pertains to justice and judgement, the Bible is clear. Those under the New Covenant are told to leave retribution and vengeance to Almighty God and he will repay. So we are to live our lives peacefully with our neighbors and allow God to execute His will on the unjust and unbeliever, the witch and the homosexual alike.

You were so close to actually making sense but you just totally missed the mark.

If god creates a person to be homosexual and then tells them not to be, god is evil and does not deserve my spit let alone worship.

So perhaps it is not god but the bible. In which case the bible is as wrong as religion.

Originally posted by Olise

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

OK - - so who/what exactly is Jesus?

There is absolutely zero real proof of his existence. He exists only in writings.

Beloved Annee, do you exist? Since you did write this comment you do exists, don't you? At least those of us who read it can attest to that fact that you do exist.

You did not answer the question.

I don't need preaching. Thank you.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Olise

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Fromabove
Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus is the salvation of the world. The Bible is the inspired word of God, not religion. Religion is man's attempt to impress God, Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Crimes and corruption within organized religion are not the fault of the Bible or Jesus, but of man.

OK - - so who/what exactly is Jesus?

There is absolutely zero real proof of his existence. He exists only in writings.

Beloved Annee, do you exist? Since you did write this comment you do exists, don't you? At least those of us who read it can attest to that fact that you do exist.

You did not answer the question.

I don't need preaching. Thank you.

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I did answer your question Annee; go back to my post and read it again. I even gave you a link to go to and learn more, since it is too long (49 pages) to post on this thread.

Peace be with you Annee!

Um. Gee. What happened to exercising the freedom of religion, no matter how far-fetched the interpretations of said reading materials as far as moral and ethical codes? Isn't that why people love to live in America --- to be free to do whatever and whenever they d@mn-well want in the name of religion (because "God and pals" said so)?

I know. I know: Separation of Church and State. Killings not condoned.

I posted a new thread which may open some eyes on this subject.

Eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the son of man

It illustrates the deeper lessons that Christ were teaching in comparison to what the Old Testament only hinted at.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Olise
I did answer your question Annee; go back to my post and read it again.

You have got to be kidding me.

Who/what Jesus is - - - is in a 49 page PDF?

That's the best you can do?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Olise
I did answer your question Annee; go back to my post and read it again.

You have got to be kidding me.

Who/what Jesus is - - - is in a 49 page PDF?

That's the best you can do?

Alright Annee, lets start over. Asking Who/What is Jesus is like asking Who/What is Adam and Who/What are you? You are a divine being housed within a vessel known as Man; you are part of a multiplied whole that started in Adam, to be refined and perfected a glorious being. Adam regenerated as Jesus: bear in mind the spirit is what regenerates; the spirit which became Adam is he that was/is of God for whom creation was made.

He was sent an example in Jesus that you might understand the mystery and wisdom of God and his righteous work which he is doing in you and your final glory when your refinement is fulfilled, which mystery is covers parterns, symbols and laws. All these things are clearified in that PDF document you mentioned. I simply mentioned going to the site to read up on all that you are seeking answers for so that it doesn't seem as if I am trying to preach to you, but it didn't stop you from feeling that way anyway.

I was simply trying to help, not anoy you. Peace be with you!

Originally posted by Olise

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Olise
I did answer your question Annee; go back to my post and read it again.

You have got to be kidding me.

Who/what Jesus is - - - is in a 49 page PDF?

That's the best you can do?

Alright Annee, lets start over. Asking Who/What is Jesus is like asking Who/What is Adam and Who/What are you?

NO - it is not.

I want your personal belief who/what you think Jesus is.

I am very clear on what my belief is.

I am at a complete loss here, how can you give people your commandments, tell them that these are what they have to obey or suffer the worst consequences for eternity............... and then, a little later, give them a hit list of whom to kill.