Homophobes:: GET A CLUE!!!

A man or woman can do whatever they choose and be with whoever they choose. This, of course, started in the 60's by the hippies/communists when "do what you feel" became acceptable. And please stop using the word "gay." The correct term is homosexual, and it is not a slur. To be "gay" means to be happy and care-free..... at least it did before they started changing the dictionary to be politically correct.

Being a homosexual is not "normal." Nothing can be found to be normal when it only occurs in 2% to 4% of a population. I have no problem with people of either sex deciding to be homosexual, but I dislike when people of any non-normal persuasion tries does everything they can to force it down my throat ( no pun intended.) "marriage" of one sort or another has been around for about 3000 years, and is defined as between a man or woman, the main goal of which is to propagate the species. For the record, I have no problem with civil unions..... but don't call it a "marriage." One cannot prohibit or legalize something which does not exist; it's like trying to get people to accept the idea of a square wheel.

After 15 years of searching, it has been determined that there is no "gay" gene. For a hundred years, being homosexual was determined to be a mental disorder, and was listed as such in the Journal of Psychology. In the 80's it was removed.... not because there was any scientific evidence which required it's removal; instead, it was a political decision to do so.

Speaking mostly of the concerns I have for the future of America (actually, all countries where people are truly free,) I submit the following; since before the ink was dry on the Constitution there have been those who have tried to destroy this country and the ideals and ideas upon which it was founded. What follows was read into the record of the American Congress in 1963. One has only to see how many of these things has already come to pass to see what deep doo doo we are in:

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushehev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free election under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers, associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness,repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity, as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace repealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture-education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition: that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

Even the Communist realized homosexuality was perverse and degenerate. Well over 70% of these things have occurred here in America, and many parts of the EU. Odd how George Soros wants many if not all of these things for all countries.

Anyway, I strongly oppose the teaching of the "normalcy" of homosexuality in public schools, especially when there are some moonbats that are attempting to teach it in grades as low as second grade. Of course many, if not all, of the feminist groups back this idea. Maybe women don't need men to have babies, but remember this: We can clone sheep.

sexual pleasure is one thing
mating is an other

my 2 cents

Originally posted by ThatGuyInTheKnow
.. if your a girl start to dress like a guy and wearing boy hair cuts, or if your male start being super feminine and acting like a female.

What??? Ignorance extreme.

Classic Stereotyping.

Originally posted by zerbot565
sexual pleasure is one thing
mating is an other

my 2 cents

If sex wasn't pleasurable there would be no mating and thus no offspring. They both go together.

I don't think anyone likes to bash gays, and specially about the HIV part... But it turns out it's true... gays ARE killing themselfs.

With that in mind, why should we be supporting homosexuality in it's present shape. I say present shape because the Spartans used it to make their warriors so deeply in love with eachother, they would die for eachother. now THAT is an purpose!

Nowadays we have gays wanting to get married, adopting kids, etcetera.

I say abandon this discussion and let Darwin do his work.

After reading many of these threads I tend to see much more venom from the Gay side of the arguments than the Religious side of the arguments.

Although I feel both sides go to extremes, just the way the posts come across to me. Just because you don't approve of something does not mean you are scared of it or hate it. As a matter of fact the gay side of the arguments appear more fearful than the religious side.

A religious person is entitled to their beliefs just as a gay person is entitled to their lifestyle, whether it be nature or nurture.

Who created the term "Homophobe", and how does that term benefit gay agenda? Are we afraid? Perhaps of being hit on, and suffering a crowding of spirit from someone who no longer recognizes their personal borders. Fear of exploitation by a non-respecting entity other than ourselves. Is this fear readily countered by some anger and resolve? Yes it can be, and those of us who know how to counter our fears don't stop putting down such nonsense as the bunk it is. But we still have to sleep; angels defend. Will God sanctify and keep safe those who are

I still attest that gay agenda does, or tries to, run society (do you really want my proofs or uncreated research project on it)? It's not the free choice positives people upset with, it's the corruption of those who want to be straight, what they teach is okay for our children to condone, and how openly sexuality is flaunted. I made my mind up around, oh maybe age four, that this wasn't the path for me. I've avoided all gay encounter with a good degree of respect. The rest is societal and demonic pressure, and it's very healthy to sidestep the entire mindset. This was never as prevalent a problem as it used to be, the hidden pressure certain people project, in their allowance or ignorance of perspective, to prevail on people who do not appreciate it. Besides, it's also used to undermine dignity and reputation as per character assassination (which leads to further attacks, lowered defenses, and bad emotional resolve), or as a control mechanism which is even more despicable.

So Op, before pulling out that bullhorn again and blasting us with your high and mighty message, please remember a few things.

The loudest voice is not always right, and how sad it is to see it succeed against good wisdom.
Your opinion is only that, don't see our founding beliefs as your target. For some of us, we appreciate our foundations. Stop adding fuel to the fire if you're so concerned.
Pride is the first and foremost sin before God. Why be "proud" about anything, and all the more foolish to adopt that stance as anything more than a tactic to push an agenda. It's social engineering, nothing more. When someone starts talking about their proud stances, people only put up with it or turn away, in my experience. If you adopt that "proud" stance, you become part of the tactic you're not seeing past. Maybe it's to cover your shame, we think.

And lastly, don't assume stance on anything for "us", your pre-labelled opponants. Your umbrella terms are pathetic! If you believe (x) then it follows that you will also believe (y), (z), and (A) where your (A) becomes the new prong of your attack. It doesn't wash. Non-sequitur. You don't speak to me, or for me! It's good to follow your own command, or as Andy Capp once said "If you listen to everyone elses opinion, soon you'll be doing every other blokes thing except your own".

reply to post by nonapologetic


If you can`t even spell properly you have other problems.
And I am not gay or queer or whatever you want to call it. Just literate.
Try growing up. If you are "straight" as I probably am, no-one who isn`t like you is going to want to climb in the sack with you. Maybe that is the problem, it often is.

reply to post by Northwarden


There is a gay agenda unfortunately my post got pushed back already so here it is again. It was outlined in "After the Ball" www.article8.org... it was written by a homosexual on how they plan to make homosexuality acceptable to the people. It covers DESENSITIZATION, JAMMING, and CONVERSION. It's covered in the link I provided. Read it and you will see this is what is happening.

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus


call me silly . but
if it was as you described

then there would not be "gays" ,
there would be no "sex industry"
"they" would sleep with their "hands on the blanket" ,

all three above applies to a majority of the animal kingdom
i mean that list can go on ,

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus


That's some excellent linkage and thank you. It's probably time to pinion down the eight corners of their social engineering in my own mind, soon. I already have the picture, but it doesn't include too much deep research.

Speak of the devil in cultural terms and agenda cross-sections, and you will find the hidden folds. Heaven folds and demon folds, it's amazing what you find in peoples minds under the emotional coils.

reply to post by soaringhawk


You know what dude? You know how annoying it is when flambouyant gay people throw it in your face? It annoys me too sure, but so do people like you who go around throwing their god in everyone's face as well.

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
Homosexuality is unnatural. Male and female animals mate to have offspring to pass on their genes. Gays can't
naturally have children, their gene pool dies out. Simple as that.

Yet here we are after thousands and thousands of years with so sign of the "gay gene pool" dying out. And for some strange reason those straight couples keep having gay children. Gay people also seem to not be passing on this "gay gene" to their children they have with members of the opposite sex (this happens maybe more than you are aware).

Given the fact that there seems to be no "gay gene" being passed around solely by homosexuals, and that it has existed since biblical times at least with no signs of "dying out", one must conclude that your statement above is incorrect, and that homosexuality is indeed natural.

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
Homosexuality is unnatural. Male and female animals mate to have offspring to pass on their genes. Gays can't
naturally have children, their gene pool dies out. Simple as that.

Yet here we are after thousands and thousands of years with so sign of the "gay gene pool" dying out. And for some strange reason those straight couples keep having gay children. Gay people also seem to not be passing on this "gay gene" to their children they have with members of the opposite sex (this happens maybe more than you are aware).

Given the fact that there seems to be no "gay gene" being passed around solely by homosexuals, and that it has existed since biblical times at least with no signs of "dying out", one must conclude that your statement above is incorrect, and that homosexuality is indeed natural.

I never said anything about a 'gay gene' I said homosexuals can't pass on their genes because they can't reproduce. A male and female pass on genetics traits to their children, obviously a homosexual can't pass on genetic material. You are twisting what I said.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a choice.

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus


how do 2 of the same sex create children? The gays always talk about how they are conflicted before comming "out"...This speaks volumes to me,you see that little voice inside your head,is not always your own thoughts...Sometimes it whats called a locution, these can be good or bad... And during times of "temptation" you will deal with an intrusion from both of these opposing forces in your pea brain...Having been given free will this is how you are tested to proove your worth...Now having said that once your mind is made up, your choice has been made...Since this decision has been made, your free will honored thus ending said locutions, the inner termoil having left for this reason alone... This in no way means you have made the right decision... Im saying your still confused and have chosen poorly... And to those whom are gay and feel God is ok with it, I wonder who told you that?


Im not homophobic I just dont like you... Would you rather gays were treated like back in the day? I assure you that your new found voices wouldnt be heard for long, and you would be back to hidding in closets right quick like... Id like that myself...And as for the born this way lie what a load of crap... Eveyone of you born of a Mother and Father...Whats next? are we going to have to suffer child molesters claims they were born that way to? Your responsible for your decisions bottom line... In like fashion you will have deal with it, and homophobes are just a part of that...So shut up and take it like the "IT" you are...

Originally posted by ValValient4
reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

 

how do 2 of the same sex create children? The gays always talk about how they are conflicted before comming "out"...This speaks volumes to me,you see that little voice inside your head,is not always your own thoughts...Sometimes it whats called a locution, these can be good or bad... And during times of "temptation" you will deal with an intrusion from both of these opposing forces in your pea brain...Having been given free will this is how you are tested to proove your worth...Now having said that once your mind is made up, your choice has been made...Since this decision has been made, your free will honored thus ending said locutions, the inner termoil having left for this reason alone... This in no way means you have made the right decision... Im saying your still confused and have chosen poorly... And to those whom are gay and feel God is ok with it, I wonder who told you that?


Im not homophobic I just dont like you... Would you rather gays were treated like back in the day? I assure you that your new found voices wouldnt be heard for long, and you would be back to hidding in closets right quick like... Id like that myself...And as for the born this way lie what a load of crap... Eveyone of you born of a Mother and Father...Whats next? are we going to have to suffer child molesters claims they were born that way to? Your responsible for your decisions bottom line... In like fashion you will have deal with it, and homophobes are just a part of that...So shut up and take it like the "IT" you are...

DON'T YOU GET IT. I never said anything about homosexuality being GENETIC! i said they CAN'T PASS ON THEIR GENES FOR SURVIVAL because they CAN'T REPRODUCE. Homosexuality is a CHOICE AND LEARNED BEHAVIOR.

Learn how genetics works, animals don't breed for the fun of it. It's so their genes can survive. I am no longer going to debate with stupidity.

Most of these post would be funny if they weren't so sad. The level of ignorance with some of these arguments against gay folks are alariming.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the uniformed people Here are old white men...that are so afraid of their own shadow and xneophibic that it is very sad and I feel extremely sad for them.

The reality of gays in today's world and the future is this:
Gays will be allowed to serve openly in the military very shortly.
Gays will allowed every right marriage permits legally very shortly.
Full and equal rights for gay are a just a few years away.

History is on our side. The U.S has been headed left for the last 60 years, occasionally it lurches to the right but always corrects itself. Those who fight for the rights of the minority always are on the right side of history.

Sometimes you just have to let people live and die with the dumb ideas like i read in this thread, but most of you old scared dumb dumbs will be dead in just a few years and my generation will take over and you will only be remembered as a terrible part of Americas history that will be looked back upon with shame.

Wow, this thread is really putting the stark raving MENTAL back into fundamentalism.

It's funny, it's sad, it's ATS on gays.

those who know the score, can carry on reading whilst listening to this.



edit- video is 3:03 long, 303 is my favourite number. This post is brought to you with divine intervention.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by Varemia

 

Bisexual is just as bad.

If you want to associate yourself with less intelligent animals with the (Animals do it, so can i) excuse then go ahead.

Gay is not natural at all.

If anything its genetic mutation which removes the instinct to reproduce.

I want to keep the human race going, Gay men don't.

I support my species, you dont.

Considering that bisexuals also engage in sex with women, and as such can create babies if they want, your argument is flawed towards me. Then, you make the claim that it is not natural, something that used to always be followed by claims that you never see animals naturally seeking out homosexual relations. Now that evidence exists for homosexual relationships in the natural world (even to the point of lifelong partnerships between animals, akin to marriage among humans), the argument changes to say that humans should not act out "beastly" desires.

I do support this species, and often help guys get dates and relationships with women. You support bigotry apparently, as the only logical way you could be against homosexuality as an existing and normal presentation of behavior is if you have a religious bias against it, in which case you can have no say about people who do not follow your religion.

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
Homosexuality is unnatural. Male and female animals mate to have offspring to pass on their genes. Gays can't
naturally have children, their gene pool dies out. Simple as that.

I never said anything about a 'gay gene'

Uhm, so then what's the point in even bringing up genes?

A male and female pass on genetics traits to their children, obviously a homosexual can't pass on genetic material.

Sure a homosexual can pass on genetic material, I know many who have, your statements make no sense other than to illuminate your bigotry for all to see.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a choice.

Really? Hmm, I think you are talking about what you believe and not reality here. How many gay people have told you themselves that they "learned" it?