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This gent has part of the equation right - that democrats and republicans are but two sides of the same coin. Unfortunately, he seems to have glommed on to another false paradigm - the "marxist vs capitalist" coin. He appears to fail to recognize that THEY are but two sides of the same coin as well. "Left-right", "democrat-republican", marxist-capitalist" these are ALL but two sides of the same coin, and operate in exactly the same way. They try to divide the population between those two sides, get them to choose the "proper" side, then play off of one another in an attempt to convince people that their side will make some sort of difference or change, all the while BOTH sides are moving towards the same goal, only dividing the people to keep them oblivious to the motion.
What I DO see coming instead is a "rebellion", both sides energetically trying to kill one another off and generally break things, all claiming to be doing it in support of "their" side, but in reality working towards the same goal. Meanwhile, the folks in the middle of it will take the worst damage, as always happens. I just don't see any "good" guys or "bad" guys in what's coming, I only see "guys" in apparently opposing camps trying to erase the system of the claimed "other", working on behalf of their common masters, who will lose NOTHING.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, in military terms I am "behind the lines", "cut off from support", and damn near "out of ammo", so it's not going to go well for me, whichever side of this coin takes the laurels. I've managed to get my son out of here, but as for myself, I will without a doubt be dropped like a pole-axed steer. All I can hope for is to make a "respectable" showing in the body pile in the yard, and I really care not a bit which "side" those cadavers thought they were on when they come. If they bother me in any way, they were on the wrong side as far as I'm concerned, don't really care which "uniform" they wear.
I've no doubt it's coming, it will be bad - much worse than folks realize - and in the end, it will make no difference or "change" at all in which side "wins". Whomever "wins", we will ALL lose.
Originally posted by kroms33
I am writing a thread on this - and I hope everyone on ATS participates. People need to step out of the illusions of corporations, banks and government has created. No longer can people be blind to the fact of the elitist mentality. How to wake people up though?
Agreed. This is why I am entertaining the philosophies of dischordia. You see, it allows people to see the illusion for what it is. You see with your eyes, but you have used your brain to see their illusion. Unfortunately for many are not awake - they still follow the politics of a dying system. People need to realize who the true enemies of humanity are... As I have stated in one of my other threads, the best way to combat the powers that be are to help your fellow man and remove ourselves from their system. What if the majority opposed the minority? Seriously think about who the majority is? The non-elitist. Billions of us. Sad, that so many people still fall for their illusion that TPTB are in control.
The majority of people either here in the USA, or abroad need to understand this: violence will not be a solution to destroying the corrupt ways of the elite. To attack them, attack what backs them: Money. People need to unify to destroy the worthless concept of money. It funds wars, it funds the starving children of the world to starve even more... think about it. I also have a son, and a wife. The only way I would ever become violent is if they were threatened. If people protest the system and make it fall to it's knees, there would be no uniformed people fighting anywhere. What is a uniform anyhow? Just another illusion created by elitists to strike the fear of power into those who argue against their ethics.
People like you and I, we need to remain in contact. We need to spread how to rebel against the system before the system kills us.
When you get the thread up, U2U a link to me and I'll drop by and see if I have anything I can add to it.
As far as waking people up goes, I've found that it's generally best to make them wake themselves up. Making the connections and the ultimate discovery on their own is the only way they'll retain it. Otherwise, they'll kick and scream against it, give you all manner of grief over it, and get set even tighter in their ways, having to entrench their own positions like that.
This is the first I've heard of dischordia, but I'll check into it. Actually, ALL 'sight' is a function of the brain. Sure, they eyes are photo receptors, but nothing can be 'seen' without interpreting those images, so thinking about what one sees is an essential element of actually 'seeing'. The trick is to figure out what sort of filter is required to interpret the images through, and get that in place to filter out the crap that passes for 'conventional wisdom'.
Well, I really didn't make myself clear enough there. By 'uniform' I meant civilian clothing, too. In the case under discussion, the authorities will be at war with civilians, so in that context regular civvie clothing can be viewed as a 'uniform' of sorts, the uniform of the opposition to the authorities. That's why I put "uniform" in quotes in the original.
“With our concept-making apparatus called “the brain” we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about-reality are mistakenly labeled 'reality' and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see 'reality' differently.”
Money IS one of the main problems, and tools of control. Straight barter won't work to replace it and maintain the same level of technology and cooperation we have at this point, but there ARE potentially suitable replacements waiting in the wings for higher level transactions, and straight barter can work surprisingly well on a local, individual, day-to-day basis.
Anyone who takes an objective look at how governments are run these days can't escape the fact that they are corporations themselves, money-making enterprises intent solely on perpetuating themselves, not a care in the world for the people they allegedly protect. They tax us, claiming it's to run the government and provide 'services', then charge us AGAIN when we make use of those services. War may be a racket, but our current governments are a racket, too, and far more pervasive.
Unless I miss my guess, you and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. That by itself is not a BAD thing. It still keeps us on the same 'coin', and two varying viewpoints of the same thing can't help but give a fuller view of the overall problem. As an allegorical example, human beings have the ability to see in 3 dimensions precisely BECAUSE they have two eyes, providing two separate viewpoints, giving us stereoscopic vision. Without those two separated viewpoints, the third dimension, wherein lies some pretty important information, just goes flat.