Originally posted by nightbringr
You dont see the issue? If a "designer" as you put it knows millions or billions of years even before we are born what our ultimate destinies will
be, they are unchangable. After all, if an omnipotent god is infallable, he therefore cannot be wrong. If he cannot be wrong, we are not "free" to
change our destiny.
I suspect either you are a very religious man or simply cannot grasp that basic truth. Please explain to me how someone infallable can know my
actions before i do them, yet i am still free to "change" those actions, thereby excersizing my free will. I bet you cannot.
edit on 21-3-2011 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)
I don't mean to interject, but I have always been fascinated by the concept of free will and/or the lack thereof. I'm by no means a religious person.
Far from it, I'm an agnostic skeptic. But, actually, the possibility does exist that we lack free will in the traditional sense. Cognitive and
generative sciences have done a lot of research in recent years showing that the sense of choice or volition is experienced after
potential that causes the brain to actually carry out an action. In one experiment they were even able to stimulate subjects to move their hands, and
the subjects subjectively experienced volition; i.e. they believed and felt that they were choosing to move their hands. It is widely speculated now
that this is how our brains function under normal circumstances as well now; i.e. that while the universe is quantum mechanical and therefore
deterministic at the fundamental level, it may also not be one in which cognitive choices can be made without them being the end result of
- on a macrocopic scale at least - deterministic processes.
So it is at least within the realm of possibility, however marginal it may seem. The human ego (and I don't mean that in the conceited sense, but the
psychological and neurological as the ego is believed to be an emergent property of the behavior of our brains) abhors this possibility, but to
dismiss it entirely is not consistent with observational and experimental data in my opinion. You said you refuse to believe we lack free agency/free
will because it would render life pointless. What if life is
pointless, at least in the traditional anthropomorphic sense? If that's the case,
then it wouldn't matter if you accepted it or not. It would still be the case, and in fact, you would have no choice but to not accept it because of
the myriad factors resulting in that feeling or thought on your part. Note: I'm not saying that IS the case at all. But it is a fact that it's
we lack free will.
I created a topic on this a while back. If you want to read it and take part, that would be awesome:
Is it at least possible that free will is entirely an illusion? It would seem so.
I don't like the prospect anymore than you do, if it helps any.
But if it's possible, then technically, so is prophecy. (Not saying I believe that
these are accurate prophecies, let alone applicable to our own time. I'm open to the possibility, though.)
edit on 3/21/2011 by AceWombat04