reply to post by coyotepoet
Wow, I can't believe this crap (no offense to you, we all write crap sometimes) actually got all those stars. I'm sorry I didn't respond to the
original post, but I didn't realize there had been a reply. I should check my reply box more often. I do try to get around to replying to everyone who
replies to me.
Originally posted by coyotepoet
As I state below, I am not a Christian and have no desire to argue for the rightness of the Bible.
Well, that's good...as there is very little argument for the scientific validity of the book.
So the funny thing about this list is that you are using a literal interpretation of the Bible to argue against someone else's literal interpretation
of the bible.
...um...literal is the interpretation I'm going for unless there's a good reason to not go for it. I'm not going to believe that there was actually a
good Samaritan or a prodigal son, but the Bible treats the events of Noah as fact throughout the whole book with various references. Unless you can
give me a particular reason to not interpret them literally, then I don't know what the point is.
Understand also that I am not a Christian arguing for the “rightness” of the Bible. I have no investment in proving the Bible accurate but I call
them like I see them
Then I bemoan your poor judgment
Plants existed before the Sun and Moon (Genesis 1:11-16)
The Earth is created before the Sun (Genesis 1)
The Sun and Moon are set in a physical firmament above the Earth (Genesis 1:16-17)
See my images earlier in the thread regarding a sacred geometry interpretation of Genesis.
...so...it's inaccurate, but it's meant to symbolize something. Because, you know, that's a legitimate excuse for why it's wrong.
When understood as a metaphorical description of that process it makes a lot more sense. Please go through those images where I specifically address
the seed and fruit issue. Likewise heavens and earth are meant to represent the divisions, not necessarily literal earth. All of the above verses are
understood through sacred geometry and not to be taken in a literal sense.
Why? I'm sorry, but you're saying they can be taken as sacred geometry, but why did you decide to? I'm all for someone saying that X part of the book
is supposed to be a metaphor for something...but why?
Frankly, that image explains nothing...and in the post containing the image you pretend that Moses is a historical figure instead of a fictional
The Moon is a/produces light (Genesis 1:16, Isaiah 13:10)
Actually what was said was a greater light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night. It doesn't matter that the moon is reflective, it is
still a lesser light. And Isaiah says “The sun will be darkened ...and the moon will not cause it's light to shine,” which would of course happen
if the sun were darkened.
...and in the Biblical text the line in Isaiah uses language for the moon shining light for it...so they're wrong.
Show me a child alive today, who prior to learning that the Moon is a reflector does not believe that the moon produces it's own light.
So...your argument is that the ancient Hebrews were wrong? That's exactly what I'm saying, isn't it?
Global flood (Genesis..mentioned several other times in later books)
Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement
at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in
Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales,
Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.
These flood tales are frequently linked by common elements that parallel the Biblical account including the warning of the coming flood, the
construction of a boat in advance, the storage of animals, the inclusion of family, and the release of birds to determine if the water level had
subsided. The overwhelming consistency among flood legends found in distant parts of the globe indicates they were derived from the same origin (the
Bible's record), but oral transcription has changed the details through time.
Perhaps the second most important historical account of a global flood can be found in a Babylonian flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. When the
Biblical and Babylonian accounts are compared, a number of outstanding similarities are found that leave no doubt these stories are rooted in the same
event or oral tradition.
...the various stories originate at various periods and few deal with global floods instead of local ones.
It is generally accepted that the Gilgamesh story was the prototype for the Biblical flood story. While this site states that the Bible was the origin
for these flood stories, which I don't agree with, it is obvious that cultures around the world had a similar experience.
Stories aren't evidence of an event happening, anyone who frequents a conspiracy forum should realize that.
And the similar experience? Local flooding.
It's a mythic structure. Take event/thing/creature, make it bigger/better/scarier. Flood + myth =
global flood. Hammer + myth = Mjolnir. Snake + myth = dragon. It's not that hard to decipher.
From the web page Flood legends around the world
Again, doesn't matter. Where's the physical evidence of a global flood? The evidence that we would expect to see from our vast knowledge of geology is
Humanity at a time of civilization which would have enabled large scale construction projects shared a single language (Genesis 11) Diverse
language happened instantly rather than gradually (Genesis 11)
This thread has an interesting take on things. It is not the first time that I have heard about this in relation to telepathy and ET intervention.
...ok, so idle speculation built upon the synthesis of two other bits of idle speculation. Nothing concrete, no evidence.
The Hebrew population in Egypt somehow goes from dozens to millions in a few hundred years. (Exodus)
Hares and coneys are ruminants (Leviticus 11:5-6)
Ostriches are apparently entirely inattentive parents (Job 39:13-16)
No arguments and no desire to contend this information.
Because they're all wrong.
God's cure for lepers (Leviticus 14:2-52)
Sounds a little loopy but no different than some alchemical practices, which have been found to be sound.
Alchemical practices have not been found to be sound. We abandoned alchemy for a reason, it was superseded by chemistry and physics. Alchemy is the
furthest thing in the world from sound.
Snakebites are cured by a brass serpent on a pole (Numbers 21:8)
Not just snakes but “fiery serpents.” Here is where I slip into my own suppositions but I have long contended that some of this kind of thing,
along with the Nefilim, Elohim, and Son's of God marrying the daughters of men stuff was really about a time when ET's walked openly on the earth and
were venerated as Gods. Perhaps the fiery serpents were among these and the brass serpent on a pole was advanced tech, much like the Pyramids are
thought to be (as opposed to burial chambers.)
...no, the making of a 'fiery serpent' involves the mounting of a bronze cast of a serpent. You have to into the original Hebrew of it there, unless
my translation is mistaken (which it may be).
Giants (way too many passages Numbers, Deuteronomy, 2 Samuel, Amos)
Dragons (Deuteronomy 32:33, Psalms 148:7)
Lots of fantastical creatures used to exist including satyrs, cockatrices, fiery flying serpents, etc (Isaiah)
There have been skeletons of giants found at archaeological digs (though in this age of photoshop...) There have been artistic representations of
giants found. See my comments above about Ets
And yet none of these supposed skeletons is there for inspection....because they don't exist. They're either frauds of honest mistakes.
The Sun apparently moves and can be made to stand still so that people can sneak attack others at night (Joshua 10:12-13)
Either the Earth stopped rotating and moved backward a bit or the Sun moved backward on its own...well, we know what the Bible says about the
relationship between the two. (2 Kings 20:11)
This was also preceded by hailstones. Perhaps the attacks were timed at this point rather than being made to happen for the attack. Like the flood
stories, many cultures around the world have stories of the sun standing still, which is precisely what would happen during a pole shift. There are
also cultural legends of a point in antiquity when the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Which would be the same phenomenon. Graham Hancock
talks about this in several of his books as well
The Spanish savant who came to America a generation Columbus and gathered the traditions of the natives, wrote that at the time of one cosmic
catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving: the moon also stood still. (22).
The Andeans record a myth-story that the sun stayed away for twenty hours. This event is said to have occurred under the reign of Yupanqui Pachacuti
II, the fifteenth ruler of the old time.
In the Mexican 'Annals of Cuauhtitlan' or 'Codex Chimpalpopoca' - the history of the empire in Culhuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian in the
sixteenth century - it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for an extended period of
And from Asia - The canons of the Chinese emperor. (2,400 BC ?) - 'In the lifetime of Yao, the sun did not set for ten full days and the entire land
was flooded (by an immense wave), that reached the sky'.
It is important to recognise that all these stories were recorded from different locations on earth. On one side of the Earth people record that the
Sun stayed in the sky, while on the other side, the stores are that the Sun stayed away.
Wow, you keep citing the same website...and it's really full of crap. You do realize that none of those reports feature corroborating reports from
other parts of the world, right? If the sun moved in the sky then there should have been reports of such phenomenon in more than one place. I mean,
it's not exactly the sort of thing that only one person would notice in a hemisphere.
The Earth has pillars...I guess instead of being hung it's placed.(1 Samuel 2:8, Job 9:6,26:11,38:4-6...actually, a lot of places)
The Earth doesn't move.(1 Chronicles 16:30, Job 38:4-6, Psalms 93:1, 96:10...and a lot of other places where it mentions that the Earth is set on
Again, like the sacred geometry think in terms of esoteric metaphor
Except that there's no reason for us to think that it's an esoteric metaphor beyond you claiming it is.
People think in their heart (Esther 6:6, Isaiah 10:7)
The heart and brain maintain a continuous two-way dialogue, each influencing the other's functioning. The signals the heart sends to the brain can
influence perception, emotional processing and higher cognitive functions. This system and circuitry is viewed by neurocardiology researchers as a
Their studies using HeartMath techniques and technology have been published in many peer reviewed journals including; The American Journal of
Cardiology, Harvard Business Review and Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. Additional studies are currently taking place in many
institutions such as Mayo Clinic, Arizona State University, University of Northampton, Northampton, England and VA Palo Alto Health Care
Heartmath's research, published in many peer reviewed journals with studies going on at ASU and Mayo Clinic has found that we do “think with our
heart” It could also be a metaphorical for being guided by our emotions.
Here's another quote on it:
With his revolutionary research the University of Montreal’s pioneer neurocardiologist Dr. J. Andrew Armour first introduced the concept of a
functional heart brain in the 1990’s. This brain in the heart – just as the brain in the digestive tract – may also act independently of the
brain in the head. The size of this brain, according to Boulder Creek, California’s Institute of HeartMath, is as great as a number of the principle
areas of the brain in the head. Studies discussed in Brain and Values, have shown that the consistency of the rhythm found in the heart brain is
capable of changing – sometimes in spectacular fashion - how effectively the thinking brain functions. In theory that means that what occurs on a
feeling level, has the capacity to deeply influence what occurs on a thinking level.
...except that doesn't matter. The stomach has the same relationship with the brain, so do all your organs on some level....but you don't think with
those organs. Thoughts are not occurring in your heart. If that were the case, people with artificial hearts wouldn't be able to think or would have
an impairment in thinking.
The Earth has four corners (Isaiah 11:12, Ezekial 7:2)
This is a reference to the Law of 4: North, South, East, West; Air, Water, Earth, Fire, etc.
And yet it's still wrong.
Snails melt (Psalms 58:8)
It says the snail melts away as it goes. In reality, the snail and slug leave a trail of slime in its wake, which could be taken to mean the snail is
“melting away as it goes”
...no, it leaves a trail of slime behind. I wish I could show it to you (it's on my girlfriend's laptop), but I'll describe a scene I saw at the zoo
while on a little vacation last week. A penguin was lying on its belly, fast asleep, with a giant smear of feces in a big white line trailing right
behind it. Would my conclusion that the penguin 'melted away'? No. It produced excrement. Producing something to aid in movement isn't the same as
The Earth is definitively flat (Daniel 4:10-11, 20)
Firstly he is describing a vision.
And Daniel isn't the only place where things work as if the Earth is flat...
Secondly, it does not say the earth is flat, it says there is a tree that grew that could be seen by all. This also could be understood metaphorically
Or it could be meant literally.
The stars are tiny objects that can fall out of the sky and be stomped upon (Daniel 8:10)
Well, meteorites aren't stars.
The Sun moves around the Earth (Psalms 19:4-6)
This is just a description of the sun going from one side of the horizon to the other, which it appears to do to one standing on the ground.
Yep, and that was as far as the science of the Bible went...it was just constantly wrong about everything because it was written by a bunch of bronze
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