Scientific falsehoods in the Bible, page 7
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reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 03:19 PM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh



Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Literary convention?



This is not an English class.


...point of view is a literary convention. If you're going to laugh because someone used an accurate term to describe that which you are clearly ignorant of...well, I don't know if we can actually have a legitimate conversation.


All I am saying is that the account was written as if one is standing on the Earth watching it happen.


Except that it doesn't. It just gives a general omniscience account of things. If you can show me a single instance of a line which demonstrates that this is given as a POV, I'll agree with you.



In the beginning, God created the heaven's and the earth.


heaven and the earth. Singular.


Wrong again.

הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם is the word. it is plural. Shamayim.

-im- denotes plurality.



I'm sorry, but could you back up that all instances in the Hebrew language where "im" is used denotes plurality? And would it being plural even be relevant? The heavens just would relate to a space, not to its contents. The Sun is clearly created on the fourth day.



and I am not going to go on.

I have given you more than enough evidence. It is quite clear that you will refuse what has been shown to you.


So you address a single point and then when you simply decide to lob some accusations at me. Nice job.

You don't have a good argument against my basic premise: The Bible is not a source of scientific information.


You only wish to cause strife and discord.


See, baseless accusation! I'm not here to cause strife and discord, I'm here to show people that the Bible is not a source of scientific information.


reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 05:52 PM by Lemon.Fresh
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

. . .

I'm sorry, but could you back up that all instances in the Hebrew language where "im" is used denotes plurality?



That is exactly what I am talking about.

You have no knowledge of what you are talking about on just this one section, yet you want us to believe that everything you stated is fact, which it is not. It is based on your misunderstanding of the Hebrew language, culture, and general way of life.

--Most of the suffixes for plural words in masculine will be “im” – sounds like “eem.”

Link


From wiki:

In Hebrew the ending -im, mainly indicates a masculine plural



Compare with Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 51:13, and Jeremiah 10:12.

Sanskrit word for sky or heaven is svah, which turns nicely into the Semitic Svam or sham . . . and the im makes it plural.

Therefore, skies or heavens.



Edit: And yes, I am going to prove one point and leave, because it is obvious that you do not want the truth. How much more clear can I get?


By the way. You can have the last word, because I have proven my point.

Bye.
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reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 06:21 PM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh



Wow, I learned something new...and it still doesn't change the fact that "heavens" in the context of the Genesis passage (see, I admitted I was wrong because I actually care about conforming my beliefs to evidence)

And the reason I asked was to be facetious. Why? Because you huffed off and I wanted to prove a point. I did bother to research your claim before you I asked you to verify it just so I could bother to point out that I will change my mind if provided with sufficient evidence (though I would have gone with something other than a wiki).

I'm interested in conforming my beliefs to evidence. The Bible? Clearly not a book to gain knowledge of scientific realities. Now, I'm not saying this disproves the Bible, it merely invalidates the claims that the Bible can be used as a means to get knowledge about the material world.

Edit: And yes, I am going to prove one point and leave, because it is obvious that you do not want the truth. How much more clear can I get?


You could become a window. Yes, I made a stupid joke, because you're being stupid.


By the way. You can have the last word, because I have proven my point.


That I was wrong on the plurality of a single word. Wow. Big win right there. I admitted I was wrong, but you still have dozens of points where I've clearly shown the Bible is not a source of scientific knowledge.



reply posted on 22-4-2011 @ 08:15 AM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by SorensDespair



It's not really a 'petty point' when there are people who are actively trying to change the science education in the Western world to fit with the ignorant observations of the bronze and iron age people who wrote the Bible. I'm trying to stem a tide that is sadly rising.


reply posted on 22-4-2011 @ 08:43 AM by metamagic
reply to post by kove400



Thank you for a great chuckle on Good Friday. Kent Hovind clearing things us? I haven't laughed that hard in a good while. Nice to see some satire to lighten things up.


reply posted on 31-3-2012 @ 05:16 PM by 1pi314
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to
post by madnessinmysoul



They'll come in and tell you, oh well the examples you cited aren't meant to be taken literally. See, because we aren't believers, we don't know which passages are literal, and which are figurative. We don't know the special code that always makes the bible right.



Exactly, it's doublethink. Only believe things when it's convenient to, not when it is not. This is what makes it so hard to apply logic to the bible.



reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 05:24 AM by nii900
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Originally posted by OnceReturned
reply to post by madnessinmysoul



What's the point of this?

Is it for the people who take the Bible to be literal truth? You suppose that they will change their mind after hearing what you have to say?

Almost no one takes the Bible literally anymore. . . and if they've gotten to the point that they are using the internet and still think the Earth is five thousand years old and all life was saved by a 600 year old drunk who built a ship and put 2 of every creature on board. . . they're not going to read this and say, "oh, well then, I guess I've been mistaken..."

Isn't it just to be a troll?

I don't think the Bible is an accurate historical document, I don't even believe in God. I think it's just as irrational to troll for religious people that you can provoke on the internet as it is to take unproven sacred texts as literal historical records.

I hope you really answer my question, though - what is the point of this thread?
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" Confused by thoughts,
we experience duality in life.
Unencumbered by ideas,
the enlightened see the one Reality."

- Hui - Neng



Maybe there is a question ..like ..Why Bible and ONLY Bible

> Is the Bible the Only Book I Need?<

Then....

Think... TIME ...Think... Book Think .'boat .managing
.see...'What wasn’t so easy was managing time.'


..and then ask yourself



> Time – can you ever really ‘manage’ it? <



so see it as a heavy task to do as spiritual ly comput ai ng
like to switch from one book to the other without changing 'em isnt so easy
that's why there're entities responsibly responsible in doing it
fer all and one
i mean that managing of your time and all for your sake
to keep you going on..and on ..and so on.. , i
believe


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reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 08:57 PM by iterationzero
reply to post by The Old American


If the Christian bible was a scientific textbook, this post wouldn't be complete rubbish. But since the bible isn't one...

Agreed. Now if we could only get some Christians to stop treating it as such...
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