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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
It's not theft, it's a user's fee.
Originally posted by WTFover
And, as to the rest of your reply... If you believe using a harsh and demeaning tone bolsters your position, you are quite wrong. It only goes to more deeply ingrain my opinion of unions. You think you can always get your way, through bullying and strongarm tactics. Sorry pal, but I believe Wisconsin's legislature just disproved that and cut the legs out from under your beloved unions.
Capitol Police kept more than 1,000 protesters at bay Monday, locking down the statehouse and allowing only a few dozen inside to meet with lawmakers.
Officials with the Department of Administration said they closed the Capitol to help with the cleaning of the building and could not open the doors to the public because some protesters inside the rotunda refused to limit their activities to the ground floor.
The decision seemed to run counter to Capitol tradition and the spirit of the state Constitution, which says officials cannot prohibit individuals from entering the Capitol or its grounds. Those gathered outside were not happy.
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is so determined to shut down debate on his proposal to strip collective bargaining rights from state, county and municipal employees and teachers that he has effectively locked down the state Capitol.
A judge has ordered the governor and his aides to open the Capitol.
Obviously shaken by the popular rejection of his proposal-which has sparked protests across the state, including one that drew more than 100,000 people to Madison last Saturday-the governor and his aides have failed to comply with the order. Instead, they have restricted access so severely that, in the words of former Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager, they make a mockery of the state's tradition of open and accessible government
The sedate, old fashioned M&I Bank on the Capitol Square has gained some notoriety in recent weeks. Oddly, a tunnel in the M&I parking garage links to the capitol basement. Dubbed the "rat hole to the Walker palace", the tunnel was used by Governor Scott Walker to ferry lobbyists into the capitol building to hear his budget address during a time when the capitol was in a virtual lock down in defiance of a court order and after Sheriffs has quit the building refusing to be a "palace guard."
Faced with the problem of getting his supporters in to the Assembly Chamber on Tuesday, the governor and his guard escorted a cadre of lobbyists and well-heeled friends through a utility tunnel that runs from a parking lot across the street, under the capitol grounds to the capitol basement. Madison City Council woman Shiva Bidar-Sielaff heard that the tunnel might be being used for this purpose and went to check it out. She found about a dozen police officers guarding the tunnel entrance, some from Milwaukee, some in suits with unknown insignia. She witnessed an unmarked police vehicle screech into the garage. Out stepped the First Lady, Tonnett Walker, who was hustled into the tunnel as if the parking garage was under attack. "It was all very 'Men in Black,'" the City Council woman said with a laugh who watched with a handful of other observers. Other Walker supporters had been bused in earlier; the bus signs and arrows were still up on the walls.
Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211
Ahem, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PUBLIC SERVICE PROFESSIONS SHOULD NOT UNIONIZE!!!!!
Sorry, didn't mean to shout. But if this is what happens when there are issues with public service unions, then it is a clear example of why they shouldn't be unionized in the first place. If they want to hold the public hostage for their own ends, then it is time to abolish said public unions.
I, for one, am disgusted by their continued behaviour.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?
Oh, I don't know.
How about because it's their job????
They are public servants first, before they are union members, and not the other way around.
For anyone that thinks otherwise, this is the exact reason for busting a union.
Originally posted by jimmyx
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Garfee
You make me sick. Unions act for their members and in this case the members are public servants, including police and fire brigade. If you don't want to support your police or fire brigage then they should they save your business from theft or burning?
Oh, I don't know.
How about because it's their job????
They are public servants first, before they are union members, and not the other way around.
For anyone that thinks otherwise, this is the exact reason for busting a union.
because it's their job? well, whatever your job is, i think you should work for minimum wage, pay for your own benefits, and if you get hurt or injured on the job, tough crap, we'll just throw you out on the street and leave you...
Originally posted by centurion1211
Here's something I noticed from watching the videos. Some members of the Wisconsin legislature also mentioned it.
A big part of the protest crowds were University of Wisconsin students, and not union workers.
The hypocrisy of this is that most of the students when they graduate will end up in white collar - non-union jobs and likely will be part of the management that union members like to rant against.
Take away all the students just looking for a reason to skip class, and the protests aren't so big after all.
Originally posted by Tomyj04
If you disagree, explain how unions are corrupt? I think we can all agree that big corp is corrupt.