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Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl Sparks Racial Tensions in Texas Town

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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Instead of speaking in politically correct slogans and shouting down people who say things you suspect are false, you can always go to FBI crime statistics to prove your point that Blacks do not commit any more violent crimes (rape) than do whites. From a quick search I did, here are the violent crime rates of Blacks versus Whites by year through 2007. In 2007 Blacks committed violent crime at almost twice the amount as did Whites. Given the difference in the size of populations (black equal about 10% of the population and whites about 75%) it is clear that the statement the poster made was not racist, rather it was true. Blacks do commit more violent crimes, inclusive of rape, than do Whites.

Here's the link: bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...




posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by MrWhite665
Its ironic that the Marxist media doesn't mention blacks raping women but does anyone remember The Duke rape case? A black accused whites of rape & the Marxist media went nuts!

Its not RACISM just REALISM!


So...when a white man rapes a white woman, they should also make sure to say they were white?

Why does race matter? rape is rape..child molestation is child molestation..a crime is a crime.

As far as addressing the issue of racial crime statistics, well, those are written down, but frankly, if you want to do a statistical look at who rapes more, white or black, you may not want that answer if I am judging your viewpoint of the world properly.

But anyhow..ya, so should every crime be also given the color or skintone of the criminal(s)? What would that serve overall?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Instead of speaking in politically correct slogans and shouting down people who say things you suspect are false, you can always go to FBI crime statistics to prove your point that Blacks do not commit any more violent crimes (rape) than do whites. From a quick search I did, here are the violent crime rates of Blacks versus Whites by year through 2007. In 2007 Blacks committed violent crime at almost twice the amount as did Whites. Given the difference in the size of populations (black equal about 10% of the population and whites about 75%) it is clear that the statement the poster made was not racist, rather it was true. Blacks do commit more violent crimes, inclusive of rape, than do Whites.

Here's the link: bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...


Yes, reported convicted crimes.
However, ask any psychologist...you will find most rape cases are not reported. alot of white rape crimes fall into that gray area date rape sort of rape (not, as whoopie goldburg calls "rape rape").

It is said 1 in every 10 is filed and actually convicted. 9 just shrug it off and go on with life. Statistics in this area are all but meaningless.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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You know, I have been the target of some pretty serious brown on white racism in my life. You are preaching to the choir with me when it comes to the idea that whites by FAR are not the only racists.

But that doesnt excuse the racism towards blacks that happened in this thread. And the racist comments towards blacks in this thread or anywhere, doesnt justify racism towards whites in this thread or anywhere.

Here is a newsflash for all racists, sexists, whatever. What ever may have happened to you, does not excuse you for becoming a racist or sexist yourself. There is no moral high ground for racism and sexism, or any ism. If you are doing it, you are just as bad as the assholes you hate.

Period. No exceptions.

Grow the hell up and judge individual people based on their individual merits or failings.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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You can't treat a race as one organization, like a country, or a religion, it doesn't work that way. They all have different views, opinions and feelings over things like this. Let's say, everyone is one race. The facts are, 18 men gang raped an 11 year old girl, and it should be treated as such, without even acknowledging their race. Their race doesn't make the crime better or worse.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Instead of speaking in politically correct slogans and shouting down people who say things you suspect are false, you can always go to FBI crime statistics to prove your point that Blacks do not commit any more violent crimes (rape) than do whites.


My argument was not over the number crimes blacks commit against whites, argument was this excuse that we need to stereotype black males or look at them differently just because of statistics. 80% of pedophiles are white males, so what does that mean for white makes in general? It means nothing because they are not all the same.

Now by all means throw statistics out, and then maybe you can come out an be clear about how you feel being around any black male, and feel free to come and say you are racist, nobody is forcing you to hide.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Why do racists need to hide on this forum Saturn? They are among friends sho what's the problem? Why can't they simply come out any say it?

"I feel uncomfortable being around black males because statistically they are prone to rape, black males are tribalistic"

Just come out and say it. You have an issue with black people, thats that, say it straight, stop throwing around statistics and then run away expecting not to be called out.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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We have had a problem with racist hate crimes in this country from time to time, as you know. We also have a lot of race baiting. That is why the government keeps racial statistics and why it matters if there are patterns of violent racism so we can address it.

In Texas it was black racists from the Nation of Islam who made this crime into a racial issue - like they always do in Houston. They blamed the victim and claimed if it were a black girl or white offenders, it would have been no big deal to law enforcement which is a raicst lie. They also claimed the white/Hispanic kid was a slut and wanted to be raped by 28 men and boys. Also that it was her mother's fault she got raped. All this is very viscious and it is racially motivated.

In addition, we have a strong Muslim influence going on here in the Black community and gang rape of infidels (non-Mulsims) and especially whites (because of the Nation of Islam) is considered a big deal because innocent women are victimized by this crap too often in Texas. We have had cases of sex slave business going on in Houston.

I would agree that in most cases, unless something racist is said in the commission of a crime, race is not impacting the crime. A thug is just a thug.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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There are a lot of double standards of racism go on with liberals in the US.

The truth is, racism does turn violent and no matter the color of the racist, that all racism must be rejected equally and understood to be dangerous in equality. The Nation of Islam's racist pigs would not feel so big prancing on the scene of this crime and cauing racial division, if that double standard for racsim did not exist. We have managed to sideline the KKK through a united rejection of Whtie hate; but we have not done the same to black hate. The "diversity" race mob make a bunch of excuses for it and name anyone who will not make excuses into racists. It is why we have not made prgoress beyond race in the US.

Pretty mental! But it is a great example of why America is so screwed up and divided.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Grow the hell up and judge individual people based on their individual merits or failings.


Hey , you are the one who asked for numbers and stats to back up some of the claims that were being made by other posters , BEFORE I got involved in all of this :


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I would like to point out that NO ONE including you, has linked to any valid statistics or studies to support your claim.



So , don't come back around and try to reproach me for simply giving you what YOU asked for .

Maybe it's YOU who needs to "grow the hell up" and face reality .

And stop labeling people as racists just because they provide you with information that conflicts with your politically-correct attitude . Information which , by the way , you ASKED for .


edit on 11-3-2011 by ReRun because: eta



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Blackism is the main social problem in the US, it's the black equivilant of Jihadism. It's a fact blacks commit more crime than whites, and violent crimes too, it's also true that most interracial crime have a white victim. For some biased agenda, our government downplays blaickist crimes, yet has a field day whenever a white commits a so-called "hate crime", there is an obvious anti-white agenda here that our Gov is doing. When these gang rape stories or mob attack stories come out, 99.9 out 100 they are going to be black criminals. Blackism is a crime love mental retardation that believes crime is the culture of being black, and to sing and praise crime and killing, drug dealin', and raping, and to make this a glorified image for their children to live up to, and anyone against blackist crime is a white racist, and so these blackist agitators like Sharpton, NOI, NBPP, ect, want their blackist followers to believe all blacks are automatically innocent, because crime is their nature, and their civil rights are being attacked if some honky racist expects them to adhere to the honky land law. Now, like Islamic Jihadists, this is a small element of the entire black community, but like the Jihadists it is big enough to leave many dead and violated people and fill our prisons, and make society unsafe. We need more anti-blackist blacks to stand up, and reject this blackism, and we need to stop the allowance of it's media praise and government pandering to it, because it's poison that fills these youths heads, and makes them praise crime, carry a gat and slang cane, and believe it's their racial nature to do so.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Just come out and say it. You have an issue with black people, thats that, say it straight, stop throwing around statistics and then run away expecting not to be called out.


So , are you saying that all of the people and agencies who report on crime and compile these stats are all racists ?

Am I to assume that only white people work in these job sectors ?

Or could it be that you are too biased yourself , to acknowledge the truth of the matter ?

More people get bitten by dogs each year than people who get bitten by horses . Does that mean I have "an issue" with dogs ?

Your argument is the epitome of ignorance .



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Instead of speaking in politically correct slogans and shouting down people who say things you suspect are false, you can always go to FBI crime statistics to prove your point that Blacks do not commit any more violent crimes (rape) than do whites. From a quick search I did, here are the violent crime rates of Blacks versus Whites by year through 2007. In 2007 Blacks committed violent crime at almost twice the amount as did Whites. Given the difference in the size of populations (black equal about 10% of the population and whites about 75%) it is clear that the statement the poster made was not racist, rather it was true. Blacks do commit more violent crimes, inclusive of rape, than do Whites.

Here's the link: bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...


Yes, reported convicted crimes.
However, ask any psychologist...you will find most rape cases are not reported. alot of white rape crimes fall into that gray area date rape sort of rape (not, as whoopie goldburg calls "rape rape").

It is said 1 in every 10 is filed and actually convicted. 9 just shrug it off and go on with life. Statistics in this area are all but meaningless.


Wow, talk about delusional. When presented with factual data that shuts the door on your beliefs you attempt to rationalize it away by saying there must be many unreported rapes by just white people. The real world is waiting for whenever you want to join us.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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I didnt "want" statistics. I just "want" people to support their claims if they are going to make them.

In doing so, you learn. By seeing your source, I learned. I learned that white racists aggregate data that shows blacks commit more of some crimes. I learned that that data comes from some fairly reputable sources, and I learned that I would have to look into the matter a lot more to find out how accurately the white supremacists were using that data.

And thats why you should expect that people source claims. So you can think for yourself.

You arent wrong when you argue that some blacks are every bit as racist as some whites. I could not agree more. I have no patience for white haters. I just also have no patience for racist whites.

"He/she started it" is not an excuse. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and words.

Honestly? You dont seem like a horrible person. But thats even more reason to work like hell to keep racism at bay. The human brain wants to find shortcuts to keep itself safe. For untold numbers of years, you really were safer if you preferred people who looked like you. Because we were tribal, and there was a lot of inter-tribe warfare. But now we are a tribe of many colors, and we still need to discriminate to keep ourselves safe. We just need to discriminate based on ACTIONS, not features. You cant tell for sure anymore who your ally is by their skin color or features.

Clothes, sometimes thats still a good guide. Because people make statements about themselves with their clothes. They advertise who they are or who they want to be. I wouldnt walk up and hang out with a bunch of thuggish looking males of any color. But the things a person cannot change should not be used to judge them.

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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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I have tried to stay out of the racism side of this issue, but I have to say, this is an excellent summary on your part of the bigger problem with race relations around the planet.

My biggest problem with liberalism is that there are those who have too much influence who embrace the idea that a bigoted attitude towards whites and males, is acceptable.

I would go as far to say that this is the biggest cause of our current political divide in the U.S..



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by ReRun


More people get bitten by dogs each year than people who get bitten by horses . Does that mean I have "an issue" with dogs ?



Umm well. More people getting bitten by dogs each year doesnt mean dogs are "worse" than horses.

More people have CONTACT with dogs than horses every year, and if you adjust your data, you might find out that horses actually bite more often than dogs.

Thats the point. That how you put your data together is VERY important. Statistics dont lie, but people can use statistics to say just about anything they want if they are clever enough and willing to take liberties with their methodology.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl Sparks Racial Tensions in Texas Town


abcnews.go.com

The alleged gang rape of an 11-year-old girl by at least 18 boys and young men has sparked shame and outrage in a tiny Texas town, but it has also stirred racial tensions that threaten to split the East Texas hamlet.

All of the defendants arrested are African-American and the girl is Hispanic.

But I do not believe black males are the only ones that had contact with this young child," said Quanell X, the leader of Houston's New Black Panther Party. "It appears to me there's only been the s
(visit the link for the full news article)



Personally for the record, I long felt that the unchecked immigration(both legal and illegal) was an attempt by TPTB to wipe out African American's. Look at what happened in Los Angelos in the 90's after the riots..

Either way this is bad, but I think it would be best for Caucasian Americans to just stay out of the way if this turns violent.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Having gotten back from a doctors appointment and while there, having time to think on this more questions that are coming up as posted by several posters, and the natures of the laws here. Take out the concept of race, remove that from the entire equation of this crime to determine if this is a case of racism, and if this more of a crime or several crimes that are occurring at the same time.
Here are the facts that are stated and the different crimes that are being committed at the same time.
The first question is where was the father of the child, if the mother was in the hospital, and why was he not watching this child?
And those who were filming this event, why did they not stop or even prevent such from happening? Why did they allow it to happen? Even though they may not have participated in the crime itself, they did watch the event, and did send it out to the different cell phones, thus committing another crime. And what of the people who did the actual crime, what of them, as such is clearly against the law and the children who received the videos, and sending it around. All of these are clearly crimes that have occurred and they have to start with the starting the acts its self. Those individuals will need to be arrested, as they have been, and then they will be offered deals to turn in others who either were there participating or watching or filming. Those who sent out the video are guilty for distributing child pornography, and those possessing such are guilty of possessing such. Even the father of the girl is guilty of neglect and potentially abandonment of his child, for allowing this to happen. So there you have it in a nutshell, without race, without question of race. Those who are on the video are guilty as the video shows them committing the actions, those who sent out the video, are guilty of sending it out and those who received it, are guilty for possession. Any one of these people had the opportunity to do the right thing and chose not to do such. They can not cry about it being no fair, they can not say it is racially bias, nor can they state they are being unfairly targeted. All they can do is blame them selves for their own actions, and failing to take the correct action in the eyes of the law.
There is one final question that needs to be asked and should be. What if any one of these individuals being accused, what if any one of them decided to do the correct thing, would they have made an equally big deal about such?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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And as long as the bigoted elites can continue to convince young black people that they are justified in being angry, that they aren't given a fair chance, so their crime is justified, they can keep morphing this country into a police state.

Whose agenda is being served? Religious fanatics tend to be very conservative. Whose interest does the Black Panthers serve?



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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If this girl ends up pregnant as a result of this gang rape, with the GOP require that she wait 72 hours, have a sonogram and then get counseling as to why she should not get an abortion?







 
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