La Bruzzo wants to drug test welfare recepients...

Originally posted by jplaysguitar
it is a horibal idea! If i needed financial help the last thing on my mind is to prove im clean. ppl who need welfare prolly cant evan afford drugs.
ppl on welfare should be treated whith respect and dignity, not like drug adicts

Look,

If you are one of those people who actually NEED it, and you aren't buying drugs, then why worry about it? You should have no quams getting tested if you are in fact clean.

~Keeper

reply to post by jplaysguitar


So are people who take drug tests supposed to feel as though they are being treated as addicts? That is a crappy entitlement argument that is ridiculous.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by gougitousakusha

 

See the above post for credible link.

I would suggest further google research. Regardless of what you do, hard drugs stay in your system far long than 3 days, and it doesn't take much testing to find.

~Keeper

Ummm, yeah, it may be safer to say that drug testing will find the stupid people since you can easily buy detox drinks, take niacin e.c.t . Seriously, if drug testing worked then many, many more people would not be able to get a job. Of course, unless you are ignorant, you know this to be the case. What people put in their bodies is their business IMO anyway...

Originally posted by thorazineshuffle
reply to post by jplaysguitar

 

So are people who take drug tests supposed to feel as though they are being treated as addicts? That is a crappy entitlement argument that is ridiculous.

Piss-in-a-cup-and-get-money doesn't sound like a bad deal to me either

I was drug tested after being hired for my last job and didn't feel I was being treated as a drug addict...

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


Yup I am aware of that.

However this isn't an issue of whether or not I think drugs are ok. IMO put whatever you want in your body, when you want. I'm not here to tell you what should and should not do.

But if you are using my hard earned tax dollars to buy said drugs, that's when I have a problem. It's a money issue, not a social one.

~Keeper

I would like to remind everyone that we're all just 1 really bad decision or unfortunate situation away from being in the poor house ourselves. Just because you aren't now doesn't mean it's impossible to end up like so many others.

"Judge not lest ye be judged"

Sure there is abuse in the welfare system just like any other system. But to discriminate against all just for a few bad apples is wrong.

reply to post by DEEZNUTZ


I don't see it as discrimination.

As I stated above, why would you have a problem IF you are one of those people who are doing things correctly?

And I'm not bashing folks on welfare, been there myself a few times, it's a great thing to have, but it's a tool to be used until no longer required, not a life style.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower

i think welfare recipients have just as much of a right to privacy as you and me . sounds like entire program will cost more than it would save.

reply to post by jplaysguitar


Why is this all of a sudden a privacy issue?

Amazing that people complain about tax dollars being spent poorly and when somebody comes up with a better idea than the way things are going on now, people complain about that too.

It's not perfect, but it's better than wasting tax payer money of folks who abuse the system, for drugs, among other things.

~Keeper

reply to post by thorazineshuffle

i understand an employer testing potential hires. not our welfare system thou. police seem to do a sufficient job "helping" drug users no need for welfare to get in on it .

reply to post by thorazineshuffle


It is discrimination. It only targets a certain caste of people who receive government assistance. That is, the poor ones. Right now private industries are pillaging New Orleans' public school system, and are being subsidized to do so. They're getting a one-two double helping of public funding, but are they required to take piss tests?

No, they are not.

if this standard we applied to every recipient of public money - including Republican representatives of the 41st district, for example - maybe it wouldn't be discriminatory. But then I'm certain that someone - perhaps a Republican representative from the 41st district - would sue on privacy grounds.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

maybe welfare could come in the form of debit card(no cash sorta thing) that would stop ppl from abuseing it on illegal drugs right ther. honestly just cuas some poor indavidal tests positive dose not mean thay paid for drugs. party situation could arise and someone offered it to them

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Funny how whenever the subject of halting government waste comes up, the answer from certain quarters is always cutting assistance to the poor, education, and environmental regulations - but never cutting the pay or pensions of state representatives or judges or governors, or repealing sweetheart tax cuts and subsidies to their donors, or investing tax money into bottom-level work programs for economic stimulation.

Nope, it's always cutting the bottom and leaving the top. Methinks these folks need to understand physics - top heavy things tend to collapse.

Originally posted by jplaysguitar
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

maybe welfare could come in the form of debit card(no cash sorta thing) that would stop ppl from abuseing it on illegal drugs right ther. honestly just cuas some poor indavidal tests positive dose not mean thay paid for drugs. party situation could arise and someone offered it to them

Both WIC and food stamps (the largest "welfare" programs) do this. There are no "cash handouts." Of course, there are also no Cadillac-driving "welfare queens" raking in tens of thousands of dollars by cranking out babies, but just try convincing some quarters of this.

It's just another way to say "uppity"

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Funny how whenever the subject of halting government waste comes up, the answer from certain quarters is always cutting assistance to the poor, education, and environmental regulations - but never cutting the pay or pensions of state representatives or judges or governors, or repealing sweetheart tax cuts and subsidies to their donors, or investing tax money into bottom-level work programs for economic stimulation.

Nope, it's always cutting the bottom and leaving the top. Methinks these folks need to understand physics - top heavy things tend to collapse.

I'm not arguing that buddy. I'm all for raising corporate taxes, raising taxes on the rich and putting more money into social programs, as long as they are well developped social programs, like welfare.

Then again I'm Canadian, so really I enjoy socialism in my government, if it's done right.

But this has nothing to do with the topic at hand you know, we are talking about welfare recipients taking drug tests, not who should be getting tax breaks.

~Keeper

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I'm all for cutting the pork spending, pay/ pensions, as well as funding for those abusing the system. Why should I work twice as hard to make ends meet when some on welfare does nothing and walks with a brand new $500 dollar cell phone ?? What about the hard working middle class that is always getting the wrong end of the stick? At least this is a small step to fix the HUGE gaps in our system.

In order to use drugs on welfare you likely have to deal to afford it, the free phones welfare recipients can order is a tracfone. wouldnt be surprising if these phones are actually tracked.

This welfare crap has pissed me off for a long time.

So It's about time something like this happens, I have had to pass a drug test to get a job, (every time), so I think every person I pay for in the Welfare System should too.

Lets get rid of the freeloader drug addicts, and give the money to people who really need it !!


I hope it passes


Peace

Why stop with the ones that receive welfare? What about companies that contract with states? Why not drug test everyone that works for those companies? I don't want MY tax dollars going to a company who's CEO is doing coke or drinking while their crews do road work or construct a public building.

Heck, what about state employees? Might as well drug test them on a daily basis as well. Oh, and if you get issued a drivers licence, or state ID, or a hunting licence or any other document, might as well drug test those people as well.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I think our government is very corrupt and greedy. I think there should be term limits on congress. I think we should control our spending, I think oil companies should be regulated, and not allowed to price gouge i think people should be accountable for their actions, rich, poor, no one should be given a free pass to live irresponsibly, blaming the man for keeping them down, and collecting a check. That's the problem. No one wants to earn anything anymore. No one wants to feel like they have accomplished anything, just want a hand out. It is bullship.