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Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl Sparks Racial Tensions in Texas Town

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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
Heh. I get to be heartless again!

Castration alone isn't far enough. It should be done with a sardine can lid. A rusty one. By a drunk with shaky hands.

It's not about revenge.

Your comment is both somewhat funny, and absurd.

The crime is absolutely inexcusable, but the kind of society you are describing is abhorrant.

As other's have pointed out, there could be more to the story than meets the eye.

Regardless, this type of lust for vengeance and of an eye for an eye, it's barbaric imho. Doesn't really solve anything, and certainly doesn't address the evil at the heart of the problem, but instead, only propogates in in various subtle ways, infecting the rest of society, and I just think that's crazy, to give it that kind of power instead of looking at the systemic causes for a solution to the problem.

We are so modern and evolved in so many ways, and yet still so barbaric in so many others.




posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

This is where we differ. I can't see them as victims unless they too were unwillingly having their bodies violated by the body parts of others. So far, I've seen nothing to indicate that was the case. I reserve victimhood for those who are actually violated.



Ever hear of "projection?'

Think about that.

Wonderful posts. They have been a pleasure to read.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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I think it was as traumatizing for the boys as the girl.

Who knows how willing anyone was to do what.


I can sort of understand the effects of peer pressure, but I don't think it factors in here, since most of these attackers were not "peers" to the jr high schooler. I've never been prone to attacks of peer pressure, which is why I can only "sort of" understand it.

It still does not excuse an attack of this nature. Caving in to "peer pressure" that harms yourself is a whole 'nuther thing from caving in and harming someone else.

Perhaps one good thing to come of it is that now folks know who NOT to count on when the chips are down. Every damned one of them was in on the attack, which makes every damned one of them a predator. Whether they were in a pack at the time or not is irrelevant - it only aggravates the situation even more.

One other thing - due to the mechanics of the hydraulics involved, how could any of the boys have been forced against their wills?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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I could be wrong: That the age of consent in Denmark, or Sweden is 12 years old.


In the holy righteous vatican city it is 12 years old .
I was shocked when I saw that , makes you think .



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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I think there was probably more than peer pressure. Go along with the plan, of get your butt whooped hard was probably the deal. We are talking boys verses men, in what may be a very rough neighborhood.

I am not sure if there is any clarification as to who did what. When you are fourteen, you are all hormones. Hard to control things. Don't care to think about it any more.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by nenothtu
Heh. I get to be heartless again!

Castration alone isn't far enough. It should be done with a sardine can lid. A rusty one. By a drunk with shaky hands.

It's not about revenge.

Your comment is both somewhat funny, and absurd.

The crime is absolutely inexcusable, but the kind of society you are describing is abhorrant.


Perhaps to you. The kind of society where this sort of thing is encouraged is what is abhorrent to ME. The kind of society I describe would have a lot less of it.



As other's have pointed out, there could be more to the story than meets the eye.


I'm sure there is. How much more to the story would it take to excuse it to you?



Regardless, this type of lust for vengeance and of an eye for an eye, it's barbaric imho. Doesn't really solve anything, and certainly doesn't address the evil at the heart of the problem, but instead, only propogates in in various subtle ways, infecting the rest of society, and I just think that's crazy, to give it that kind of power instead of looking at the systemic causes for a solution to the problem.


Yeah, I'm barbaric. I also get results. Again, it's NOT about "vengeance", since no amount of vengeance will undo what has been done. It's about deterrence. Why have YOUR solutions which "address the evil at the heart of the problem" produced results amenable to the problem, rather than inimical to it?

How would these gents ever do this again with their "equipment" removed altogether, rusty sardine can lid or not? How many of them would have proceeded had they known that to be the penalty? How many in the future would proceed with the same without a second thought, knowing the penalty these received? Some, sure. Some people are just beyond stupid. Most guys that I know, however, are pretty damned protective of those bits, and wouldn't much care to endanger them like that.



We are so modern and evolved in so many ways, and yet still so barbaric in so many others.


I'm apparently not very modern or evolved. I'll take "barbaric" for a thousand.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Right on. I'm a white guy, had nothing to do with slavery and carry no white guilt. I agree with you 100% that the elitist scum thrive by keeping the livestock hating each other instead of hating who is REALLY screwing them. How effectively they shake up our jar and make us fight as they laugh and take more and more...

Regardless of their skin color, they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law (and each broom sticked for an extended period of time).
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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nenothtu
 


I think there was probably more than peer pressure. Go along with the plan, of get your butt whooped hard was probably the deal. We are talking boys verses men, in what may be a very rough neighborhood.

I am not sure if there is any clarification as to who did what. When you are fourteen, you are all hormones. Hard to control things. Don't care to think about it any more.



Fair enough.

Some boys are rather exceptional in what they will stand up against, others are not. Miyamoto Musashi killed his first grown man in a duel in 17th century Japan at age 13. I believe he even used a wooden training sword for that feat. He wasn't concerned with his opponents age or the fact that he was armed with steel. One of my ancestors was patrolling as a scout and ranger and fighting grown men during the Revolution when he was 14 years old. He wasn't concerned with the age of his opponents, either. Those boys knew what needed done, and did it. Sadly, instances like those are exceptions rather than the rule, and often even grown men won't stand up against adversity these days.

One more thought - not for you, but for those who think I'm "barbaric". Yeah, I don't deny my "barbarism". neither do I go around raping 11 year old girls, with or without a pack structure surrounding me. Explain to me YOUR concepts of "barbaric", and why these other near-humans should get a pass on justice. Are they just misunderstood? Are they a higher class of barbarian?

Or do you just think they should be given a free ride, with room and board included, at society's expense since they've demonstrated an inability to get along in society?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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18 boys and one girl. Yep, sadly this is Texas alright!



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Mr_skepticc
Complete society meltdown when out of the at least 18 men we know of, not "ONE" had the decency or care to try and stop it, or call the police!


All of them, they all need to be castrated, THAT is a punishment I will support. They should be punished for their actions, and you what, I believe castration will be for the safety of possibly future victims as well.


SG, the 2012 predictions MUST be true. The world is nearing it's end. It MUST be, if I find myself in agreement with you!


Can you begin to comprehend just what it took out of me to star this post?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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People are actually giving those scumbags the benefit of doubt?

Peer pressure? PLEASE!


If they get off due to some political correctness someone needs to take these scumbags out - forget race, forget age of the individuals - THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

No forgiveness on my part. Throw them in a pit, pour in some gas and light a match.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Don't get mad because I exposed your own ignorance - you become angry because someone uses stereotypes and then turn around and do the same thing. Do you have data to support your argument? Of course not.

How typical....



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by irsuccubus
Holy Schnikes! Now the Arab card has been pulled ladies and gents! Hurry Hurry...watch in amazement as the floodgates of idiocy burst even wider and the NIMBY's have their day! Step right up! Don't be Shy...the circus is in town!


Wow, even better - Now you get to be the sole determining factor as to who represent idiocy and who doesn't. You must be really smart!



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by irsuccubus
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The point he seems to miss is that it doesn't matter if that little girl came around and did a fandance.....she is not in a place to call the shots. And the fact that the NY times would add in that she liked to dress mature and wear a lot of makeup just goes to show that Poet's stance is not a unique one. You know this ties in to our chick rantings, lol. Lets blame the victim! Obviously a girl who wasn't dragged out of a room full of teddy bears kicking and screaming must be up to no good. YES...little girls on the cusp of adolescence get curious. Yes the idea of teenage boys throwing them a smile or two or talking some good stuff can be a heady thing, particularly to girls who grow up in environments where there are not enough adept female role models to teach her how to navigate these things. But there were GROWN MEN in this situation. Even if some of them were underage...there were enough adults in that situation to know that what was going on was wrong. Thats why they fled when the aunt or whatever came home.

I will be the first to admit.....in some occasions...females (usually adult women) say stop when they mean go. But I dont think that any of the adult males in that situation were confused for one second about what that little girl wanted or the rightness of that situation. Standing in line for a gangbang can give you plenty of time to think.


Like whether or not her no really means no, right?
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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I hear what you are saying, but where are her parents?????? This child has no concept of responsibility, caution, and clearly had no fear. She is a CHILD!!!



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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I have to say, that in the white blue collar neighborhood where I grew up, this would not have happened.

We had a great deal of freedom. Most of us ran the neighborhood without parental control, and that includes the girls, and no girl was ever raped, or taken advantage of, like this 11 year old girl was abused by 19 year olds. Girls were treated with respect. Sure, there was plenty of teenage sex, but age differentials like this were not acceptable. Two years difference was considered to be the max, although those lines were blurred a bit, depending on the boy and girl. No boy want to share their girl with other boys, let alone men.

It leads one to make some serious questions about cultural perspective.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
reply to post by Erno86
 


I could be wrong: That the age of consent in Denmark, or Sweden is 12 years old.


You are wrong. The age of consent is 15, and both countries have a qualification that states that if one person is older or is more experienced in life, the age of consent is 18.



In the holy righteous vatican city it is 12 years old .
I was shocked when I saw that , makes you think .


The age of consent in the Vatican is the same as in Italy, ie 14.


As for the original topic and some replies in this thread, I just can't understand that normal, intelligent adults can blame an 11 year old child for being raped. It's the old 'she made them do it' defense, so popular with men who think that if you are in a position to rape someone, you would be dumb not to.

Sad...



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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According to ancient history, castrated black Enoch's, that guarded Arabian harem's, could still produce, and maintain an erection. Look at gelded horses. They may have lost the desire too mate, but they still have the ability to produce an erection.

I feel your anger, at these lowlife's that forcibly raped that 11 year old girl. But the girl could have possibly had a case of black penis envy.

I think that you have taken this castration theme a bit to far. Castration is cruel and inhumane punishment, though I know that you want to relieve these guy's of there pent-up desires.

I know, that you are a concerned father, and I'm not calling you a racist; but down in the south, they used to lynch teenage black men, for just whistling at a white girl.

Therefore, since the majority of our prison population are black,[doesn't matter, whether black or white], it would stigmatize our U.S. society by emasculating these black child rapists. If this institution of castration was implemented, I would call for mass public protest against this barbarity.


Erno86


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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86
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I feel your anger, at these lowlife's that forcibly raped that 11 year old girl. But the girl could have possibly had a case of black penis envy.


It doesn't matter! Even if she was naked, oiling herself up, egging them on and handing out numbers to the guys standing in line... A child cannot consent to sex.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Its bull# that 8 guys dont have comment sense in knowing she is 11 year old girl. Propaganda is making people accelerated in sex cravings, thats why it happen?. consider porn indeed and the manifastation of i am black and have more than that man should be consider and exsecuted from Peoples Devices and Social Life and exsecute those criminals and Lest Fix Life just like that saying sads (Heart That Doesnt See Doesnt Feel) the Devils Home is Earth so he dont like that type of bull#... loose or fair

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