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We, too, had noticed the color photograph appearing to be a "different" diffused "blob" from the original diffused "blob" released at the time of
"discovery" - but just let it go as the pics were just so much junk/disinfo at the moment and the photos didn't show the trailing moons and debris
(oops-that's another thread).
Please allow us to add relevant information to this, your very fine thread. We only got as far as the first link you provided to take issue with the
information presented as "fact" in the Discovery News
This from Discovery News
22 March 2011.
A dizzying collection of doomsday predictions have been linked to comet Elenin. The hysteria was inevitable as anxiety grows over the approach of 2012
-- that is supposedly a [color=limegreen]game-changing year for life on Earth. At least according to some interpretations of the ancient Mayan
[color=limegreen]If you believe the gobbledygook on numerous websites and YouTube videos, this is a "renegade comet"
that just couldn't wait for 2012 to mess with the Earth.
Though it's now over twice as far away from Earth than the sun is, comet Elenin has already been blamed for
[color=limegreen]triggering earthquakes and [color=limegreen]shifting Earth's rotation axis. The comet has also been accused of
[color=limegreen]melting ice on Mars and stirring up a [color=limegreen]storm on Saturn. It's predicted to [color=limegreen]flip
Earth's magnetic field.
We, for one, would like to see the individual sources and links to back up those statements.
It just gets better.
And that's just the beginning. [color=limegreen]There are numerous "Cometgate" [color=limegreen] allegations of news
media and government cover-up, and the existence of hidden comet shelters for U.S. officials.
Somehow, this of which he speaks sounds vaguely familiar...how about this? "Cometgate...!!! Elinin+2005 YU55+Nibiru = A Major Concern
for Humankind: Triple Threat From Space."
posted 27-2 2011 here on ATS. We do believe that we were first to coin and use the term,
almost a month before this article appeared in Discovery News
It continually appears that many writers from various diverse media participate at some level on ATS, and "borrow" stuff without due credit. Cases in
point: Phage with his fine thread, Dodging a Solar Bullet
and Hoaxkiller1 on the Jerusalem/Dome UFO Hoax
both of which had content used
in a foreign publication without links or credit. There are probably more that simply are not noticed. And "Cometgate" is a good point, also.
...Nowadays, wherever one goes, there is a general uneasyness and hushed talk of the great government conspiracy of all government conspiracies
unfolding. Could it be even remotely true that the "Trinity of Doom" has been in plain sight all this time? It has become the water-cooler
conversation du jour and people are beginning to connect the dots after getting their attention focused by the skyrocketing costs of everything -
Nothing focuses the attention more quickly than the unbearable thought of not being able to provide for your family. When it becomes obvious that no
matter how hard you work, the man always figures out a way to screw you out of more, it becomes a societal problem. IMHO, the economic crisis is but a
cruel subterfuge and damn it, how much more shattered crystal do we have to put up with? Another interesting movie, State of Siege. Just saying.
What with shows like Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory, it is easier for people to [color=limegreen]question authority and come to the
realization that world governments are not only aware of [color=limegreen]impending life changing (or ending) events, similarly to the alien
disclosure topic, but want to [color=limegreen]prevent world panic while also preparing earth-fleeing arks and, in some other cases,
[color=limegreen]massive underground bunkers for more of the chosen few that were left out of the initial "lottery" and therefore unable to
leave the planet.
The timing of the MESSENGER spacecraft's deceleration in orbit around Mercury last week is also suspect because our innermost planet supposedly
"aligns" with the comet's position this month.
Another interesting item may be this.
The first graphic is from the same story in Discovery News
22 March 2011. Note the distances from the Sun and Earth.
Now, this is the information from JPL's Small Body Database Browser today, 16 April 2011.
A question might be: Why is there over a million kilometer discrepancy in a period of three weeks?
0.234 vs. 0.242 = a difference of 0.008 AU = 1,196,783 km = 743,646 miles = 3.11 LD.
Yes, it could possibly be due to the fact that the information in the JPL Small Body Database Browser was updated 15 April 2011 (just yesterday).
OK, so that would indicate that the previous projections that everyone was hanging their hat on and basing all sorts of "miss" scenarios was based on
incorrect NASA data which was off by a mere three-quarters (3/4) of a million miles... that's 3.11 LD (Lunar Distance).
Will these figures change as the object draws nearer?
Will the presence of additional incoming "visitors" in September-October-November be made public in the next 60 days?
Does anyone have the previous solution date and the relevant distances from C/2010 X1? We just want to check if this is where the article's data came
This is the same NASA that guarantees that an object that they are presently tracking will pass between the Earth and Moon at a miss-Earth distance of
about 18,000 miles - inside the orbits of many of the 13,000+ satellites (that we know of) and whiz off into space with no damage whatsoever to Earth
... somehow, one might question this smug attitude, based upon previous performance.
Asteroid Apophis will get to within 0.1 AU of Earth in January of the year 2013. In late 2012 and early 2013, Apophis will
be observable using both optical and radar equipment. That will be a very exciting time for astronomers, and for the rest of us! Apophis is expected
to be visible to the eye alone in the night skies of Europe, Africa, and western Asia, a first for an asteroid in recorded history (as far as we
Yeomans said: "In fact it will get beneath the geosynchronous satellites (which are 22,000 miles up), the same satellites that
are probably used to beam your radio signals to your listeners. So that's kind of exciting. But it won't hit the Earth."
This is the same NASA that announced that the 3rd closest near-miss in recorded history - 2009 VA
- 6 November 2009 - which was discovered a
mere 15 hours before potential impact!
Let's look at this event just for grins.
This asteroid was about 23 feet (7 meters) in diameter, with a 6 kiloton of TNT equivalent, and missed the Earth by about 8,700 miles (14,000)
Interesting. According to NASA, their tracking devices "are able to track anything as small as a golf ball" and are doing so with the "space junk."
So, how did they miss an object 23 feet (7 meters) in diameter?
This is a question that deserves attention, IMHO. Both cannot be true - unless this is another example of Newspeak
and we're to "move along -
nothing to see here..."
What if it had hit Earth?
Here is "What if?" for this small asteroid hitting Sedimentary Rock at a distance of 10 miles distance from point of impact. Earth Impacts Effects
Program link here.
Earth Impact Effects Program
Please note: the results below are estimates based on current (limited) understanding of the impact process and come with large uncertainties; they
should be used with caution, particularly in the case of peculiar input parameters. All values are given to three significant figures but this does
not reflect the precision of the estimate. For more information about the uncertainty associated with our calculations and a full discussion of this
program, please refer to this article.
Distance from Impact: 16.10 km ( = 10.00 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.01 meters ( = 23.00 feet )
Projectile Density: 3000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 10.30 km per second ( = 6.40 miles per second )
Impact Angle: 27 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock
Energy before atmospheric entry: 2.87 x 1013 Joules = 0.69 x 10-2 MegaTons TNT
The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth is 3.7 years
Major Global Changes:
The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
The impact does not make a noticeable change in the tilt of Earth's axis (< 5 hundreths of a degree).
The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.
The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 46000 meters = 151000 ft
The projectile bursts into a cloud of fragments at an altitude of 35300 meters = 116000 ft
The residual velocity of the projectile fragments after the burst is 8.25 km/s = 5.12 miles/s
The energy of the airburst is 1.03 x 1013 Joules = 0.25 x 10-2 MegaTons.
No crater is formed, although large fragments may strike the surface.
The air blast will arrive approximately 1.96 minutes after impact.
Peak Overpressure: 1.02 Pa = 0 bars = 0.000144 psi
Max wind velocity: 0.0024 m/s = 0.00536 mph
Sound Intensity: 0 dB (Barely Audible)
What is the air blast?
The energy due to the impact causes a distortion in the air. This distortion travels in the form of a wave. If the energy of the impact is very high,
the wave may initially be a shock wave, travelling at a velocity greater than the speed of sound in air. The wave eventually decays into a sound wave
travelling at 300 m/s (671 mph).
Peak overpressure is a measure of how much the pressure in the blast wave exceeds the atmospheric pressure of 10 5 Pa (1 bar). The air blast caused by
the impact can cause a great deal of damage.
The damage due to the air blast may include the following:
Multistory wall-bearing buildings will collapse.
Multistory wall-bearing buildings will experience severe cracking and interior partitions will be blown down.
Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.
Interior partitions of wood frame buildings will be blown down. Roof will be severely damaged.
Multistory steel-framed office-type buildings will suffer extreme frame distortion, incipient collapse.
Highway truss bridges will collapse.
Highway truss bridges will suffer substantial distortion of bracing.
Highway girder bridges will collapse.
Cars and trucks will be largely displaced and grossly distorted and will require rebuilding before use.
Cars and trucks will be overturned and displaced, requiring major repairs.
Glass windows will shatter.
About 30 percent of trees blown down; remainder have some branches and leaves blown off.
Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.
Of course, this is the same NASA that reports "near miss" asteroids to Earth three days after the asteroid passes by the Earth.
This is the same NASA that has up-to-date orbit diagrams for asteroids that impacted Earth months ago - and, theoretically, would not have current
This is the same NASA that has different names for the same object - with different orbit diagrams and specifically pinpointing them at different
places in the sky.
This is the same NASA that doctors photos and, well, ... you get the point.
(Step up here, Dave Morrison or Donald Yeomans - defend your "honor!" How about an old-fashioned one-on-one?)
In Peace & Light
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