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reply posted on 5-3-2011 @ 10:27 PM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by soficrow
...I apparently have more faith in our ancestors' powers of observation, analytical skills and intelligence than you do...

I have lots of faith in their intelligence; just not their knowledge (intelligence and knowledge are different).

I've argued before on ATS that ancient man (such as the Egyptians) were anatomically the same as us, so they had the same brains we have, and were capable of the same critical thinking and problem solving skills as us. However, they lacked our aggregated knowledge Even intelligent people today who lack knowledge can misidentify a natural phenomenon and/or incorrectly correlate it with an preceding event.

Otherwise intelligent people can be misled if they lack knowledge. It's human nature to try to create an understanding of the world around them but that understanding can only be as good as their frame of reference provide by their knowledge base.

Myths persist because such correlations are historically supported - if they weren't, they would have died out eons ago.

The ancient Greeks (who, I agree were just as intelligent as us) explained lightening as being thrown by Zeus. That Idea persisted a while.

Galileo (one of history's most intelligent people) devised a perfectly reasonable explanation for the Earth's tides that involved the Earth's daily rotation and it's revolution around the Sun -- but completely ignored the Moon. That theory persisted for a while.

Intelligent people can devise clever and intelligent explanations of the world based on what they know. Add a little extra knowledge, and those otherwise clever explanations could be found to be wrong.

You might find this thread interesting:

Science.com: China's 2 sun effect not fully explained by science.

And for what it's worth:



Several related atmospheric optical effects are fully explained by science. Sun dogs, sunset mirages, sun pillars and sun halos are all relatively common and well understood. But not this effect.

I completely agree that IF this video is real (perhaps it could have been faked, or it could have been a reflection in a window, or it could be a camera lens reflection), our present knowledge of atmospheric optical phenomena does not explain it. However, our knowledge of atmospheric phenomena is most likely by no means 100% complete.


reply posted on 5-3-2011 @ 10:59 PM by soficrow
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by soficrow
...I apparently have more faith in our ancestors' powers of observation, analytical skills and intelligence than you do...

I have lots of faith in their intelligence; just not their knowledge (intelligence and knowledge are different).

I've argued before on ATS that ancient man (such as the Egyptians) were anatomically the same as us, so they had the same brains we have, and were capable of the same critical thinking and problem solving skills as us. However, they lacked our aggregated knowledge


But they built the pyramids and stonehenges, and despite our aggregate knowledge, we can't figure out how they really did it. …I also recall something about roadmaking around Rome(?), and a particular material we cannot duplicate, also despite our aggregate knowledge.


Even intelligent people today who lack knowledge can misidentify a natural phenomenon and/or incorrectly correlate it with an preceding event.

Otherwise intelligent people can be misled if they lack knowledge. It's human nature to try to create an understanding of the world around them but that understanding can only be as good as their frame of reference provide by their knowledge base.


Agreed.


Myths persist because such correlations are historically supported - if they weren't, they would have died out eons ago.

…Intelligent people can devise clever and intelligent explanations of the world based on what they know. Add a little extra knowledge, and those otherwise clever explanations could be found to be wrong.


Agreed. But all is never as it seems, including your examples methinks.


You might find this thread interesting:

Science.com: China's 2 sun effect not fully explained by science.

And for what it's worth:



Several related atmospheric optical effects are fully explained by science. Sun dogs, sunset mirages, sun pillars and sun halos are all relatively common and well understood. But not this effect.

I completely agree that IF this video is real (perhaps it could have been faked, or it could have been a reflection in a window, or it could be a camera lens reflection), our present knowledge of atmospheric optical phenomena does not explain it. However, our knowledge of atmospheric phenomena is most likely by no means 100% complete.


ALL the videos showing this phenomenon are probably real - as the scientists also conclude - ideas of faking and reflections have been pretty much dismissed. …As it happens, I'm fairly certain I remember seeing this effect at some point it my life - granted, it could be another experience in another lifetime I remember - but there was a major catastrophe that happened around the same time, as I recall.

Seriously though, based on personal experience I know the 2 sun optical illusion is quite possible. Whether or not its appearance means anything is another question.


reply posted on 6-3-2011 @ 12:32 PM by Essan
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
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post by soficrow


I understand you are not disputing the fact that this may be due to a "natural" phenomenon. I'm just saying that this natural phenomenon could just be atmospheric optics, and be completely normal and benign.


I'd go a lot further than that - it must be a natural phenomena because no-one else on the planet saw it at the same time

It cannot be a physical body under any possible circumstance (unless it was very, very, close to the observers).

Is basic logic a lost art?

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by soficrow
...I apparently have more faith in our ancestors' powers of observation, analytical skills and intelligence than you do...

I have lots of faith in their intelligence; just not their knowledge (intelligence and knowledge are different).


Indeed, they used to think lightning was thunderbolts fired by the gods

The fact that ancients saw the same optical illusion does not change that fact it was an optical illusion.
edit on 6-3-2011 by Essan because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 11:34 AM by Topato
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask



It's probably Nibiru and not a second sun, which is why the thread's title needs to be changed (:


reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 11:39 AM by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by Topato



once again...........dont you think that the amateur astronomers the world over would have blown the whistle of all whistles over this if it was really there..........

Theres no way they could miss it.........

And whether its a Nibiru or second sun or what have you, once again......anything of that size that close would have caused the collision to end all collisions with our sun quite a while ago......
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