I find it interesting that you neglected to address any of my points in the original thread, especially about the very scientific heartmath stuff but
you felt it necessary to start a new thread on these points.
As I state below, I am not a Christian and have no desire to argue for the rightness of the Bible.
So the funny thing about this list is that you are using a literal interpretation of the Bible to argue against someone else's literal interpretation
of the bible. Understand also that I am not a Christian arguing for the “rightness” of the Bible. I have no investment in proving the Bible
accurate but I call them like I see them
Plants existed before the Sun and Moon (Genesis 1:11-16)
The Earth is created before the Sun (Genesis 1)
The Sun and Moon are set in a physical firmament above the Earth (Genesis 1:16-17)
See my images earlier in the thread regarding a sacred geometry interpretation of Genesis. When understood as a metaphorical description of that
process it makes a lot more sense. Please go through those images where I specifically address the seed and fruit issue. Likewise heavens and earth
are meant to represent the divisions, not necessarily literal earth. All of the above verses are understood through sacred geometry and not to be
taken in a literal sense.
The Moon is a/produces light (Genesis 1:16, Isaiah 13:10)
Actually what was said was a greater light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night. It doesn't matter that the moon is reflective, it is
still a lesser light. And Isaiah says “The sun will be darkened ...and the moon will not cause it's light to shine,” which would of course happen
if the sun were darkened. Show me a child alive today, who prior to learning that the Moon is a reflector does not believe that the moon produces it's
Global flood (Genesis..mentioned several other times in later books)
Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement
at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in
Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales,
Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.
These flood tales are frequently linked by common elements that parallel the Biblical account including the warning of the coming flood, the
construction of a boat in advance, the storage of animals, the inclusion of family, and the release of birds to determine if the water level had
subsided. The overwhelming consistency among flood legends found in distant parts of the globe indicates they were derived from the same origin (the
Bible's record), but oral transcription has changed the details through time.
Perhaps the second most important historical account of a global flood can be found in a Babylonian flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. When the
Biblical and Babylonian accounts are compared, a number of outstanding similarities are found that leave no doubt these stories are rooted in the same
event or oral tradition.
It is generally accepted that the Gilgamesh story was the prototype for the Biblical flood story. While this site states that the Bible was the origin
for these flood stories, which I don't agree with, it is obvious that cultures around the world had a similar experience.
From the web page Flood legends around the world
Humanity at a time of civilization which would have enabled large scale construction projects shared a single language (Genesis 11) Diverse
language happened instantly rather than gradually (Genesis 11)
This thread has an interesting take on things. It is not the first time that I have heard about this in relation to telepathy and ET intervention.
The Hebrew population in Egypt somehow goes from dozens to millions in a few hundred years. (Exodus)
Hares and coneys are ruminants (Leviticus 11:5-6)
Ostriches are apparently entirely inattentive parents (Job 39:13-16)
No arguments and no desire to contend this information.
God's cure for lepers (Leviticus 14:2-52)
Sounds a little loopy but no different than some alchemical practices, which have been found to be sound.
Snakebites are cured by a brass serpent on a pole (Numbers 21:8)
Not just snakes but “fiery serpents.” Here is where I slip into my own suppositions but I have long contended that some of this kind of thing,
along with the Nefilim, Elohim, and Son's of God marrying the daughters of men stuff was really about a time when ET's walked openly on the earth and
were venerated as Gods. Perhaps the fiery serpents were among these and the brass serpent on a pole was advanced tech, much like the Pyramids are
thought to be (as opposed to burial chambers.)
Giants (way too many passages Numbers, Deuteronomy, 2 Samuel, Amos)
Dragons (Deuteronomy 32:33, Psalms 148:7)
Lots of fantastical creatures used to exist including satyrs, cockatrices, fiery flying serpents, etc (Isaiah)
There have been skeletons of giants found at archaeological digs (though in this age of photoshop...) There have been artistic representations of
giants found. See my comments above about Ets
The Sun apparently moves and can be made to stand still so that people can sneak attack others at night (Joshua 10:12-13)
Either the Earth stopped rotating and moved backward a bit or the Sun moved backward on its own...well, we know what the Bible says about the
relationship between the two. (2 Kings 20:11)
This was also preceded by hailstones. Perhaps the attacks were timed at this point rather than being made to happen for the attack. Like the flood
stories, many cultures around the world have stories of the sun standing still, which is precisely what would happen during a pole shift. There are
also cultural legends of a point in antiquity when the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Which would be the same phenomenon. Graham Hancock
talks about this in several of his books as well
The Spanish savant who came to America a generation Columbus and gathered the traditions of the natives, wrote that at the time of one cosmic
catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving: the moon also stood still. (22).
The Andeans record a myth-story that the sun stayed away for twenty hours. This event is said to have occurred under the reign of Yupanqui Pachacuti
II, the fifteenth ruler of the old time.
In the Mexican 'Annals of Cuauhtitlan' or 'Codex Chimpalpopoca' - the history of the empire in Culhuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian in the
sixteenth century - it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for an extended period of
And from Asia - The canons of the Chinese emperor. (2,400 BC ?) - 'In the lifetime of Yao, the sun did not set for ten full days and the entire land
was flooded (by an immense wave), that reached the sky'.
It is important to recognise that all these stories were recorded from different locations on earth. On one side of the Earth people record that the
Sun stayed in the sky, while on the other side, the stores are that the Sun stayed away.
The Earth has pillars...I guess instead of being hung it's placed.(1 Samuel 2:8, Job 9:6,26:11,38:4-6...actually, a lot of places)
The Earth doesn't move.(1 Chronicles 16:30, Job 38:4-6, Psalms 93:1, 96:10...and a lot of other places where it mentions that the Earth is set on
Again, like the sacred geometry think in terms of esoteric metaphor
People think in their heart (Esther 6:6, Isaiah 10:7)
The heart and brain maintain a continuous two-way dialogue, each influencing the other's functioning. The signals the heart sends to the brain can
influence perception, emotional processing and higher cognitive functions. This system and circuitry is viewed by neurocardiology researchers as a
Their studies using HeartMath techniques and technology have been published in many peer reviewed journals including; The American Journal of
Cardiology, Harvard Business Review and Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. Additional studies are currently taking place in many
institutions such as Mayo Clinic, Arizona State University, University of Northampton, Northampton, England and VA Palo Alto Health Care
Heartmath's research, published in many peer reviewed journals with studies going on at ASU and Mayo Clinic has found that we do “think with our
heart” It could also be a metaphorical for being guided by our emotions.
Here's another quote on it:
With his revolutionary research the University of Montreal’s pioneer neurocardiologist Dr. J. Andrew Armour first introduced the concept of a
functional heart brain in the 1990’s. This brain in the heart – just as the brain in the digestive tract – may also act independently of the
brain in the head. The size of this brain, according to Boulder Creek, California’s Institute of HeartMath, is as great as a number of the principle
areas of the brain in the head. Studies discussed in Brain and Values, have shown that the consistency of the rhythm found in the heart brain is
capable of changing – sometimes in spectacular fashion - how effectively the thinking brain functions. In theory that means that what occurs on a
feeling level, has the capacity to deeply influence what occurs on a thinking level.
The Earth has four corners (Isaiah 11:12, Ezekial 7:2)
This is a reference to the Law of 4: North, South, East, West; Air, Water, Earth, Fire, etc.
Snails melt (Psalms 58:8)
It says the snail melts away as it goes. In reality, the snail and slug leave a trail of slime in its wake, which could be taken to mean the snail is
“melting away as it goes”
The Earth is definitively flat (Daniel 4:10-11, 20)
Firstly he is describing a vision. Secondly, it does not say the earth is flat, it says there is a tree that grew that could be seen by all. This also
could be understood metaphorically or esoterically
The stars are tiny objects that can fall out of the sky and be stomped upon (Daniel 8:10)
The Sun moves around the Earth (Psalms 19:4-6)
This is just a description of the sun going from one side of the horizon to the other, which it appears to do to one standing on the ground.
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