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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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The question is just a reflective question. All texts, other than the Bible, are missing something. Only the Bible can claim this. What would you surmise this to be? Use this Chart. This isn't homework. I'm just curious to know if anything stands out in light of my comment that I can find access to love as the point of life in most other texts.


Originally posted by Akragon
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The tree of life is allegorical which i tend not to study much of...

Theres many ways of looking at it, but again it depends on whos point of view you learned it from... Some would say the tree of life represents the different chakras in your body. Others believe its a litteral story...like an actual tree located somewhere on the earth at one time *shrug*

I'd like to hear your view on it of course


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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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It is the only history book ever written to accurately construct a picture of history from the perspective of the complete fourth dimension. Past, Present, Future

This is amazing, but consider what else it is, does, claims, produces, verifies.

-No other book has ever done this and stood for 2000 years as accurate.
-No other book has ever claimed to be from the one true God and provided the evidence for the claim.
-No other book has ever been published in as many languages. 1700+
-No other book has ever sold as many copies. Not even close.
-It is the first book ever printed mechanically.
-The only book that claims multiple authors, over thousands of years, pointing to one overall subject of describing the fourth dimension and how to escape it.
-No other book has ever been written where the first verses are mathematically descriptive of what is being described--reality. Not only descriptive by what it says, but with the math hidden within the text lettering.

No other book can tell you what will happen tomorrow on the news 2000 years before tomorrow, and then give you a reason it happened.

My next question: How can you doubt?




Originally posted by SuperiorEd
The question is just a reflective question. All texts, other than the Bible, are missing something. Only the Bible can claim this. What would you surmise this to be? Use this Chart. This isn't homework. I'm just curious to know if anything stands out in light of my comment that I can find access to love as the point of life in most other texts.


Originally posted by Akragon
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The tree of life is allegorical which i tend not to study much of...

Theres many ways of looking at it, but again it depends on whos point of view you learned it from... Some would say the tree of life represents the different chakras in your body. Others believe its a litteral story...like an actual tree located somewhere on the earth at one time *shrug*

I'd like to hear your view on it of course


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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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I'm just curious to know if anything stands out in light of my comment that I can find access to love as the point of life in most other texts


I wouldn't really say that is the point of life, though ultimately that may be the goal... to love everything unconditionally. Life is about learning through experience...


No other book can tell you what will happen tomorrow on the news 2000 years before tomorrow, and then give you a reason it happened.

My next question: How can you doubt?



I don't think the bible can predict the future. I've seen many claims but its always after the fact.... Some event happens and then people find passages in the bible that they can relate to the situation. Then they get all wound up and freak out because they think it was predicted by the bible which it wasn't. Theres a lot of wisdom in the bible theres no doubt about that... but i think people read to far into who wrote what, when they can just find the one message that can spread peace and harmony through out the world.

How can i doubt? I don't doubt, i discount nothing from what i read... though i will say that some passages in the bible were Not inspired by God but instead greedy hateful men trying to further their own agendas. Then again i don't know, and i won't make any claims to know exactly who wrote what. The fact is it was inspired, yet still written by the hand of men, which leaves doubt as to what the true messages and teachings were. Gnostic texts were the major belief before christianity, and look what happened to them... The church wiped them out... God inspired people commiting mass murder in the name of God...

I have my issues with believing every word is from God, but it doesn't matter anyways. I know the message and i don't need any book to spread it.


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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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That was an awesome answer. I learn when we talk. Neutral stance then. I'm not out to win your soul. That's between you and God and He already knows. I do like to present my perspective against the reflection of other images. It gives me the chance to see how my image compares. Sometimes I see a flaw in mine. It's a handy process.


Originally posted by Akragon
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I'm just curious to know if anything stands out in light of my comment that I can find access to love as the point of life in most other texts


I wouldn't really say that is the point of life, though ultimately that may be the goal... to love everything unconditionally. Life is about learning through experience...


No other book can tell you what will happen tomorrow on the news 2000 years before tomorrow, and then give you a reason it happened.

My next question: How can you doubt?



I don't think the bible can predict the future. I've seen many claims but its always after the fact.... Some event happens and then people find passages in the bible that they can relate to the situation. Then they get all wound up and freak out because they think it was predicted by the bible which it wasn't. Theres a lot of wisdom in the bible theres no doubt about that... but i think people read to far into who wrote what, when they can just find the one message that can spread peace and harmony through out the world.

How can i doubt? I don't doubt, i discount nothing from what i read... though i will say that some passages in the bible were Not inspired by God but instead greedy hateful men trying to further their own agendas. Then again i don't know, and i won't make any claims to know exactly who wrote what. The fact is it was inspired, yet still written by the hand of men, which leaves doubt as to what the true messages and teachings were. Gnostic texts were the major belief before christianity, and look what happened to them... The church wiped them out... God inspired people commiting mass murder in the name of God...

I have my issues with believing every word is from God, but it doesn't matter anyways. I know the message and i don't need any book to spread it.


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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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It's not a single book, but a series of multiple books.

What about the non-canonical scriptures (those not in the bible)? And which bible? Some texts that are in the Catholic bible aren't in the protestant. Some that are in the Ethiopian orthodox canon aren't in the Eastern Orthodox canon.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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I know the message and i don't need any book to spread it.


Without the bible and/or words of other men....God is only God. God is what we don't understand. If someone states they can extract moral and ethical teaching from simply observing reality then please show us how to do so.
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 05:27 AM
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I read the Corpus Hermeticum, Enoch, Jasher, Dhammapada, Discourses of Rumi, Lost Books of Eden, Quran and even Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. Truth is not so much where you look, but how you perceive. Truth agrees with both the heart and mind equally. There is a thread of truth that runs through everything you read. This thread is a rope, a steel cable, in the Bible. The root of branching knowledge is found from within its pages. LINK If you want to find it, you need clean hands, an open mindset and no bias against God. LINK


Originally posted by SorensDespair
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It's not a single book, but a series of multiple books.

What about the non-canonical scriptures (those not in the bible)? And which bible? Some texts that are in the Catholic bible aren't in the protestant. Some that are in the Ethiopian orthodox canon aren't in the Eastern Orthodox canon.

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by SuperiorEd
You are possibly starting your search in the wrong direction. Most of us did or are doing this. Start with the root.


I did once a upon a time, started going towards the wrong destination, not that is was "wrong" but it wasn't fulfilling enough, I needed a challenge. What is the root? The root is asking and pondering on the following questions. Why am I here? What's my purpose? To do that, you must search for ALL types of knowledge, not just the Bible. The earlier you realise these questions, the easier life will be (heaven).



If we want to cure cancer, the best starting point is to find the environmental trigger for the cancer.


Agreed. Same thing for all texts, knowledge is always passed down and we should research on who wrote those texts? Who is promoting them and why? The first appearences of knowledge are closer to the truth than the latter ones. Think of the ripple created in a pond when throwing something in it, the further the waves get from the core, the weaker they are, finally stopping.



It would be presumptuous to say God is wrong or the Bible is flawed if you have not been searching from the right direction and perspective. If you need to ask what that direction or perspective is, then you haven't found it. When you have, there will be no doubt.

Well said my friend.



Disagreeing with me is bias. What I just said is bias. At some point, someone will be right and it takes the removal of the bias to know and agree. By running around saying that it is incorrect is chasing your tail. Examine and test everything. The Bible says this by the way.


Yet many who follow the Bible to this anyway.



The root for knowing truth is knowing 'self' for what it is--pride.


But before "know thy self," you must "dare to know," and I disagree it is pride, more towards reasoning and logic, but it depends on your motive.



We are all driven by pride until we are not. Until then, we are driven only for self and little else. It doesn't start with a search of texts, engraved rocks or anything in the material world. You have most likely read many texts and come across the part about approaching truth with clean hands and a pure heart. This represents eliminating bias and pride. If you remain proud, you are the only one that can be right. Are you sure you are?


Again it depends on your motive, one of the reasons why I search for knowledge is because as the Latin saying goes "knowledge is power," therefore secret knowledge is secret power, but not power as in to rule, but to guide myself towards the greater good. Very quickly I realised that there is no "right" or "wrong," it is just defined by society, which in itself isn't the "best" aspect to look up to. In my opinion, it just drags everyone down.



To do this, develop loving-kindness to others.


Not nescessarily, you can still be Illuminated by following what you would call "wrong," as I would call the "other" path. The negativity is there for a reason, to learn, develop and grow from it. Tame it and use it to your advantage, as it is just a "tool."



If you are reaching from within the material world, then you can only draw more of it in. It never fills you up.


We live in a world where we have to "play ball" according to the material world, therefore despising it just makes things worse and more confusing. I am not saying to become engrossed in the material world is good, it isn't, but we shouldn't supress it, but tame it and our desires, rather than letting it dictate our lives.

Two years ago, I visited a mosque to listen in on a speech for a while, as this speaker from abroad, is quite well known in the Muslim community. Although I arrived towards the last twenty minutes, the ending quote he gave was amazing. I can't remember his name.
"The material world is your shadow, you can never run away from it, it will always be behind you, yet if you were to turn around and chase after it, you will never overcome it."



Don't be biased against God unless you can claim to be above Him. Make the claim and you will find you are wrong.


I am not above God, as I am it.



Is God the Biblical God?


No.

-Naeem



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
Harming another being is wrong no matter which way you look at it... the problem is when people start saying things like "God condones murder" This is why i feel im here many times, to provide understanding to those that believe such foolishness.


I meant the Biblical God, not the real creator.



Regardless of what you read in the bible or anywhere that mentions God, he/she/it....never has a reason to harm another... that my friend is a fact


The Biblical God does though.



And no i wasn't having a "go" at you lol....theres a lot of versions of the bible, i was refering to whatever one you might read.


I would recommend pre King James versions and those with the original authors edited out.
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware

I know the message and i don't need any book to spread it.


Without the bible and/or words of other men....God is only God. God is what we don't understand. If someone states they can extract moral and ethical teaching from simply observing reality then please show us how to do so.
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Look within yourself my friend... You don't need a book to listen to your heart. Every person without exception understands whats right and what isn't. And don't bother with the quote " all mens hearts are wicked" people love to through that at me when i say this. Its true some don't have love in their heart, but this isn't the rule... there are exceptions. Your conscience guides you through out your life, wether you chose to listen is your issue and no one elses.

The bible is only a guide book, but you can inturpreate it in 1000 different ways if you want to. Christ gives you a firm base, his teachings are without flaw. If you can understand his words in the bible. Your work is finished with that book. I only read it because i find it facinating though i no longer need to read it to find my answers.

You say God is what we don't understand, but i understand God, and so do many. Seek out one that understands God, they will help you i promise




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Thank you my friend, im glad i could assist you in any way...




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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oh please


Your conscience guides you through out your life, wether you chose to listen is your issue and no one elses.


Tell that to someone who's ever made a mistake. Tell that to a killer. Morality is not objective. "Rights" and "Wrongs" are subjective from culture to culture, country to country and one time in history to another.

Stop with the pseudo spiritualist nonsense.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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oh please


Your conscience guides you through out your life, wether you chose to listen is your issue and no one elses.


Tell that to someone who's ever made a mistake. Tell that to a killer. Morality is not objective. "Rights" and "Wrongs" are subjective from culture to culture, country to country and one time in history to another.

Stop with the pseudo spiritualist nonsense.



Why would i stop, its completely true.... Did you not read when i said everyone without exception understands right from wrong? Those that murder do not have love in their heart... they're filled with hate, greed and selfishness. When they were born they to were innocent, its only through their life experiences that they chose the path they walk.

Do you really think telling me to stop will actually work? I know the truth my friend, i have no reason to preach anything less.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Everyone has their own truth, whether it be their own truth to a piece of music, or to a theatrical performance.

I'm interested in objective truths. Not vague spiritual philosophy, not "it's within you" and not "you know the right path" .

I understand that humans are empathetic, i understand that science has proved we undergo the same reactions in our brain when we see someone else undergo pain or humiliations etc. We are aware animals, that's what makes us unique from the rest but that doesn't imply some spooky myth.

Morality is subjective from culture to culture, despite that, not many cultures condone the act of killing each other - It wouldn't be a very progressive civilisation if it did. And just because all societies condemn killing doesn't imply that morality is objective.


Do you really think telling me to stop will actually work?


Worth a try. You give the impression that you are able to reveal wisdom beyond what is known by man - As if youre belief in a sky being, or "infinity" or "eternity" somehow makes you enlightened, or more open-minded than everyone.

I guess i seem hostile, i'm just jelous of your enlightenment to these special forces. At your ability to be able to determine any moral position by consulting the "spirit within"
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Worth a try. You give the impression that you are able to reveal wisdom beyond what is known by man - As if youre belief in a sky being, or "infinity" or "eternity" somehow makes you enlightened, or more open-minded than everyone.


Im no better or worse then you or anyone else my friend, i just have an understanding of things most people don't, but that doesn't make me any better then another man. If you obtain a phd in mathmatics, does that make that person better then another? Nope, it just means he understands something more so then others do.


I guess i seem hostile, i'm just jelous of your enlightenment to these special forces. At your ability to be able to determine any moral position by consulting the "spirit within"


My friend jelousy helps nothing. If you won't take my word for what i speak of, perhaps you might take the word of a man that knew God better then anyone else in history... All of what i say is truth, because it comes from one who was truth incarnate. I'll ask you this before you read.... DO you hear? Can you hear?

27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.



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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Im no better or worse then you or anyone else my friend, i just have an understanding of things most people don't, but that doesn't make me any better then another man


Well, when it's regarding the source of the universe and all creation, i'd say you're at least a pretty respectable and commendable guy, if you specialised to such a degree in "GOD".

Why do you think there's no PHD for a belief in God? Maybe the knowledge that you have, could be made into an academic subject?
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you


Love those Nazis.

Love the Westboro Baptist Church.

Love Stalin.

Love rapists.

If no one hated them, they'd get away with a lot more. If we love the Nazis, "god forbid" what would happen.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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Im no better or worse then you or anyone else my friend, i just have an understanding of things most people don't, but that doesn't make me any better then another man


Well, when it's regarding the source of the universe and all creation, i'd say you're at least a pretty respectable and commendable guy, if you specialised to such a degree in "GOD".

Why do you think there's no PHD for a belief in God? Maybe the knowledge that you have, could be made into an academic subject?
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Actually there is a PHD in biblical studies, though it doesn't mean you understand the true message. Everything i know i read myself, i need no one to preach to me. Never have never will...

I studied because i was like many on these forums, i didn't believe in God, i wanted answers...through study and meditation i've found everything i needed and more.

thank you for the compliment btw


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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware

27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you


Love those Nazis.

Love the Westboro Baptist Church.

Love Stalin.

Love rapists.

If no one hated them, they'd get away with a lot more. If we love the Nazis, "god forbid" what would happen.


Yes! Love them for their mistakes... for they know not what they do. Christ said this as they crucified him...again its completely true, and yes....very hard for many to hear




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Some people do not have a consciouses. Bias causes this corruption. Anyone with a heart of hate is biased toward their own pride. Pride places the 'self' of the person above others. Ultimately, this is a reflection of where they place themselves in relationship to God. If you harm another person, you are taking something that does not belong to you. Taking reward leads to suffering. Suffering work leads to reward. Smoke and you get cancer. Work and you get a paycheck. Take something from someone else and you only get what you take as a reward. Suffering leads to reward that does not end. Give and you get back over many lifetimes. You children's children will reap what you sow.

This is pure loving-kindness, as outlined by Christ. We know these things as a human family because of the Bible. Literacy came to masses from the printing press. The printing press came to the people by way of the errors of the church selling indulgences. Luther printed his thesis and nailed it to the door of the church and 70 million people fled Europe for religious freedom in America. The Bible, printed on the newly developed press, then brought literacy to humanity. Humanity peeks at the dawn of the industrial revolution and then declines as the Bible is removed from the people as the moral guide. And, here we are.

Freedom and morality owes its legacy to the Bible. Ultimately, mankind will owe its freedom from oppression and tyranny to the Bible. God did this, in spite of mans efforts to corrupt his work.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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oh please


Your conscience guides you through out your life, wether you chose to listen is your issue and no one elses.


Tell that to someone who's ever made a mistake. Tell that to a killer. Morality is not objective. "Rights" and "Wrongs" are subjective from culture to culture, country to country and one time in history to another.

Stop with the pseudo spiritualist nonsense.


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