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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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Well said my friend






posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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I think that it's obvious, from what I have read in the passages of sages of old, that it is possible to approach truth and meet Christ with nothing more than thought. The word of God is not literally the Bible as a book. The Bible is only a reflection of the true Word, which is Christ. The Bible is only the mirror that shines Christ to our intellect. I assume that many will meet Christ and never know who He is until they meet face to face. The Bible cannot allow you to meet Christ. You can only meet Him from a point of humility and choice. The Bible is the best mirror to see this clearly. It is the true reflection.

1 Corinthians 13

12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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Im no better or worse then you or anyone else my friend, i just have an understanding of things most people don't, but that doesn't make me any better then another man


Well, when it's regarding the source of the universe and all creation, i'd say you're at least a pretty respectable and commendable guy, if you specialised to such a degree in "GOD".

Why do you think there's no PHD for a belief in God? Maybe the knowledge that you have, could be made into an academic subject?
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Actually there is a PHD in biblical studies, though it doesn't mean you understand the true message. Everything i know i read myself, i need no one to preach to me. Never have never will...

I studied because i was like many on these forums, i didn't believe in God, i wanted answers...through study and meditation i've found everything i needed and more.

thank you for the compliment btw


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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by SuperiorEd
But were they living for others?


Whose "they?" Do you mean people like Jesus of Nazareth?



God knows us by our fruits. Actions are what God looks at, not necessarily words. Actions define our faith. So do words as a reflection of our actions. If our words don't match, we are duplicitous.


I can name one relgious stream, who have perfected this "art." We all know who they are.



Genesis 3 was the first choice of pride.


Nope. It was the choice for free will.



The fruit they ate represents a choice to be above God in actions. Get it? The fruit was the choice and the consequence.


Precisely, as you have free will your actions determine your consequences.



They sought knowledge when God would have taught them.


Whats wrong with that? Ah yes, religion tells use to have "blind faith" instead of logic and reasoning. The former which has brought most of the mess on this planet.



Either way, we are taught by the toil that God sentenced us to.


But in religion everything was decided by God before we were even created. Who will enter heaven or hell? What religion they believe in? When will they die? Everything. Therefore the Genesis "story," which is metaphorical, did happen they way God intented it to be.



Read the chapter. It's all there. God will teach, even if our pride and bias gets in the way.


"God forbid," I "pray" it's not the Biblical God.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by SuperiorEd
It is the only history book ever written to accurately construct a picture of history from the perspective of the complete fourth dimension. Past, Present, Future


I can write about the past, present and future accurately.



This is amazing, but consider what else it is, does, claims, produces, verifies.


Other "historical books" verifies it claims from sources where as the Bible has one source, God, which in itself isn't a source. I can just make up anything and say "it is word of God."



-No other book has ever done this and stood for 2000 years as accurate.


Nah, I, like many others would have a hard time believing that.



-No other book has ever claimed to be from the one true God and provided the evidence for the claim.


They are other books such as the Koran.



-No other book has ever been published in as many languages. 1700+ No other book has ever sold as many copies. Not even close.


Obviously, as 1/3 of the worlds population are Christian.



-It is the first book ever printed mechanically.


Yeah right.



-The only book that claims multiple authors, over thousands of years, pointing to one overall subject of describing the fourth dimension and how to escape it.


The only reason it has multiple authors is because the Bible is a series of books, written by different authors rolled into one. What is this "fourth dimension" you keep mentioning? And how to "escape it?" I can answer that one, it's through Christ isn't it? Tell me I'm right? Huh, you can only save yourself.



-No other book has ever been written where the first verses are mathematically descriptive of what is being described--reality.


Care to give an example?



Not only descriptive by what it says, but with the math hidden within the text lettering.


Thats for "them," not for "us."



No other book can tell you what will happen tomorrow on the news 2000 years before tomorrow,


Yes, they will just write up a new Bible, like they have been doing for the past 2000 years.



and then give you a reason it happened.


God did it, becuase you sinned.



My next question: How can you doubt?


Because of the number of contradictions.

-Naeem



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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The word of God is not literally the Bible as a book. The Bible is only a reflection of the true Word, which is Christ.


LOL



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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I think hes talking about this (the math)






posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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You asked for an example of the mathematics in the first verse of the Bible. If you miss God here, I really can't help you.

Genesis 1:1










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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Heh, i knew you were talking about that....

By any chance to you know a solid mathmatician that can prove those codes? You're a teacher so i wouldn't ask anyone else because i don't know anyone even close to qualified.




posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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If a theist is going to assert a divine nature of the bible (which usually includes infallibility) and claim that scientific facts can be found in this divine book then one would think that all facts found in the book should be scientifically correct. This is clearly untrure and casts a great deal of doubt on the veracity of the claim that the bible is divine in nature.


Also, if it was so divine, why not explain relativity? Or perhaps the maths is lost in translation?

Give it up, the bible is NOT scientific, and if it was, it certainly isn't demonstrably so.

That notion that the bible is scientific has long since been refuted. With the clever play of words, you can manipulate words in any novel as conveying a partiular scientific idea.



Here's a similar claim made by Islamic apologists. Easily refuted by a humble Atheist.

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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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The Quran is definitely worth reading. The Bible is not the only inspired book. God reveals himself on all seven continents. Truth is by degree, just like temperature. The Bible is at the top. God is higher by infinity. Anything else you want to read needs to be defined by these roots. The image they portray of truth can be smudged or dirty. Even the Bible has a few issues. The Torah does not. It stands alone by far form any other book. Christ is the true word to read in human form. You can improve your perspective simply by dropping the bias against any of the sources. Just define them all by truth found in the Bible.

For example, Rumi the Sufi tells us this little jewel:

“There is no God but God.” In
other words, Rumi asks, “What more is there to
say?” All the words here, all the stories and explanations are saying nothing more than this. There
is no more to reality than reality. God is. Reality
is. It is what it is. Explanations cannot explain it.
Words cannot reveal it.

Or this:

Rumi answered: Well, it was the thought of me
that brought you to my presence. This thought of
me did not speak with you saying, “How are
things with you?” The thought without words
drew you here. If the reality of me draws you
without words and transports you to another
place, what is so wonderful with words? Words
are the shadow of reality, a mere branch of reality.
Since the shadow draws, how much more the
reality!

But why does God need to express Himself in so many ways:

My Reality, now
through graciousness, now through severity.”
God is not the kind of king for whom one voice is
sufficient. If every atom in the world became
God’s herald, they would still be unable to properly proclaim His Truth.

You cannot know these things unless you look from a platform of humility and respect. God is everywhere you look. Only your own pride can blind you from this fact.

Rumi, by the way, was Islamic.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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If a theist is going to assert a divine nature of the bible (which usually includes infallibility) and claim that scientific facts can be found in this divine book then one would think that all facts found in the book should be scientifically correct. This is clearly untrure and casts a great deal of doubt on the veracity of the claim that the bible is divine in nature.


Also, if it was so divine, why not explain relativity? Or perhaps the maths is lost in translation?

Give it up, the bible is NOT scientific, and if it was, it certainly isn't demonstrably so.

That notion that the bible is scientific has long since been refuted. With the clever play of words, you can manipulate words in any novel as conveying a partiular scientific idea.



Here's a similar claim made by Islamic apologists. Easily refuted by a humble Atheist.

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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Look. I've been on this board talking to some of you in many posts. Salvation form the material world cannot come to you unless you do something profoundly simple:

Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

This cannot be accomplished apart from dropping the bias against two aspects of reality:

1. God
2. Man

This is it. Drop bias form who you are. If you do this, you cannot break the law. The law is null and void. The soul is free. Will you still make mistakes? yes. Will you gain salvation if you do not love your brother and God and show evidence of this? No In this case, you will be the ox pulling the cart in this life. The water body is for you.

Buddha (Dhammapada) God loves you enough to put it everywhere you are. Love is the answer. Love God, Love your brother. That's it.

1. Choices

We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with an impure mind
And trouble will follow you
As the wheel follows the ox that draws the cart.
We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with a pure mind
And happiness will follow you
As your shadow, unshakable.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Live with such thoughts and you live in hate.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Abandon such thoughts, and live in love.
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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I read all your post.

Was wondering if you might respond to my individual points.

I was also wondering why you might be promoting a proved unscientific document as a scientific document?

As if these illegitimate exuses for "science" concludes the "divinity" of the bible (or the Koran)

The Koran is an inspiring document?

It's quite evil, quite abhorrent. 80 percent of the Koran speaks ill of non-believers and in many cases condones and wages war on "Kufirs" (or non-believers)

You'll notice many militant or radicalised groups recite passes of the QuRan to support their deadly agendas. Really IS inspiring to some.

But heck, you've definetly done your reading and study - I find it incredibly revealing that you support such doctrines.


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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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You're spouting babbel from the bible. How do you think this is going to help you in a debate?

Teaching from the bible is abhorrent, and morally reprehensible. (Not all of it though)

Vicarious redemption. the scapegoating of sins - This was practiced by primitive tribes, they'd absolve the sins of the tribe by sending a animal in the wild to die. This is rediculous and should not be taught to children. It's clearly the superstitions of primitive thinking.

Nobody is responsible for your "sins" but yourself.

Metaphysical theories - Heaven and Hell - immoral preaching - As these concepts are unprovable, it is a universal bribe that plays on a person's greatest fear - Death. It plays on the fears and hopes by offering false promises and eternal threats.

Jesus also taught people to leave their families to follow him. That's immoral preaching.

These scriptures are foul, and it's sad that you support them and recite them when such suggestive minds are exploring these forums.

Religion and this babbel has created so much hysteria, so much hatred, division and war. Please stop these iditioc dogmatic beliefs people so we can unify as a civilisation and discover the unknown together, instead of apart.
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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Considering the topic of this thread is "Your questions on Christianity Answered" Don't you think quoting the bible would be appropreiate...

Or right i forgot, thats idiotic...





posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware

The word of God is not literally the Bible as a book. The Bible is only a reflection of the true Word, which is Christ.


LOL


1) Create a martyr from fiction (Harry Potter or "Neo")
2) Proclaim divinity and truth to such a person existing (in the past, or "within" all of us)
3) Polarize morality by declaring allegience to such a person as "good" and anything against it as "bad"
4) ????
5) Profit?

Good luck in your escapades.
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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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I was also wondering why you might be promoting a proved unscientific document as a scientific document?


You are speaking the truth. Science cannot describe God. Neither can I. The Bible, specifically the Torah, is the word of God to Moses and Israel. The rest is revelation and the new testament is for the Church. It is full of hidden layers that can only be seen with the mind through Gonosis. Gnosis comes from removing bias. This is love for God and love for your fellow traveler in this journey. This is the key. If you do not follow the message of Love for your brother, you are not with God. It's a judgment from the flaming sword of bias. This is a separation from the one true God. Science will not reveal God to you. Only Love can explain the universe. All indeterminate possibility is God at rest, Love.



As if these illegitimate exuses for "science" concludes the "divinity" of the bible (or the Koran) The Koran is an inspiring document?


Again, truth is perspective. It's knowing the missing point that draws the truth from the overall picture. Context.

The Quran is a judgment against the unbeliever. If you do not love your brother, who is the unbeliever? Can you love God and not your brother. Again, who is the unbeliever? Can you wage war against God in the name of God. If you kill your brother, you are waring against God. Who is the unbeliever in this picture? If you beat your wife, harm your children or reduce the dignity of your brother by forcing them to cover their beauty, who is the unbeliever. The unbeliever is the one who does not love his Brother. Issac and Ishmael are brothers.

The Quran and the Bible are both the holy books of the the Muslim religion. They are both inspired in their true message of what happens to the unbeliever. If you do not love your brother, you are not a believer in Love. God is love at rest. Peace.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by SuperiorEd
 


I read all your post.

Was wondering if you might respond to my individual points.

I was also wondering why you might be promoting a proved unscientific document as a scientific document?

As if these illegitimate exuses for "science" concludes the "divinity" of the bible (or the Koran)

The Koran is an inspiring document?

It's quite evil, quite abhorrent. 80 percent of the Koran speaks ill of non-believers and in many cases condones and wages war on "Kufirs" (or non-believers)

You'll notice many militant or radicalised groups recite passes of the QuRan to support their deadly agendas. Really IS inspiring to some.

But heck, you've definetly done your reading and study - I find it incredibly revealing that you support such doctrines.


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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Let me explain what I just said. The Moslem's who are waring against their brother Israel are not believers in Love. It is that simple. God is love and you cannot kill your brother and be the image of God's love. The Quran is the document that condemns the unbeliever. If the shoe fits, you will wear it. By unbeliever, I am not referring to a belief in Christ. This is your personal faith. If you harm your brother, you are condemned within the pages of the Quran. Issac (Israel) is the brother to Ishmael (Arabs). God has drawn the line and they will destroy themselves in their unbelief. God is their father. They both say that God is their father.

Where do Christians fit into this picture. We are believers if we love God and love our brother. The Quran is of no significance to me other than a testimony of what happens when you do not love your brother.



Originally posted by SuperiorEd


I was also wondering why you might be promoting a proved unscientific document as a scientific document?


You are speaking the truth. Science cannot describe God. Neither can I. The Bible, specifically the Torah, is the word of God to Moses and Israel. The rest is revelation and the new testament is for the Church. It is full of hidden layers that can only be seen with the mind through Gonosis. Gnosis comes from removing bias. This is love for God and love for your fellow traveler in this journey. This is the key. If you do not follow the message of Love for your brother, you are not with God. It's a judgment from the flaming sword of bias. This is a separation from the one true God. Science will not reveal God to you. Only Love can explain the universe. All indeterminate possibility is God at rest, Love.



As if these illegitimate exuses for "science" concludes the "divinity" of the bible (or the Koran) The Koran is an inspiring document?


Again, truth is perspective. It's knowing the missing point that draws the truth from the overall picture. Context.

The Quran is a judgment against the unbeliever. If you do not love your brother, who is the unbeliever? Can you love God and not your brother. Again, who is the unbeliever? Can you wage war against God in the name of God. If you kill your brother, you are waring against God. Who is the unbeliever in this picture? If you beat your wife, harm your children or reduce the dignity of your brother by forcing them to cover their beauty, who is the unbeliever. The unbeliever is the one who does not love his Brother. Issac and Ishmael are brothers.

The Quran and the Bible are both the holy books of the the Muslim religion. They are both inspired in their true message of what happens to the unbeliever. If you do not love your brother, you are not a believer in Love. God is love at rest. Peace.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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I read all your post.

Was wondering if you might respond to my individual points.

I was also wondering why you might be promoting a proved unscientific document as a scientific document?

As if these illegitimate exuses for "science" concludes the "divinity" of the bible (or the Koran)

The Koran is an inspiring document?

It's quite evil, quite abhorrent. 80 percent of the Koran speaks ill of non-believers and in many cases condones and wages war on "Kufirs" (or non-believers)

You'll notice many militant or radicalised groups recite passes of the QuRan to support their deadly agendas. Really IS inspiring to some.

But heck, you've definetly done your reading and study - I find it incredibly revealing that you support such doctrines.


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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Freedom requires the ability to freely express ideas and perspectives. This is hardly doing a harm to anyone. If you are against freedom of religion, speech and expression, then you are with an ideology that is not part of the country I live in. Are you from America? It is this ideology of America being a market place of ideas that has made us great. The ideology of control and a lack of justice is what is dragging us down as a nation.

Christ's message was love for neighbors and freedom to love God. Nothing more. The Torah was the message to the Hebrews in another day and age that we cannot understand by our modern perspectives. The Quran is a book that condemns its own believers because of their hate. I have the freedom to discuss and to express this in my own unique perspective, free from fear.

If you want to challenge me on this freedom, you are welcome, but you will not convince anyone you stand for truth and justice. You would only be condemning the very bias you are focusing toward religion. People kill because of hate, not because of religious expression.

An important part of our democracy includes the concepts of free discourse and freedom of expression. These two ideas are inexorably tied to our framework of what it means to be an educated citizen. Free access to thought is what defines us as individuals living in a free land. Limiting this access can only weaken our greatest strength.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

"The ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas...that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.”

Love is the only thing that will unify our civilization.



Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by SuperiorEd
 


You're spouting babbel from the bible. How do you think this is going to help you in a debate?

Teaching from the bible is abhorrent, and morally reprehensible. (Not all of it though)

Vicarious redemption. the scapegoating of sins - This was practiced by primitive tribes, they'd absolve the sins of the tribe by sending a animal in the wild to die. This is rediculous and should not be taught to children. It's clearly the superstitions of primitive thinking.

Nobody is responsible for your "sins" but yourself.

Metaphysical theories - Heaven and Hell - immoral preaching - As these concepts are unprovable, it is a universal bribe that plays on a person's greatest fear - Death. It plays on the fears and hopes by offering false promises and eternal threats.

Jesus also taught people to leave their families to follow him. That's immoral preaching.

These scriptures are foul, and it's sad that you support them and recite them when such suggestive minds are exploring these forums.

Religion and this babbel has created so much hysteria, so much hatred, division and war. Please stop these iditioc dogmatic beliefs people so we can unify as a civilisation and discover the unknown together, instead of apart.
edit on 26/4/11 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)

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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
It's quite evil, quite abhorrent. 80 percent of the Koran speaks ill of non-believers and in many cases condones and wages war on "Kufirs" (or non-believers)


That's not completely true. The "act like friends" verses refer to the Muslims back then, when they were being persecuted and killed in the streets. It does not pertain to Muslims today. Same thing with killing "infidels."



You'll notice many militant or radicalised groups recite passes of the QuRan to support their deadly agendas. Really IS inspiring to some.


Yes, because these bad apples take verses, which were meant for Muslims 1400 years ago, and think and act upon it today, as though it refers to them.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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A fundamental Islamist believes in ALL of the QuRan, they believe it's lack of editing or reform stands in favour of it's divinity and accuracy.

It's a deadly cult. Whether Muslims claim to be "moderate" or not, the original doctrine is not "moderate" and they still preach the original doctrine to this date.

Are they extreme because they are extreme? Or is it because the doctrine they swear allegiance too is extreme?

Same goes with the Evangelicals in America (Westboro Baptist Church) And you may think "those are just fools giving religion a bad name" - Well the fact is, they believe every word. At least they are consistant with their own religion.



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