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Originally posted by Debunker75
reply to post by TheIsraelite777What you uphold is of none of my concern as, frankly, I didn't know you before, don't know you now and won't know you after leaving this message. God knows you and your heart (be it misguided or not), and as long as you please Him, that's the only thing in this life that matters. Not your opinion, or mine.
Speech? I simply said I answer to God and God alone. Not to God's creations. I listen to Him alone for my guidance, not as a last resort, but as the first. If you believe there's a better guide, then by all means, go forth and listen to them. I spoke from the heart about my Father and gave you one piece of scripture because it was all that was needed. Excuse me for taking the Word to heart and comprehending it instead of throwing chunks of it out at people like a last minute cram session. You don't attribute your knowledge to have come from God, so why use His words as your defense? And why are you going about calling Christians hypocrites? You're not one yourself, right, so who are you to judge?
Some of the weakest people are those holding copy-and-pasted Scripture as a banner and a shield, all while understanding none of it. You say you're a wannabe-Jew (essentially you are since you won't come to terms with being a Gentile. Only God can decide whether or not your claiming you're a 'real jew' is a lie. At least you've 9 more commandments. But anyway, you indicate you weren't born Jewish and therefore had had 'learn how to become one') throwing Jesus' name around like you know him.... really??? Orthodox Jews don't consider Jesus to be their Messiah, so who are you to tell me I may not know Jesus?
You should read what you posted: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." You're the only one on here up in arms about keeping commandments, judging me as if you know my personal history and habits. You keep the laws but don't understand the message and express no Love for God. Do you think you can have one without the other?
Pray tell, do you believe you're the only one capable of hearing God's word and living according to His will? Stick to what you know and leave my personal affairs between me and God because from your posts, you don't seem to have heard the Word very well. Perhaps you should extend your knowledge past King James' version.
I know the Bible, in it's entirety is His gift to us. It comes from Him as all knowledge does, not from His creations. Hence, why I say God provides everything I need. If you choose to pay attention to the Jews alone, you won't be able to see the forest for the trees.
But again, more power to you. If it's scripture you desire, then take the boastful ego that makes you feel it's necessary to express how much 'better' you believe yourself to be at upholding the laws and please review Proverbs 8:13, Psalms 10:4, 1 Corinthians 4:7 and 2 Corinthians 10:13 for there is no room for the love of God in you if you concern yourself only with His laws and idolize a very small portion of His people. Only a fool talks as if they themselves don't sin.
Like I said, I'm happiest being a child of God and a loyal sheep for my Shepard. Being flesh and blood, we are both far from perfect, so leave me to be handled by my Father because I've long ago given my concern regarding you back to your 'teachers.' The Lord knows my heart in a way you never will. I like it that way.
Leave judgement to God. He does it much better than you do.
This is, and will be my last comment to you about this.
Peace to you
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777 No. There is no such thing as a trinity. the Bible does not support it. And before you go off posting scriptures, let me remind you Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 were both added in by Constantine. Neither one of two verses were found in the earlier Greek translations.
I read those verses, and I note that first John 5:7 admits that "...and these three are one." Further, if these verses were inserted by Constantine, then Ivan Panin, the mathematician of the Bible, would have noticed the break in the mathematical codes which run from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. Your position is untenable.
Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
English, Irish, German, Swedish, and a little American Indian...... your run of the mill mutt you could say.
Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
You seem to have forgotten the scripture that says "for you no longer need a teacher, the Spirit will teach you all things".... Sorry about the gross paraphrasing. I can't remember where that is.......Human hard drive freeze.
Hi. You couldn't be more right. But you have to remember that only the people truly filled by
The Holy Ghost will grasp what you are saying.
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
I'm a little late to this argument, but I feel I have to address these claims, because I used to be like you. First of all, I am guessing you are a Messianic Jew, so was I, so was Father Bernstein who wrote "Surprised by Christ" (read it). You see Father Bernstein was a part of the whole Jews for Jesus and Messianic Jewish movements. It's understandable why these movements sprang up, people wanted the ancient Semitic Christianity of the Apostles and not Gentilized Christianity. The problem is that this movement sprang out of the sixties and seventies, which as you might gather is nearly 2,000 years apart from the Apostles. I'll return to Father Bernstein after I make some other points.
As far as the Sabbath and the Lord's Day goes; are you aware of the repeating number codes in the Bible. 7 being divine or perfection, 6 being worldly imperfection, 10 being the law, and 12 being the fullness of Israel and the Church (tribes and apostles), and 8 pertaining to the Resurrection. These codes repeat throughout the Bible most notably in the Byzantine text used for that King James Bible you hold so dear. Anyways, you can't separate Ya'hshuah from the Church he left with his disciples and we can see from the 8fold code in Ya'hshuah's speach as well as the discourses of St. Polycarp and St. Ignatius of Antioch that Christians celebrated the resurrection on the Eighth Day. I say the Eighth Day, because God is still working, he gave us a new covenant and a new day. We are not under the Mosaic Law anymore, the purpose of which was to create a people righteous enough to bear the Messiah WHO HAS COME. Christ has conquered sin, death, and the devil and the old law has been FULFILLED not DESTROYED, but brought to fruition in Ya'hshuah Moshiach. We have a new covenant and a new day to celebrate his resurrection.
Now, back to Father Bernstein. Father Bernstein studied the early Church Fathers when Christianity was a Semitic sect. They worshipped on the Eighth Day, they used liturgical services, and performed closed communion believing the Eucharist to be the Body and Blood of the Lord. These Semitic Christians still exist in Antioch and Jerusalem and they are ORTHODOX. The more aesthetically "Jewish" Christians were known as the Ebionites and they rejected the Incarnation which is absolutely essential to our salvation. If God didn't repair the bridge to him by the Blood of his Son the Logos then there is no salvation. Those like Polycarp and Ignatius who were disciples of John and the group of Christians who wrote the Didache rejected them utterly. You my friend are deceived in thinking that a group of psuedo-Jews in the 21st Century can understand the Apostles better than those who learned at their feet.
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
I'm a little late to this argument, but I feel I have to address these claims, because I used to be like you. First of all, I am guessing you are a Messianic Jew, so was I, so was Father Bernstein who wrote "Surprised by Christ" (read it). You see Father Bernstein was a part of the whole Jews for Jesus and Messianic Jewish movements. It's understandable why these movements sprang up, people wanted the ancient Semitic Christianity of the Apostles and not Gentilized Christianity. The problem is that this movement sprang out of the sixties and seventies, which as you might gather is nearly 2,000 years apart from the Apostles. I'll return to Father Bernstein after I make some other points.
As far as the Sabbath and the Lord's Day goes; are you aware of the repeating number codes in the Bible. 7 being divine or perfection, 6 being worldly imperfection, 10 being the law, and 12 being the fullness of Israel and the Church (tribes and apostles), and 8 pertaining to the Resurrection. These codes repeat throughout the Bible most notably in the Byzantine text used for that King James Bible you hold so dear. Anyways, you can't separate Ya'hshuah from the Church he left with his disciples and we can see from the 8fold code in Ya'hshuah's speach as well as the discourses of St. Polycarp and St. Ignatius of Antioch that Christians celebrated the resurrection on the Eighth Day. I say the Eighth Day, because God is still working, he gave us a new covenant and a new day. We are not under the Mosaic Law anymore, the purpose of which was to create a people righteous enough to bear the Messiah WHO HAS COME. Christ has conquered sin, death, and the devil and the old law has been FULFILLED not DESTROYED, but brought to fruition in Ya'hshuah Moshiach. We have a new covenant and a new day to celebrate his resurrection.
Now, back to Father Bernstein. Father Bernstein studied the early Church Fathers when Christianity was a Semitic sect. They worshipped on the Eighth Day, they used liturgical services, and performed closed communion believing the Eucharist to be the Body and Blood of the Lord. These Semitic Christians still exist in Antioch and Jerusalem and they are ORTHODOX. The more aesthetically "Jewish" Christians were known as the Ebionites and they rejected the Incarnation which is absolutely essential to our salvation. If God didn't repair the bridge to him by the Blood of his Son the Logos then there is no salvation. Those like Polycarp and Ignatius who were disciples of John and the group of Christians who wrote the Didache rejected them utterly. You my friend are deceived in thinking that a group of psuedo-Jews in the 21st Century can understand the Apostles better than those who learned at their feet.
CHAPTER 1 1:1 There are two paths, one of life and one of death, and the difference is great between the two paths. 1:2 Now the path of life is this -- first, thou shalt love the God who made thee, thy neighbour as thyself, and all things that thou wouldest not should be done unto thee, do not thou unto another. 1:3 And the doctrine of these maxims is as follows. Bless them that curse you, and pray for your enemies. Fast on behalf of those that persecute you; for what thank is there if ye love them that love you? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? But do ye love them that hate you, and ye will not have an enemy. 1:4 Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts. If any one give thee a blow on thy right cheek, turn unto him the other also, and thou shalt be perfect; if any one compel thee to go a mile, go with him two; if a man take away thy cloak, give him thy coat also; if a man take from thee what is thine, ask not for it again, for neither art thou able to do so. 1:5 Give to every one that asketh of thee, and ask not again; for the Father wishes that from his own gifts there should be given to all. Blessed is he who giveth according to the commandment, for he is free from guilt; but woe unto him that receiveth. For if a man receive being in need, he shall be free from guilt; but he who receiveth when not in need, shall pay a penalty as to why he received and for what purpose; and when he is in tribulation he shall be examined concerning the things that he has done, and shall not depart thence until he has paid the last farthing. 1:6 For of a truth it has been said on these matters, let thy almsgiving abide in thy hands until thou knowest to whom thou hast given. CHAPTER 2 2:1 But the second commandment of the teaching is this. 2:2 Thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not corrupt youth; thou shalt not commit fornication; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not use soothsaying; thou shalt not practise sorcery; thou shalt not kill a child by abortion, neither shalt thou slay it when born; thou shalt not covet the goods of thy neighbour; 2:3 thou shalt not commit perjury; thou shalt not bear false witness; thou shalt not speak evil; thou shalt not bear malice; 2:4 thou shalt not be double-minded or double-tongued, for to be double tongued is the snare of death. 2:5 Thy speech shall not be false or empty, but concerned with action. 2:6 Thou shalt not be covetous, or rapacious, or hypocritical, or malicious, or proud; thou shalt not take up an evil design against thy neighbour; 2:7 thou shalt not hate any man, but some thou shalt confute, concerning some thou shalt pray, and some thou shalt love beyond thine own soul. CHAPTER 3 3:1 My child, fly from everything that is evil, and from everything that is like to it. 3:2 Be not wrathful, for wrath leadeth unto slaughter; be not jealous, or contentious, or quarrelsome, for from all these things slaughter ensues. 3:3 My child, be not lustful, for lust leadeth unto fornication; be not a filthy talker; be not a lifter up of the eye, for from all these things come adulteries. 3:4 My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leadeth to idolatry, nor a user of spells, nor an astrologer, nor a travelling purifier, nor wish to see these things, for from all these things idolatry ariseth. 3:5 My child, be not a liar, for lying leadeth unto theft; be not covetous or conceited, for from all these things thefts arise. 3:6 My child, be not a murmurer, since it leadeth unto blasphemy; be not self-willed or evil-minded, for from all these things blasphemies are produced; 3:7 but be thou meek, for the meek shall inherit the earth; 3:8 be thou longsuffering, and compassionate, and harmless, and peaceable, and good, and fearing alway the words that thou hast heard. 3:9 Thou shalt not exalt thyself, neither shalt thou put boldness into thy soul. Thy soul shall not be joined unto the lofty, but thou shalt walk with the just and humble. 3:10 Accept the things that happen to thee as good, knowing that without God nothing happens. CHAPTER 4 4:1 My child, thou shalt remember both night and day him that speaketh unto thee the Word of God; thou shalt honour him as thou dost the Lord, for where the teaching of the Lord is given, there is the Lord; 4:2 thou shalt seek out day by day the favour of the saints, that thou mayest rest in their words; 4:3 thou shalt not desire schism, but shalt set at peace them that contend; thou shalt judge righteously; thou shalt not accept the person of any one to convict him of transgression; 4:4 thou shalt not doubt whether a thing shall be or not. 4:5 Be not a stretcher out of thy hand to receive, and a drawer of it back in giving. 4:6 If thou hast, give by means of thy hands a redemption for thy sins. 4:7 Thou shalt not doubt to give, neither shalt thou murmur when giving; for thou shouldest know who is the fair recompenser of the reward. 4:8 Thou shalt not turn away from him that is in need, but shalt share with thy brother in all things, and shalt not say that things are thine own; for if ye are partners in what is immortal, how much more in what is mortal? 4:9 Thou shalt not remove thine heart from thy son or from thy daughter, but from their youth shalt teach them the fear of God. 4:10 Thou shalt not command with bitterness thy servant or thy handmaid, who hope in the same God as thyself, lest they fear not in consequence the God who is over both; for he cometh not to call with respect of persons, but those whom the Spirit hath prepared. 4:11 And do ye servants submit yourselves to your masters with reverence and fear, as being the type of God. 4:12 Thou shalt hate all hypocrisy and everything that is not pleasing to God; 4:13 thou shalt not abandon the commandments of the Lord, but shalt guard that which thou hast received, neither adding thereto nor taking therefrom; 4:14 thou shalt confess thy transgressions in the Church, and shalt not come unto prayer with an evil conscience. This is the path of life. CHAPTER 5 5:1 But the path of death is this. First of all, it is evil, and full of cursing; there are found murders, adulteries, lusts, fornication, thefts, idolatries, soothsaying, sorceries, robberies, false witnessings, hypocrisies, double-mindedness, craft, pride, malice, self-will, covetousness, filthy talking, jealousy, audacity, pride, arrogance; 5:2 there are they who persecute the good -- lovers of a lie, not knowing the reward of righteousness, not cleaving to the good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for the good but for the bad, from whom meekness and patience are afar off, loving things that are vain, following after recompense, having no compassion on the needy, nor labouring for him that is in trouble, not knowing him that made them, murderers of children, corrupters of the image of God, who turn away from him that is in need, who oppress him that is in trouble, unjust judges of the poor, erring in all things. From all these, children, may ye be delivered. CHAPTER 6 6:1 See that no one make thee to err from this path of doctrine, since he who doeth so teacheth thee apart from God. 6:2 If thou art able to bear the whole yoke of the Lord, thou wilt be perfect; but if thou art not able, what thou art able, that do. 6:3 But concerning meat, bear that which thou art able to do. But keep with care from things sacrificed to idols, for it is the worship of the infernal deities.
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777 No. There is no such thing as a trinity. the Bible does not support it. And before you go off posting scriptures, let me remind you Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 were both added in by Constantine. Neither one of two verses were found in the earlier Greek translations.
I read those verses, and I note that first John 5:7 admits that "...and these three are one." Further, if these verses were inserted by Constantine, then Ivan Panin, the mathematician of the Bible, would have noticed the break in the mathematical codes which run from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. Your position is untenable.
I just posted my sources. This matter is official closed, whether or not you read them.
Originally posted by Debunker75
reply to post by kallisti36
Well said, as always. And always greatly appreciated.
reply to post by TheIsraelite777yes, because Google is needed in order to know Scripture 'as well as you do,' right? But don't worry, I won't tell anyone that the very manner of all that you post clearly shows you copy and paste every bit of it. [Btw, for future reference, I've my own Bible if I need to consult the Lord's Word, dear. I don't need you to piece together bits of it for me. Nor do I need to know how expertly you know how to use Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V.]
Remember, when I messaged you first, I asked a question which you never answered. When you messaged me, it was about Islam first, then about whom people are apparently 'supposed' to learn scripture from. Had nothing to do with 'keeping the commandments' until you threw your ego around and made it clear that YOU, of all people on this thread 'keep all the laws.'
You then apparently got off track, taking it upon yourself to assume that I don't keep the commandments nor the holy days, and that I celebrate pagan holidays. Imo, obeying the Word of God is common sense... When I read about His laws, I got it the first time.
Were you having that hard a time understanding them that other humans had to spoon feed it to you for you to get the point? Is that not disgracing God by not using the mind you were blessed with?
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but I felt compelled to. And actually, it seems like a good thing that you don't attribute your knowledge to Our Father. God's message is not, never has been and never will be flawed. Yours is.
Take care.edit on 4/2/2011 by Debunker75 because: readjusted formatting
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
Your ideas are western inventions. The worst of these being your attonement doctrine which is born of the heretical "Satisfaction" doctrine of the Crucifixion (invented by a Roman Catholic no less). I could go on and on about how Penal Substitution is the worst heresy to sneak into Western Christianity, but I already did that. So, to save time, go to my thread pertaining to the TRUE reason for the Crucifixion: www.abovetopsecret.com... In short propitiary attonement and penal substitution make God an obstacle in our salvation.
You are a Black Yisraelite then? First of all the Jews of the OT certainly weren't white, but were more akin to Middle Easterners with unique Semitic characteristics, such as larger noses and prominent brows. Africans are not Semitic, it's that simple. Now, there are white Jews and Black Jews, but that's because of interbreeding and conversions after the Diaspora. So we wind up with white Jews in Europe and Black Jews (Beta Yisraelites) in Ethiopia who are supposedly the lost tribe of Dan (also MOSTLY ORTHODOX now).
When Ya'hshuah said that he came to fulfill the law and not destroy it, he meant bring it to fruition with his birth and the establishment of a New Covenant. When he said "whoever breaks one of these commandments or teaches others to do so shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven" that was right before he expounded on the laws of the New Covenant. Furthermore, if you look at the Acts of the Apostles and see what transpired at the Council of Jerusalem you will notice that they did not require circumcision or any of the Mosaic Law to be pressed on converts. This shows that a different kind of law was in place. Early Christian writing confirms that the Law of the New Covenant given at the Sermon on the Mount was the New Law that Christians were to keep. Here is a transcript of the first six chapters of the Didache (A.D. 100 at least):
For the whole Didache: www.monachos.net...edit on 2-4-2011 by kallisti36 because: (no reason given)edit on 2-4-2011 by kallisti36 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
Your ideas are western inventions. The worst of these being your attonement doctrine which is born of the heretical "Satisfaction" doctrine of the Crucifixion (invented by a Roman Catholic no less). I could go on and on about how Penal Substitution is the worst heresy to sneak into Western Christianity, but I already did that. So, to save time, go to my thread pertaining to the TRUE reason for the Crucifixion: www.abovetopsecret.com... In short propitiary attonement and penal substitution make God an obstacle in our salvation.
You are a Black Yisraelite then? First of all the Jews of the OT certainly weren't white, but were more akin to Middle Easterners with unique Semitic characteristics, such as larger noses and prominent brows. Africans are not Semitic, it's that simple. Now, there are white Jews and Black Jews, but that's because of interbreeding and conversions after the Diaspora. So we wind up with white Jews in Europe and Black Jews (Beta Yisraelites) in Ethiopia who are supposedly the lost tribe of Dan (also MOSTLY ORTHODOX now).
When Ya'hshuah said that he came to fulfill the law and not destroy it, he meant bring it to fruition with his birth and the establishment of a New Covenant. When he said "whoever breaks one of these commandments or teaches others to do so shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven" that was right before he expounded on the laws of the New Covenant. Furthermore, if you look at the Acts of the Apostles and see what transpired at the Council of Jerusalem you will notice that they did not require circumcision or any of the Mosaic Law to be pressed on converts. This shows that a different kind of law was in place. Early Christian writing confirms that the Law of the New Covenant given at the Sermon on the Mount was the New Law that Christians were to keep. Here is a transcript of the first six chapters of the Didache (A.D. 100 at least):
For the whole Didache: www.monachos.net...edit on 2-4-2011 by kallisti36 because: (no reason given)edit on 2-4-2011 by kallisti36 because: (no reason given)
1Cr 5:1 ¶ It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Cr 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Cr 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed,
1Cr 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Cr 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. 32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
Nowhere does it say in any of the scripture I posted the born again Christians will enter the kingdom. And I doubt anyone on this earth is born again, because Jesus said to be born again, you have to have your spiritual body, like the angels, and the only time people are going to get their spiritual body, is at the 2nd coming of the Lord. No other time will people be born again.. Jesus said that himself! He said you have to be born of spirit, and water. So you have to be baptized, and you have to have your spiritual body.
John 3:1-4 (King James Version)
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Romans 6:4 (New King James Version) 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Originally posted by TheIsraelite777
The only funny thing is, HISTORIANS wrote about Constantine and his new pagan Sunday worship. Don't try to refute something that's already set in stone, brah. I'll start to name the historians that wrote about Constantine and all his paganism if you keep on, then you going to look real bad, cause you didn't know what you was talking about. You just searched on google about it, I bet, and those are the videos you found, which everything in the videos are lies.
We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead (the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him and His death.) —St. Ignatius of Antioch, To the Magnesians, chapter 9
"But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts." —St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 26
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead." —St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, 67
By us, to whom Sabbaths are strange, and the new moons and festivals formerly beloved by God, the Saturnalia and New-year's and Midwinter's festivals and Matronalia are frequented--presents come and go--New-year's gifts--games join their noise--banquets join their din! Oh better fidelity of the nations to their own sect, which claims no solemnity of the Christians for itself! Not the Lord's day, not Pentecost, even it they had known them, would they have shared with us; for they would fear lest they should seem to be Christians. We are not apprehensive lest we seem to be heathens! If any indulgence is to be granted to the flesh, you have it. I will not say your own days, but more too; for to the heathens each festive day occurs but once annually: you have a festive day every eighth day. —Tertullian, On Idolatry, 14
Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity. —Tertullian, Ad Nationes, 1:13
'For in respect of the observance of the eighth day of the Jewish circumcision of the flesh, a sacrament was given beforehand in shadow and in usage; but when Christ came, it was fulfilled in truth. For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came and spiritual circumcision was given to us —St. Cyprian, Letter LVIII
1. Jesus rose on the first day of the week not the Sabbath: Mk 16:9 2. All 6 appearances of Jesus happen on two Sundays, none on Sabbath. Mk 16:9; Mt 28:5-9; Lk 24:34; Lk 24:13-15; Lk 24:33,36 + Jn 20:19; Jn 20:26 3. Christians are recorded assembling three times on Sunday after resurrection and before ascension, never on the Sabbath. Jn 20:19 Jn 20:26 Acts 2:1 (We do not claim that these were worship services, just the early starting point of Sunday gatherings) 4. The only time Christians are recorded to have assembled together was on a Sunday in Acts 20:7, never does it say the disciples assembled on the Sabbath. 5. The only day ever mentioned when Christians broke bread was on Sunday: Acts 20:7 6. Christians are commanded every Sunday to give into a common treasury of the church: 1 Cor 16:1-2 7. Jesus was declared the Son of God on Sunday: Rom 1:4 8. Ps 2:7 "Today I have begotten thee" was fulfilled on Sunday when he rose: Acts 13:33 9. The sign that Jesus was glorified was given on Sunday: Jn 7:39 + Acts 2:1,32 10. The church officially began on Pentecost Sunday: Acts 2:1 11. Jesus was crowned king on a Sunday: Acts 2:33-36 12. The sign that Jesus was glorified was given on Sunday: Jn 7:39 + Acts 2:1,32 13. The church officially began on Pentecost Sunday: Acts 2:1 14. The disciples reception of the promise of the Father on Sunday: Acts 1:4-5; 2:1-4 15. The Holy Spirit first fell upon the apostles on a Sunday: Acts 2:1-4 16. Salvation first preached by Peter on Sunday: Mt 16:19; Acts 2:1,38,40-41 17. The Keys to the Kingdom of God were first used on Sunday: Mt 16:19 18. The great "Triumphal entry" (also called "Palm Sunday") happened on the first day: Luke 13:32 19. The time between the Lord’s resurrection (sheaf waving day) and Pentecost was Sunday to Sunday counting of 50 days. The starting and stopping time was on the 1st day. 20. First time Jesus worshiped after resurrection was on the first day by Thomas (Jn. 20:26). 21. The first time we could be born again to a living hope was on a Sunday: 1 Pet. 1:3 22. The first time Jesus had communion after his resurrection with His disciples, was on a Sunday: (Lk. 24:1, 13, 28-35) 23. Pentecost was a Sunday - Sunday duration of 50 days. The starting point and stopping point of counting the 50 days was a Sunday - Sunday period!
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost