Homophobes:: GET A CLUE!!!

Don't care if you are gay or straight.
Ignore people who do.
Unless you are talking about gay bombs or homosexual porn found in ancient mayan temples
people here won't care. You can be pretty sure what you are going to find in the threads you enter, maybe you're chasing hurtful words.

reply to post by romanmel

I will not provide such documentation. The individuals in question are not members (so far as I know), and may not even be alive anymore.

You may choose to believe me or not.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


That is the slippery slope fallacy, the idea that giving people one small right will cause a whole slew of other things you don't like to take place. It won't necessarily happen, only a possibility.

You see, homosexual couples want the right to have the same couple's rights as a heterosexual couple, but the law literally denies it. Only a few states even offer or recognize civil unions with different rights than marriage has. If a gay person's significant other becomes hospitalized, he/she cannot see them because they are not considered family by the law. Homosexuals want the right to have the rights of heterosexuals. That's all. The only reason it seems to get inflated is because people keep denying their rights.

reply to post by Varemia

Slippery slope fallacy? For a smoker, it is a slippery slope reality.

As to the topic, however, I was at one time completely on the side of those who wanted equal rights... to the extent that I suggested eliminating marriage completely from the legal process... but I was met with scorn by those who wanted the term 'marriage'. That in itself tells me that these individuals are not interested in equality, but in the ability to flaunt themselves to those who cherish marriage as a part of their religion.

When one offers equality and are emphatically told 'no', one begins to wonder if equality is the true goal.

No gay marriage as long as I can prevent it.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


But marriage literally means any close or intimate association or union:
dictionary.reference.com...

Sure, you'll find it with the tags of heterosexual definitions, but the root meaning for marriage aside from a social institution is that it is a unification of 2 or more anything. There's nothing wrong with wanting it to be called marriage, since that's what it IS.

I do have a problem with churches being forced to do it, because they should be allowed to decide who they perform rituals for. The legal rights should be there for gay couples though.

reply to post by Varemia

You may not be one who would like to flaunt gay sexuality in order to disgust others, and others on this site may also not be in that category. But the agenda is plain to me. I state again, from my experience, it is not an attempt to gain equality, but an attempt to extract revenge.

I will always support true equality, but I will never support revenge.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Annee

One question. Where/who exactly is demanding churches marry gays in the US?

In the US, it is a very small number... but you should remember this thread from the UK.

It is a question of incrementalism... small steps taken in sequence to produce a desired result:

• Gays want equal treatment in insurance, taxes, visitation, etc.
  
  

I am fully aware that Canada/UK - - have different laws in regards to equality then the US does.

Let's keep it simple. Gays in the US want LEGAL marriage - - - to benefit from the same rights afforded every other married couple (tax breaks - insurance - pensions - etc).

I listen to OutQ gay radio - - read the Advocate and occasionally other blogs.

I don't recall ever hearing/reading any gay person saying they wanted to or chose to force churches into marrying gays.

That is something I have only heard from those against gay marriage.

There are plenty of churches who are more then willing to marry gays if/when it is legal.

Is it possible there is some fringe radical gay right supporters - - who want to push issues? Of course - - just as there are fringe radicals of any group/cause.

reply to post by Annee

It is possible, I suppose, that there are false flag 'supporters' who are trying to undermine the efforts; I will concede to that possibility, but only as a possibility and not a fact. Even if true, however, that does not change my overall interpretation of the direction of the movement.

Prove it by proposing a bill that states that no religious organization may be required to perform any ceremony for any reason, to include civil rights reasons.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
No gay marriage as long as I can prevent it.

TheRedneck

I'm sorry - - but I find that just silly. How does gays getting married affect you? It doesn't.

I do remember the smoking ban in CA (where I was living at the time). I was totally against it. I thought it was wrong and totally infringed on individual rights.

At the time I smoked - - only driving home from work - - and in bars.

After the ban went into affect - - - I realized just how wonderful it was to eat in a restaurant without smoke. I honestly never realized just how affected I was by people smoking. I was shocked when AZ implemented a smoking ban. I never expected "renegade" AZ to do something like that. Of course - probably like Alabama - - not every one follows this law.

Today - - I can't fully support taking rights away from smokers - - - but Man do I enjoy not having restaurants full of smoke.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Prove it by proposing a bill that states that no religious organization may be required to perform any ceremony for any reason, to include civil rights reasons.

TheRedneck

Come On! Redneck

The ONLY time I hear anything about gays forcing churches to marry them - - - comes from the Anti-Marriage crowd.

I do respect you - - - but this is ridiculous - - - bordering on paranoia.

Originally posted by TheVoodooGamer
Well I am no homophobe, but you lot sure are a strange bunch...

I am sick and tired of basically fighting off the gays at my local park where I go jogging at night, you can't stand still for one second to rest before one of em appears from behind the bushes in the dark to "approach" me.

Minding my own business while jogging as I pass them they gesture at me, touching themselves etc.

It makes me sick, at one point I actually chased one away physically because he kept following me.

wtf is up with that ?

And I refuse to let these sicko's chase me away from there, cause it's the only park close to me and I don't want to go running in the streets. I'll fight them off one by one till they stop going there.

You don't see straight people doing such things in public parks ?

I guess if you're into random sex and stuff then there's this code of parking conduct they use when in the forest preserves. A friend said that one day they were driving through the woods and they saw a bunch of cars parked backwards (the universal signal for random gay sex) and so one of the guys in the car made like he was gonna say something and raised his eyebrows etc to see what happened. Sure enough, most of the guys in the parked cars usually did perk up. One even drove after them.

Originally posted by starless and bible black
I guess if you're into random sex and stuff then there's this code of parking conduct they use when in the forest preserves. A friend said that one day they were driving through the woods and they saw a bunch of cars parked backwards (the universal signal for random gay sex) and so one of the guys in the car made like he was gonna say something and raised his eyebrows etc to see what happened. Sure enough, most of the guys in the parked cars usually did perk up. One even drove after them.

What would you have them do? Come up to you in the supermarket and tell you - you are cute?

It is society that has forced gays to live on the fringe.

As gays are allowed to become mainstream - - - what seems like "extreme" behavior to some - - - will largely dissipate.

But it is NOT going to happen overnight.

reply to post by PureET

Big difference between a public servant (justice of the peace) and a private minister.

reply to post by TheRedneck

Religious rights are already protected under the constitution; I really don't see the point of such a bill, however you are in the right state to try and get one pushed through.

As someone already stated I dont understand why gay people call anyone who doesnt agree with the gay lifestyle homophobes/haters/ect.. I'm not afraid of gay people at all lol. I also take offense to what someone else posted about these "homophobes" that just dont want to come to grips with their own gay feelings. That is just a rediculous argument. I have a gay person in my extended family and we get along great. BUT that does not mean I have to accept their actions. Tolerence and acceptance are two very different things. I would love my cousin/brother/sister or whoever if they were drug addicts but that does NOT mean that I agree or accept it. That might not be the best comparison but you sound intelligent enough to get what I'm tryng to say. Please dont twist my words.
I would like to make a few other points if I can:

Just because you were born a certain way doesn't make it "normal". If it was "normal" then the human race would cease to exist. Cease to existtttttt!!!!!!! I hope this doesnt hurt your feelings because that is clearly not what I'm trying to do but I beleive that it is an illness. A birth defect if you will. I was born with a physical defect (not gay in the least bit) so I can be the pot calling the kettle black Why do you think that the gay community fiercely attack/destroy peoples reputations that are trying to do serious research to find the "gay gene". Would renowned leaders in genetics wont even touch the topic because they're afraid to have their reputations ruined. Everything they have ever worked for in their lives. How fair is that?? The reason that this research is attacked is because if a "gay gene" was found then people can say that it is a defect. The gay agenda people desperately want to suppress this information as it would make them and their "cause" invalid.

People will sit there and argue with you about "there is no normal". That's a load of crap. I'm pretty sure anyone would agree that as soon as 51% of the population are gay then and only then will it be normal. That will never happen though. So it will never be normal. I myself couldnt care less how you or any other gay (concenting adults) choose to live. I just dont want it thrust in my face. Especially thrust into my kids face.

One thing that I cannot understand is why in the general gay community. (Notice I'm not saying that you in particular...) Everything seems to revolve around that communities sexuality. I mean who cares? Really? If anyone has any question of this fact just flip to the "Logo" channel. I stumbled upon this channel a while back and everything on their revolved around sex. Many of the programs on their were vile in my opinion. I was so shocked about what was on that network I had to show it to my wife.

We shouldnt be divided these days. We're living in scary times......We need unity now more than ever. I wish all the best for you. Personal attacks on you are unacceptable but you have to realise that since we have established being gay is not the "norm" you are opening youself up to these types of attacks. That statement is in no way meant to say that you are bringing the scrutiny upon yourself. It's just the world and society that we live in. I'll say it again. I hope that you are happy and wish the best for you. Although I do not accept your lifestyle.
Oh and I dont see how you or any other gay person are being discriminated against. You are free to marry any man you wish. Just as any man is free to marry any woman that he wishes.

Originally posted by Riff2525
Just because you were born a certain way doesn't make it "normal".

What?

Takes deep breath. Do I really live in this world?

reply to post by TheRedneck

Nope; you are assuming again. I still own property in Alabama and am still a legal resident. White part of the family arrived when it was still the Mississippi territory, Cherokee part been there since people have. Father served in the state legislature for 12 years and pushed for improvements in education and education funding. I do however question your grasp of the law based upon your posts.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Riff2525
Just because you were born a certain way doesn't make it "normal".

What?

Takes deep breath. Do I really live in this world?

I guess my cousin that was born with schizophrenia is normal??? I think not. You are missing my point. I'll say it again. When gay people reach 51% of the population then it will become "normal". Society wise anyway.

reply to post by TheRedneck


I think that's the best idea yet. I've thought it would be better to call all legal "marriages" civil unions once the couple gets their marriage license; after all it's pretty much a civil contract in the eyes of the law; and then if the couple wanted a traditional marriage, they could find a church or a minister who is willing to marry them.

Originally posted by Riff2525

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Riff2525
Just because you were born a certain way doesn't make it "normal".

What?

Takes deep breath. Do I really live in this world?

I guess my cousin that was born with schizophrenia is normal??? I think not. You are missing my point. I'll say it again. When gay people reach 51% of the population then it will become "normal". Society wise anyway.

It is normal for him - - isn't it.

Gays are like any hetero in this world - - - except for one thing.

I really hate stupid!