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Originally posted by TKDRL
Another question I posted a while back, only one person responded. This very question I have asked priests before, and was thrown out of churches for being satan spawn or some such nonsense....
Assuming the bible is the truth:
The bible states, humanity was wiped out, except for a few people on the ark. Where did all the hundreds of other religions come from? IF that was true, there should only be one religion now. Those people on the boat would be telling their kids about it, and passed on from generation to generation to generation. So why is there so many religions now? Religions that worship no god at all, to religions that worship many gods. How could that be?
Originally posted by Theophorus
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
The BIBLE even says not to practice Xmas
Show me the verse.
Jesus's birthday is NOT in the Bible
Speaking of Jesus:
Luke 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Humm, this sounds like a celebration to me.
As for Easter and Good friday, I'm about to debunk them in about 30 seconds. According to Daniel 9:24-27, Jesus would have died on a WEDNESDAY.
Not to be disrespectful, but that seems like the amount of time you actually spent on studying these scriptures, That is in the correct context.Ill let someone else correct you as Ive spent way to much time on this thread already.
peace
Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by ChaosComplex
In this passage,God the Father is refering to Jesus Christ-Hence the our is used.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
So they were building a skyscraper, god got made and scrambled their brains so they couldn't make more skyscrapers. Nice guy. That still doesn't explain where all these other religions came from though. Are you saying that god wiped out their memories of the "true religion" and implanted a fake one in their heads when he somehow wiped out their memories of language, and put another one in their head?
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
So they were building a skyscraper, god got made and scrambled their brains so they couldn't make more skyscrapers. Nice guy. That still doesn't explain where all these other religions came from though. Are you saying that god wiped out their memories of the "true religion" and implanted a fake one in their heads when he somehow wiped out their memories of language, and put another one in their head?
Originally posted by Debunker75
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for that. People should seriously take time to read your posts. They make so much sense. The Bible's only as hard as you make it, people.
The fact that we twist it as we do, and assume it means certain things, taking it completely out of context, in a completely wrong manner, in many cases, is a testament to what you're saying, and what was said before: knowledge, for all of you trying to make it seem like God lied and satan was the good guy for giving knowledge, isn't the bad thing. The point of the situation surrounding the fall from Eden was a lack of patience and apparent susceptibility to being so easily fooled. And we are that easily fooled as a species. For all our 'growth' and supposed 'critical, outside the box thinking,' we still can't acquire the balance we truly need as humans. Nor can most seem to appropriately understand their 'reason for being here.'
Too much knowledge pushes people to believe they should (or can) rely on themselves: their intelligence, their intellect, and the collective intelligence of their fellow humans for discoveries, theories, beliefs, etc. This is flawed thinking because, in such cases, we're only as strong as our weakest link, which explains why, after so many years, we've succeeded at nothing of supreme value but going nowhere fast.
Anyway, I hope you don't mind if I sub to your blog, SuperiorEd.
This, btw, might be of some interest to someone. He has some very interesting interpretations (from the point of view of a Christian convert/former Muslim). For those interested in better understanding the Bible, reading the Quran (or simply doing a quick overview of the fundamentals of Islam) might be a good start. Learning about Islam first, before delving into Christianity, tbh, was the best choice I could have made. It seriously makes things so much clearer:
"Once you understand that the Bible is not really an allegoric book, it really means business, it means specific things"
edit on 3/26/2011 by Debunker75 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ChaosComplex
****Let me start this by saying I am here to ask questions and learn. I have no intentions of bashing anyone for their beliefs, as I accept all ideas for thought.****
So I decided to start to read the Bible, and already in the first few minutes of reading I have a huge issue.
"1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
"after his kind" makes me think that these creatures were based on creatures that existed somewhere else...
"1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
What? Let US make? In OUR image? After OUR likeness? What the... How can no one have an issue with this?
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Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
Originally posted by ChaosComplex
****Let me start this by saying I am here to ask questions and learn. I have no intentions of bashing anyone for their beliefs, as I accept all ideas for thought.****
So I decided to start to read the Bible, and already in the first few minutes of reading I have a huge issue.
"1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
"after his kind" makes me think that these creatures were based on creatures that existed somewhere else...
"1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
What? Let US make? In OUR image? After OUR likeness? What the... How can no one have an issue with this?
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There are truly only two schools of though about how we were created
1. Nothing exploded/expanded into everything: atoms, light, elements, life...... by no reason at all but through infinity times of trying. Which there are mathematical findings that show there much be a beginning and not an infinity of playback.
2. God created everything the earth, planets, stars, light, and all life, as said in the Bible. He does not give full detail to this account, but he did create plants and animals in front of Adam so he could see that God has done this.
To the concerns of
Your statement: """after his kind" makes me think that these creatures were based on creatures that existed somewhere else...""
does not imply from somewhere else in it at all, but in written in simple language that a child can read and under stand.
Cows will produce cows or cow like kinds and so on. Nothing more nothing less. All the trillions of dollars of research have proved this statement, though not by choice, but by fact.
Cows do not produce monkeys, dogs, corn, rocks...............................................
If you were a supernatural being, wanting to commune with something that did not exist and you had to ability to create life why would you not make this intelligent creature that you want to interact with like you???
Originally posted by Debunker75
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
I've never followed Islam, but came upon that interpretation today and was surprised by it. I've got both religions in my family so going backwards, from most recent religion to oldest, helped me out best, putting the older religions into better context, is all. That, and Shoebat's vids show he's all for letting the Bible speak for itself as well.
I'm not incapable of putting his interpretation aside when I read the Bible though, and anyone on here should be capable of the same thing (since many on here seem to hold their logic so highly.... for a reason unknown to me). My interpretation will come from what God alone shows me.
I've agreed with your explanations of the Bible (and thank you very much for them as they've also helped me understand things better) but your explaining things about the Bible to obviously swayed or biased naysayers, means that you're altering their interpretation too, though, right? Most people aren't ever going to really let the Bible interpret itself because most can't get past the first page without feeling perplexed. Regardless, I agree with the fact that the Bible does a good enough job explaining itself... that there's a lot of power that can come from letting interpretation come naturally [at least before building upon it with external sources.]
I'm just also aware of the number of people unwilling to let God do or assist with anything in their lives nowadays. Believing they'll let Him speak for Himself is wishful thinking. Imo, when ready, the understanding will be bestowed upon a person. Until then, confusion. Being spoon-fed an answer or explanation isn't the same as finding it yourself, either, and so the explanation will always be less meaningful.
But... I imagine the effort put into trying to understand in the meantime stands for something though.edit on 3/27/2011 by Debunker75 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TheIsraelite777
Using my head, if god had wiped the world clean for not following his word, nobody would be making up religions after, because it pisses off that god....
They would be using the same fallback cliches priests use "It's gods will" etc etc, not making up new gods.edit on Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:56:18 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)