Second Sun on China MSM Today 3/2/2011, page 12


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reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 04:52 AM by mydarkpassenger
reply to post by hardamber



It's a sun dog: it's caused by atmospheric interference - I've seen a ton of them.


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 08:43 AM by hardamber
Originally posted by Xterrain
reply to
post by hardamber



The level of ignorance on here sometimes, blows my mind. This happens to be one of those times. Do you, or anyone else on here screaming 'Betelgeuse' or 'Second Sun' think that China has a different view point of the sun than you do? That sun you see in the sky everyday, everyone on the planet sees that sun. Every. Day. If you believe otherwise, then you ought to also know the Earth is flat, gravity only applies to apples, and the sun orbits the Earth...and specifically, my house, is the center of the universe.


Umm, wow. Here is my orignial post. "I found this just posted on youtube. Does anyone speak Chinese"?

You are accusing me of being ignorant? You are right because I don't speak Chinese and wanted to know what was spoken in this video. I made no claims of anything else.

I appreciate the translations that a couple people gave me.

This thread has been informative and I am thankful for all the scientific and photographic contributions.

I plan on getting a welding helmet and paying more attention to the sun.


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 11:15 AM by trusername
Originally posted by Unity_99
Personally I liked zorgon's post on another thread, concerning someone else making a video of the same thing basically. He shows the difference between sundogs and odd occurrences that are NOT typical sundogs:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 4-3-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


Yes, I strongly recommend everyone look at those photos before adding another sundog post here.

Maaaaaybeee it's ice crystals reflecting the super nova explosion onto a weather balloon!

I wish everyone would at least admit that it's interesting and agree to check out the skies a bit more for a while.

The thing is - with a lens issue, the guy interviewed and many of the other youtubes as well - the people say they can see it without looking through a lens.


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 12:59 PM by Neopan100
reply to post by BobAthome


It's from the song of the dutchess and the cook:


There's something to say for hatred,
For nastiness and spite.
Oh no, my friend,
We can't pretend
That everything's sweetness and light.

There's something to say for misery,
For suffering and gloom.
Just try being cheerful
And you'll get an earful
Of your impending doom.

This world is not a paradise
If indeed it ever was.
It's a veil of tears,
And so my dears,
Throw out the chaff?
Don't me me laugh.

There's something to say for frowning.
Why must we always smile?
Forget all your dreams,
Resort to schemes,
And in just a little while?

The best laid plans of mice and men Will all come crashing down again And we'll all despise each other In the grandest style!


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 02:00 PM by Unity_99
reply to post by Jinglelord



Even more interesting is the mention of the sincere photographer took the picture of something he had first seen with his eyes, so that the one possible explanation may not be the Fit in this case. That is what everyone is forgetting. You can list possibilities and probabilities, but that doesn't make them the case.

He also took pictures from more than one angle apparently.

So this writer from NASA was leaving it up for debate.

And what a beautiful picture.
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reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 02:53 PM by snowspirit
reply to post by IAMSEEKER


Admittedly, that one was different. The second bright thing in the sky, for once, wasn't right next to the first bright thing (sun).

It also looked brighter than what the moon looks like when it shows up in the morning sky. The size was closer to what the moon looks like, I wonder what time of day that was, and I wonder if the moon seen through a camera (vid) would be brighter than usual?

I've seen the moon in the sky in the daytime, depending on how/where it's orbiting at a particular time of month/year. I've also seen it really close to the sun, and you can tell it's the moon when viewing it with a naked eye.

It looks a bit cloudy, hard to tell though, if it could be a reflection from anything.
Clearly not a second sun, it isn't warm enough yet....

edit on 4-3-2011 by snowspirit because: just because....



reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 03:01 PM by IAMSEEKER
reply to post by snowspirit



Could very well be the moon. Depending on the camera and the aperture it might show the moon simply as a white dot.
What bugs me is the human factor.

Like many, I've seen the moon and the sun at the same time and it can be beautiful but If I were to film, I wouldn't post it on youtube with a title like this. But that's just me.

Ignorance/hoaxes/stupidity/ are big sticks in the wheel of truth.


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 05:54 PM by theabsolutetruth
the thing I seen sooo wasn't a sundog and certainly wasn't the moon either. The two suns I seen weren't on opposite sides of the sky, and were midway in the sky.

curious.astro.cornell.edu...


You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees[/color]. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth]. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius. Places on the Earth north of 66.5 degrees will never see the part of the ecliptic that is in Sagittarius (even though some parts of the constellation that are above the declination of -23.5 degrees may be seen depending on the latitude of the place). Hence, if you are at a latitude of say 80 degrees, the Sun will be above the sky all day during summer and the Moon will never rise during full moon. However, the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon. Hence at latitudes close to 66.5 degrees, one might be able to see the Sun and the full moon for a very short time simultaneously if the geometry of the Moon is just right. However, the Sun and the full moon will be on opposite portions of the sky and so nobody will be able to photograph it unless there is an exceptional camera that can take a picture of the entire sky.
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reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 06:03 PM by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by observe50



or not far enough.....

perhaps the answers are too far from the realms of current scientific understanding to some....flatearthers anybody?


reply posted on 4-3-2011 @ 08:04 PM by C.H.U.D.
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
the thing I seen sooo wasn't a sundog



I agree, and I don't know why people are still posting that it could be a sundog...

Sundogs are also part of a
circular 22° halo display, and they are therefore always 22° away from the Sun, which is obviously not the case with the 2/3 suns phenomena we are discussing here.

Here is a pair of sundogs for comparison:

Source: wikipedia.org

Screen caps once again:



If they are sundogs, then why are they the wrong shape, and in the wrong place? The Sun's disc is only one or two degrees in diameter, and the "sundogs" can't be more than 1 or 2 times this distance away. No where near the 22° mark.
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