A new word in today's politics., page 1
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Topic started on 16-4-2011 @ 10:26 AM by InTrueFiction
Lets start with two words we have - Democracy and Economy.

Democracy:
- from Demos, the people.
- from Kratos, the rule.

That was how the word "democracy" came to be - basically it means that the people rule.

Now lets look at the word "Economy".

-from Oikos - the house.
- from Nomos - the managing.

I will now digress from etimology for a second...

These past days Portugal's government fell and is now under the jurisdiction of the International Monetary Fund. How did the government fall? No one really knows... There was no revolution, there were no riots, there was no vote... Libia got a lot of attention - the portuguese government fell for no reason in the meantime , no one cares though. It just fell. Openned the doors for us to be ruled by the IMF, though.

The New York Times pointed the finger at IMF's move describing it as a lie. In their words the IMF pressured a nation's elected government to fall even though in no way was Portugal in a position that they would need to hand over their rule to them. Still the pressure was made and our government fell - our President refuses to talk about it literally... (no really - literaly in the very true sense of the word) ... he tells people to check his facebook account for news. A President that only talks to those that have a facebook account... sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

For the first time a western nation fell from the pressure of market ratings into the very control of the very same institution that issued those market ratings.

I understand that it is easier to look at countries whose sovereignty is falling to armies. But that is outdated. Private corporations will rule you and they wont need any army - they will use your own army and your own rules and your own governments, they bought them a long time ago.

I am not a nationalist or an activist - I care for myself and those that depend on me and try my best to provide a good future for them. That is all I care for and all I want to accomplish. As for the flag? That cloth that waves in the wind (no matter where you are there's a cloth waving in the wind regardless of the colours in it)... it means nothing to me and means nothing to anyone's future.


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Now past my rant and back to etimology...

Nomos... the management.
Kratos... the rule.

I name these times we're living in as Nomocracy - the managing of power. The people have no hand in it anymore.

The management rules.

Portugal is the oldest border in the world - for 8 centuries our border has stood firm. Ironic how we fell now.


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 10:56 AM by Praetorius
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I feel your pain here and like what you've come up with, but no new terms are needed - we've already got kleptocracy and oligarchy:
Kleptocracy:
–noun, plural ‐cies. a government or state in which those in power exploit national resources and steal; rule by a thief or thieves. Origin: 1815–20; klepto- (combining form of Greek kléptēs thief) + -cracy


Oligarchy:
–noun, plural -chies. 1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few. 2. a state or organization so ruled. 3. the persons or class so ruling.




reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 11:03 AM by InTrueFiction
Originally posted by Praetorius
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post by InTrueFiction



I feel your pain here and like what you've come up with, but no new terms are needed - we've already got kleptocracy and oligarchy:
Kleptocracy:
–noun, plural ‐cies. a government or state in which those in power exploit national resources and steal; rule by a thief or thieves. Origin: 1815–20; klepto- (combining form of Greek kléptēs thief) + -cracy


Oligarchy:
–noun, plural -chies. 1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few. 2. a state or organization so ruled. 3. the persons or class so ruling.


I don't think those terms apply though because in this case it isn't about a governments corruption - a foreign private institution pressured a government to fall and took over its judicial and economical powers. It is not in my idea any form of government that is described in the concepts you presented..


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 11:15 AM by Praetorius
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I look at it as a form of oligarchy and kleptocracy on a super-national scale, since the globalists who aren't limited to a certain nation have actually been pulling the strings for years and are closely tied into the IMF and other super-governmental organizations. These filter down to the national level, but the real global governance isn't bound to any one area - there's a world-wide agenda here.

Oh well, though....all hail the nomocracy!


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 11:19 AM by InTrueFiction
Originally posted by Praetorius
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I look at it as a form of oligarchy and kleptocracy on a super-national scale, since the globalists who aren't limited to a certain nation have actually been pulling the strings for years and are closely tied into the IMF and other super-governmental organizations. These filter down to the national level, but the real global governance isn't bound to any one area - there's a world-wide agenda here.

Oh well, though....all hail the nomocracy!


I agree with you completely. We can discuss different names for what is now taking place but what really matters are the consequences of it.


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 11:40 AM by lonegurkha
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Very well said. As I am not much of a gamer anymore I had not heard of this series of games. I will investigate further,thanks. I wish I could remember the name of that book, but that was at least 30 years ago I read it and the memory dims with age.

They can only really own anything if we the people let them. They think that they own things, but without our belief that they own them or a governments cooperation they really own nothing.

Just as, if the fiat currency is no longer believed in by the people, the system that created it in the first place will collapse . It's all a confidence game and will end some day.


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 12:24 PM by kwakakev
reply to post by InTrueFiction



I did read in the EU constitution that the EU body can do this. The constitution reads more like a corporation than a democracy - corporatocracy, where decisions are based on executive bonuses. National governments are at best a news poll with a lot of power in unelected officials that are out of the public spot light. I have not seen any news articles that mention that the government has been kicked out, do you have any links?


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 01:17 PM by kwakakev
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I was just interested in more information about this event. It is painted in the media that the prime minister resigned as he got feed up with the blocks from the opposition. I am sure there is a lot more to it and good to get a view from someone who lives their. Hope it goes well for you.


reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 01:50 PM by InTrueFiction
Originally posted by kwakakev
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I was just interested in more information about this event. It is painted in the media that the prime minister resigned as he got feed up with the blocks from the opposition. I am sure there is a lot more to it and good to get a view from someone who lives their. Hope it goes well for you.


Just information - like him or not - I personally do not, but on this issue he really tried his best to reject what has just happened. He proposed an alternative to the IMF - every other party rejected it. The extreme right, the communists, the moderate right, the moderate left... every other party wanted the IMF - whether right or left, whether extreme right or extreme left think about it.

EDIT: I in my life had never seen the communist party voting alongside with the extreme right.
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reply posted on 16-4-2011 @ 02:34 PM by starless and bible black
reply to post by lonegurkha



If you wish to see a cliffnote version of the future, especially in regard to corporate wars, view Jewison's masterpiece 'Rollerball'.

"I remember the corporate wars...they were NASTY, ew. Ah, well nobody talks about them anymore.... Chicago's still a food city...."

It is well underway. You are a criminal if you are off grid, or think about going that way. By virtue of butthole surfing our 'elected representatives', corporations have seized control of all aspects of government. We see the symptoms, finally, when we wind up walking nude, by choice, through chertoff's cash cow-turnstyle, or we see it when cops start reading our iphones. A new, radioactive ecosystem will provide the corporations and tptw with many more opportunities for abusive power tosses. Inside, I am screaming.

It is time for the sovereigns and the sovereign communities to cripple the authorities. Now we are fighting cancer, and look what the corporations are filing through our Legislative Branch. Mark Kirk is a traitor to America, an arch rat. See what this man stands for. He has not forgotten about Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. He has declared WAR ON them. What was he THINKING? (sorry about caps)

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