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Unions Threaten Business

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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Oh.... I have to admit, I don't have much respect for people in the entertainment business at all. TV to me is one of the downfalls of society... Maybe the unions you are part of are super great, or maybe they are gangsterlike like all the unions I have been a part of. I didn't have a choice, you either filled out and payed the unions, or you were not hired. I could care less if someone I hire is part of a union or not. If they know the job, and weren't expecting crazy wages, then they got hired. If someone expects to get paid more than I make, union or not, they won't get hired.




posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
It's not theft, it's a user's fee.


Call it what you will, if it makes you feel better about yourself. But, taking something from someone, without their consent is "theft", pure and simple. Telling someone they can't take a job to provide for their families, unless they pay a "user fee" to a third party is gangster activity. Which is completely understandable, considering how the unions got their start.

And, as to the rest of your reply... If you believe using a harsh and demeaning tone bolsters your position, you are quite wrong. It only goes to more deeply ingrain my opinion of unions. You think you can always get your way, through bullying and strongarm tactics. Sorry pal, but I believe Wisconsin's legislature just disproved that and cut the legs out from under your beloved unions.

Hmmm... "The Walking Fox"... Hoffa was last seen, in 1975, out front of the "Red Fox" restaurant...

Wow! He is alive! Hoffa is here on ATS!


edit on 13-3-2011 by WTFover because: Adjectives are your friends



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Uhm ??? Because that's what the "taxpayers" pay them to do ??? Not the unions. The taxpayers.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by WTFover


And, as to the rest of your reply... If you believe using a harsh and demeaning tone bolsters your position, you are quite wrong. It only goes to more deeply ingrain my opinion of unions. You think you can always get your way, through bullying and strongarm tactics. Sorry pal, but I believe Wisconsin's legislature just disproved that and cut the legs out from under your beloved unions.



This movement has only just started with the alliance of nonunion working men and women, farmers and union employees. A sleeping giant has awakened...The American working man now sees the GOP agenda of preferential treatment for corporations, tax rebates, subsidies all funded by the people that actually do the work.
Talk about theft! The GOP is in the process of committing political suicide. Thank you Gov. Walker!

www.youtube.com...




Look at all those TAXPAYERS in the process of uniting against the war on the middle class. Want class warfare WTFover? Bring it....Gov. Walker started it but the American working man will finish it.

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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Locked down?



minnesota.publicradio.org...



npaper-wehaa.com...#?article=1175775




www.newsday.com...

The last pic is from an article titled "Police Remove Protesters From Wisconsin Capitol". But, the very first sentence of the article begins "Police carried dozens of protesters from a hallway..." A hallway. Not the Capitol.

I think the pics (just a few among many) completely dispel the ridiculous notion that the Wisconsin Capitol was locked down. But hey, it makes for a good soundbite, doesn't it. It would probably be much more accurate to report on people entering the Capitol building, via the tunnel, to protect themselves from the protesters. People are trying to make it sound like Walker built the tunnel with his own hands, since taking office on Jan. 3rd., just for this purpose.

But, actually, this thread is about the extortion letters sent to businesses, who employ working people union and non-union. Threats to, potentially, harm many for the good of a few. Threats made by the WPPA and WPFF, which represent people who hold positions of trust, within the communities of Wisconsin. A trust that has been violated.
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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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November 2, 2010
Scott Walker 1,128,159 52%
Tom Barrett 1,005,008 47%

This is what democracy looks like.



One person. One vote. This is what democracy looks like.

Wis. Democrats Flee To Prevent Vote On Union Bill

www.npr.org...

This is not what democracy looks like.

Eau Claire location investigated for bomb threat hours after Walker spoke


www.piercecountyherald.com...

This not what democracy looks like.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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WTFover, you know that would almost be funny, except that picture you chose to use showing the capitol full of people came from FEB. 18th, nearly a MONTH AGO. But good job, it's a page straight from the neo-con/FOX play book, to reuse OLD photos to show CURRENT events. FYI, this photo was from BEFORE the capitol building was locked down, and BEFORE people realized Walker was ushering in LOBBYISTS via a tunnel from a neighboring bank to secret meetings while LOCKING out the entire assembly.

The lockdown went into effect MARCH 1st.

Constitutionally questionable: DOA bars protesters from Capitol


Capitol Police kept more than 1,000 protesters at bay Monday, locking down the statehouse and allowing only a few dozen inside to meet with lawmakers.

Officials with the Department of Administration said they closed the Capitol to help with the cleaning of the building and could not open the doors to the public because some protesters inside the rotunda refused to limit their activities to the ground floor.

The decision seemed to run counter to Capitol tradition and the spirit of the state Constitution, which says officials cannot prohibit individuals from entering the Capitol or its grounds. Those gathered outside were not happy.



Wisconsin legislators move desks out of Capitol locked down by governor


Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is so determined to shut down debate on his proposal to strip collective bargaining rights from state, county and municipal employees and teachers that he has effectively locked down the state Capitol.

A judge has ordered the governor and his aides to open the Capitol.

Obviously shaken by the popular rejection of his proposal-which has sparked protests across the state, including one that drew more than 100,000 people to Madison last Saturday-the governor and his aides have failed to comply with the order. Instead, they have restricted access so severely that, in the words of former Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager, they make a mockery of the state's tradition of open and accessible government


By May 4, protesters began re-entering the building, but only as far as the entrance, the assembly chambers still remain locked out.

More on the Lobbyists/tunnel:

WI Firefighters Spark "Move Your Money" Moment


The sedate, old fashioned M&I Bank on the Capitol Square has gained some notoriety in recent weeks. Oddly, a tunnel in the M&I parking garage links to the capitol basement. Dubbed the "rat hole to the Walker palace", the tunnel was used by Governor Scott Walker to ferry lobbyists into the capitol building to hear his budget address during a time when the capitol was in a virtual lock down in defiance of a court order and after Sheriffs has quit the building refusing to be a "palace guard."


Scott Walker Down the Rat Hole with the Palace Guard


Faced with the problem of getting his supporters in to the Assembly Chamber on Tuesday, the governor and his guard escorted a cadre of lobbyists and well-heeled friends through a utility tunnel that runs from a parking lot across the street, under the capitol grounds to the capitol basement. Madison City Council woman Shiva Bidar-Sielaff heard that the tunnel might be being used for this purpose and went to check it out. She found about a dozen police officers guarding the tunnel entrance, some from Milwaukee, some in suits with unknown insignia. She witnessed an unmarked police vehicle screech into the garage. Out stepped the First Lady, Tonnett Walker, who was hustled into the tunnel as if the parking garage was under attack. "It was all very 'Men in Black,'" the City Council woman said with a laugh who watched with a handful of other observers. Other Walker supporters had been bused in earlier; the bus signs and arrows were still up on the walls.



Now personally maybe I'm making too big a deal ot of this, if Walker want's to cater to lobbyists and big-money interests while locking out the assembly chambers and capitol while the GOP and their PR machine at FOX "news" vilify working men and women engaged in peaceful protests and boycotts, while I suppose it's only curbing our freedoms by just a smidgen - and what's a smidgen here and there right? I't not like they're going to take away ALL our rights...?
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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?


Oh, I don't know.

How about because it's their job????


They are public servants first, before they are union members, and not the other way around.

For anyone that thinks otherwise, this is the exact reason for busting a union.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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I've seen first hand, in the gaming industry, paid shills who will do and say anything for a buck. These bottom feeders are on the same level as the "experts" who testified for OJ Simpson. Their sole objective is to muddy the waters with disinformation, conjecture and bold-faced lies. They don't want casino employees to organize for one simple reason: Greed. It's the same with any industry. Sure there is corruption with any organization including unions but it is blown way out of proportion by the the biggest, most corrupt, hypocritical aholes who are scared and stingy.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Ahem, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PUBLIC SERVICE PROFESSIONS SHOULD NOT UNIONIZE!!!!!

Sorry, didn't mean to shout. But if this is what happens when there are issues with public service unions, then it is a clear example of why they shouldn't be unionized in the first place. If they want to hold the public hostage for their own ends, then it is time to abolish said public unions.

I, for one, am disgusted by their continued behaviour.


i'm disgusted with your ignorance of history...go read a book about WHY the unions were formed. the abuses of the wealthy and powerful are well-documented.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?


Oh, I don't know.

How about because it's their job????


They are public servants first, before they are union members, and not the other way around.

For anyone that thinks otherwise, this is the exact reason for busting a union.



because it's their job? well, whatever your job is, i think you should work for minimum wage, pay for your own benefits, and if you get hurt or injured on the job, tough crap, we'll just throw you out on the street and leave you...



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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First off i am a firefighter in Wisconsin and as a state union we did not back Scott walker for gov, the only fire and police union that did back walker was the Milwaukee police and fire. Now you have a republican majority that has decided to make a power move and destroy public unions. Why you might ask because unions historically support and donate to the democrats. You destroy the unions you destroy the democrats. Simple isn't it, now the reason for boycotts is simple as well if they want to hit the democrats in the pocket book then why not hit them right back in there pocket book. This levels the playing field and sends a message you can take away our rights but you cannot take away our votes. This is simply put fighting fire with fire. I don't see anything wrong with this. Another point no police or fire will neglect to protect and serve these business that goes against everything we believe and would also be blatant disregard and a black eye on our profession. What we do personally is different that is our right as Americans.
edit on 13-3-2011 by Tomyj04 because: I forgot to address neglecting our duties as sworn public servants



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?


Oh, I don't know.

How about because it's their job????


They are public servants first, before they are union members, and not the other way around.

For anyone that thinks otherwise, this is the exact reason for busting a union.



because it's their job? well, whatever your job is, i think you should work for minimum wage, pay for your own benefits, and if you get hurt or injured on the job, tough crap, we'll just throw you out on the street and leave you...


Yes, it's their job first to serve the public - the people who's taxes pay their salaries.


The rest of your description is exactly what the rest of the country's non-union employees do since they don't have the expensive sweetheart benefits deals the union workers get.

But then, unlike many union members, most have them do still have jobs that weren't shipped overseas due to high union labor costs.
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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Here's something I noticed from watching the videos. Some members of the Wisconsin legislature also mentioned it.

A big part of the protest crowds were University of Wisconsin students, and not union workers.

The hypocrisy of this is that most of the students when they graduate will end up in white collar - non-union jobs and likely will be part of the management that union members like to rant against.

Take away all the students just looking for a reason to skip class, and the protests aren't so big after all.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Yeah its amazing how college students educated unlike our drop out governor with his fancy high school degree can think for themselves and see the big picture. There is hope for our country! I was down in Madison protesting myself there were all walks of life among the 100,000+ people in protest oh and there were also like 1000 people in favor of this bill.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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OK I think I get it now. Unions are corrupt and therefore should be destroyed.
But isn't big business corrupt?
It sure seems like the government is corrupt.
Hmmm... who to go after first, and hardest?
The government is in bed with big business, feeding each others corruption...
but the unions are corrupt to.
The government and big business have a huge portion of the wealth and power over the unions.
They are all corrupt.
Who to go after first....??

Tough one.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Here's something I noticed from watching the videos. Some members of the Wisconsin legislature also mentioned it.

A big part of the protest crowds were University of Wisconsin students, and not union workers.

The hypocrisy of this is that most of the students when they graduate will end up in white collar - non-union jobs and likely will be part of the management that union members like to rant against.

Take away all the students just looking for a reason to skip class, and the protests aren't so big after all.


Students? Nice try. Walkers plan is unraveling as the working men and women unite. Now the lawyers are going to tie up this legislation and make Walker look like a fool/tool for the Koch bros as they go over his campaign contributions with a fine tooth comb. I'll bet the Democrats are dancing in the streets, thankful that Walker opened up this can of worms. They needed something to rally around and walker gave it to all wrapped up with a pretty bow.


www.youtube.com...


and please no more threatening U2Us
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posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Unions play by the rules set fourth by the government. Business get rules and regulations changed for money for profit. All unions do is take care of there own. Business do the same while stepping on whomever to get what they want. There are far more business lobbyist in dc and state capitals then there are union lobbyist. The days of unions killing and sabotaging to get what they want are long gone. If you disagree, explain how unions are corrupt? I think we can all agree that big corp is corrupt.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Tomyj04
If you disagree, explain how unions are corrupt? I think we can all agree that big corp is corrupt.


I think that perhaps you should read my post again and take in the entire context. I am afraid you focused on one line without fully understanding the point.



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