Penn and Teller" tricked" into admitting 9/11 might be an "inside Job".

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I cannot STAND Penn.

Fair enough.
I can't stand belligerent hecklers who feel the need to make attention whores of themselves.

BTW, this goon didn't have a question. He had an angry comment.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I cannot STAND Penn.

Fair enough.
I can't stand belligerent hecklers who feel the need to make attention whores of themselves.

BTW, this goon didn't have a question. He had an angry comment.

He asked what did he think of WTC 7 besides, it was a Q & A session!!!!

Listen, Penn and Teller started all this 9-11 Truthers are Bull Chit.

They shouldn't have taken a political stance if they weren't prepared to be questioned about it.

This is one of MANY videos they made!

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I cannot STAND Penn.

Fair enough.
I can't stand belligerent hecklers who feel the need to make attention whores of themselves.

BTW, this goon didn't have a question. He had an angry comment.

You might want to pay a little closer attention before bending facts to fit your argument.
This guy wasn't a heckler. He was chosen to ask his question.

Penn and Teller have a very obvious stance about 9-11.
They were being asked to elaborate on it a little more.

But alas, come to find out (IF you watched the whole video) Penn and Teller were TOLD to take their pro 9-11 stance.For all we know, they probably think exactly like 9-11 Truthers do.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
You might want to pay a little closer attention before bending facts to fit your argument.
This guy wasn't a heckler.

I watched the video and his comments. This guy was completely pissed off, acted like it, failed to win the crowd with an impolite demeanor and failed to ask any sort of rational question. He then cut away to a pair of frat boys: evidently the only two people who found this guy interesting. There's a way to ask a question and a way to act like a jackass and he chose the latter.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Human_Alien
You might want to pay a little closer attention before bending facts to fit your argument.
This guy wasn't a heckler.

I watched the video and his comments. This guy was completely pissed off, acted like it, failed to win the crowd with an impolite demeanor and failed to ask any sort of rational question. He then cut away to a pair of frat boys: evidently the only two people who found this guy interesting. There's a way to ask a question and a way to act like a jackass and he chose the latter.

So now that your 'heckler' complaint was unfounded, you move on to this?

Whatever.

You're out to put this down one way or the other so, your message has been received. Thanks for stopping by!

I'm torn when it comes to Penn & Teller. I like the show for its entertainment but I find myself often disagreeing with their stance. I dislike that they try to find the most outrageous and unstable people to represent the opposite side of their featured topic.

Has anyone else noticed they get trapped in their own Bullsh*t? They do an episode on recycling and that it's useless, but then Penn claims later he does his part by recycling ink jet cartridges. In the Mount Rushmore episode they ridicule patriots and then Penn one season later is boasting about USA being the number 1 best country in the world.

Originally posted by Dendro
I'm torn when it comes to Penn & Teller. I like the show for its entertainment but I find myself often disagreeing with their stance. I dislike that they try to find the most outrageous and unstable people to represent the opposite side of their featured topic.

Has anyone else noticed they get trapped in their own Bullsh*t? They do an episode on recycling and that it's useless, but then Penn claims later he does his part by recycling ink jet cartridges. In the Mount Rushmore episode they ridicule patriots and then Penn one season later is boasting about USA being the number 1 best country in the world.

Yeah, it's called being a hypocrite all for the sake of a pay check.

I was at this event.

The video does not really convey the atmosphere of this. The main event was a cross between their magic show and a Q&A in which they (Teller too!) answered some questions provided prior to the event by students at the university. A lot of the questions were about how they got their start in the business, and then it moved on to philosophy, atheism, and their relations with others in the stage magic business.

At the end was a time-limited live question-and-answer session in which people lined up behind microphones and were given a chance to speak. Far more people lined up than were actually able to speak due to the time constraints. The expectation was people would ask a short question, they would provide their answer, and then the next person would have their chance. All the other people's questions were like this; they were friendly questions like "what is your favorite BS episode", etc.

But the very first person up was this guy. Rather than simply ask a question (such as, "What is your opinion on Building 7, since you didn't cover that one in your show?" or some such), he opened with accusing them of lying on their show and stating his own "credentials" as a guy with a website, something we all in the audience immediately knew was going to be long, boring, self-absorbed, drawn-out rant. Then he continued ranting even as Penn began to answer. Frankly, were I the guy on stage I would have been even less friendly than Penn was at this point.

As soon as he began his rant, most people in the audience either sighed, facepalmed (my reaction), or started screaming at the guy. It was frustrating. You know when you heckle a public performer you are not going to get anything resembling a straight answer. This is as sure as night follows day. Simply put, the guy was wasting everybody's time.

The performers' duty is to entertain their entire audience, not to gratify you in particular. Engaging in a dialogue would have been grossly rude to the other people who had questions to ask, and being experienced showbiz people, they knew that, so they did their best to shrug him off as quickly as possible.

For my part, I disagree with Penn & Teller on a fair share of things, including the 9/11 official story of which I am skeptical. But there's a time and a place. Like ATS. Plus, if you want even a sliver of a chance at getting an honest response from somebody, don't open with "You're an evil dirty liar!" What kind of response do you think that's going to get you? I mean, common sense people.

My friend who I was there with found this gem on Penn's twitter feed today:

Q&A last night at the"Don't Tase me, bro" theater. A 911 "truther" got up and went crazy rhetorical and the audience chanted "Tase him!"



(it actually wasn't the same theater, but the same campus)

reply to post by NewlyAwakened


What better 'time and place' than a Q & A session?

And this guy did NOT heckle. Please look up the word 'heckle'. It means:To try to embarrass and annoy someone speaking or performing in public

If it was HIS turn to speak, how's that heckling???? He was directed to ask his question. And knowing he had so much allotted time, he wanted to get as much in as possible.

This guy wouldn't be asking any 9-11 questions had Penn not made a public announcement via his dumb shows, on how he felt about 9-11 Truthers.

And he DID lie. Penn even admits he was coerced into saying what he said due to the sensitive nature of the country following 9-11.

So please stop making this guy look bad. It's Penn who looks like an ass.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
What better 'time and place' than a Q & A session?

Wrong kind of Q & A session. I am not sure why you would make this mistake; I believe I described the event well enough. The guy was out of line; it's as simple as that. Plus, he was being rude, nobody cared what he had to say after he wasted their time on his lengthy self-congratulatory, aggressive, and unnecessary opener, and everybody was happy when he was escorted out.

Like I said, he could have asked a Building 7 question. He chose to be a douche instead. He got what was coming to him. Now he's playing the victim card. Single tear.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
And this guy did NOT heckle. Please look up the word 'heckle'. It means:To try to embarrass and annoy someone speaking or performing in public

Opening with "You're a liar" does not fit?

Originally posted by Human_Alien
So please stop making this guy look bad. It's Penn who looks like an ass.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know. Penn gets rich making himself look like an ass. This other guy does it for free, either on purpose or unintentionally out of (possibly well-meant) protocol ineptitude.

reply to post by NewlyAwakened



Wrong kind of question? Was there a question-list handed out beforehand the show?

Maybe the guy doesn't care what Penn's favorite show was or whether he dresses left or right......... or likes vanilla over chocolate.

Again, if Penn wasn't so rude and insulting towards 9-11 Truthers in the past then you know what? This question would never have been asked.


And because Bill Mahr was so public about HIS stance towards 9-11 Truther he too, could expect the same treatment.

Just because they have money, status and a sarcastic sense of humor does NOT exonerate them for being accountable for their public statements. And because they are not accessible to the public, opportunities to call them out on this is far and few in between.

Please stop defending pompous, greedy, Hollywood stars.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Wrong kind of question?

Nope, that's not what I said. Forget it.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
And because they are not accessible to the public, opportunities to call them out on this is far and few in between.

Touché. That is actually a fair statement. A rebel doesn't care about rules of decorum.

However, any intelligent rebel also expects rules of decorum to be enforced when he breaks them. He just breaks them anyway.

So whining after being escorted out about how "that was a fair question" makes him look like a fool. He knew full well why he was escorted out. I'd shed a single tear but I already have.

The simplefact is that most people already have made up their minds about 9/11,
The far and away majority i have talked to have been very dubious of the goverment version.
Many have cited controlled demo as being obvious to them from the begining.
Others have slowly come around after learning all about the many inconsistancies involved in the goverment theory, but the majority of people hav given me the opinion that it couldnt have been done without goverment collusion or deliberate non intervention.
Most have blamed the invasions as the prime reasons that 9/11 was staged.
Though a surprising number have reiterated the patriot act and other things were important fallout.
and could have been part of the plan.....
I think that the debate over goverment involvement in 9/11 is an American passtime, because the rest of the world has looked at the evidence, and decided the gov boys had to have been inolved.
Like i said most people i speak to hold the US goverment responsible.

these guys are PROFESSIONAL ILLUSIONISTS. who better to perpetuate a weak illusion like 9/11. the kid asking the question sorta shot himself in the foot with his overzealous 'truther' attitude. had he been more polite and presented the question without the persecutory tone, he may have caught them off guard and forced an actual answer. as it was, the whole place knew what his motives were before he ever got around to asking the actual question. he wouldn't likely have gotten himself ejected from the event and may have accomplished more if he could have managed to put the issue of WTC7 on the table in a more tactful and low key manner.

who wants to see Penn vs Jesse Ventura in a steel cage match?

reply to post by Urantia1111


I agree. The question was perfectly acceptable, although I think his approach was long-winded. If you don't want to be labelled as "one of those Truthers" you have to come out quick and fast with your question like it only just recently occurred to you.

Everyonce in awhile I try to Tweet a relevant question to Penn & Teller but they never reply, so I don't blame anyone for taking the opportunity to try and get some kind of answer even if it's not the right one.

Ahhh but when they used John lear as a tool, everyone but the Z-man here was silent...

I guess it's OK to go one way but not the other..

Naww dont listen to them, they break your rules... banish them, yarrr!!

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I cannot STAND Penn. I never 'warmed' up to him and more so now. He just seems like an obnoxious right-winged FOX news-loving, big mouth who doesn't or can't think outside his little box.

He doesn't believe 9-11 might NOT be what it was reported to be nor does he believe that UFOs even exist! Now, who thinks like that? Who can be so 'absolute' about anything? It's very disturbing and telling!
Just look at his audience.

This man is talking FACTS and Penn tries to disrespect him.

edit on 10-2-2011 by Human_Alien because: spelling

Hahaha, what a sad video... ol' curley had to what now? Go to a dunny and .....

Ahhh good thing two comedic magicians are held to account... OMG, evidence 911 was an inside job, and pen told a heckler off..

oO



just lol...

Originally posted by Human_Alien
What guy? The guy asking the question?
If so, this isn't about how far HE got, it's about how low Penn is!

The OP thread is to gripe against Penn and Teller for being heretics and speaking out against the 9/11 conspiracy religion, is it not? This is the heresy you're referring to: the episode from Penn and Teller's, "Bullsh*t" series where they discussed 9/11 conspiracies:

Penn & Teller's, "Bullsh*t" episode on the 9/11 conspiracies

Fast forward to 6:08 where you'll see one of the pro-conspiracy people they're interviewing put on a pilot's outfit and start pretending he's a chicken, along with Penn's comment that, "sometimes you CAN judge a book by its cover".

Here's the thing- Penn and Teller are entertainers. They come up with this stuff to make people watch their antics, so they're not meant to be taken seriously. Come on now, they're magicians and their acting debut was on, "Sabrina the Teenage Witch". What I find to be of dubious credibility is you conspiracy people considering characters like Mr. Chicken to be credible sources of information. You go to those web sites of yours and you imagine they're the gateway of some professional office building full of lawyers and private detectives, when in reality they're being made by a bunch of college kids in their dorm room. Characters like David Ray Griffin aren't even lawyers OR private detectives, but a teacher of religious studies. It would be all well and good if you wanted to know how Judas' betrayal impacted modern religion, but your quoting someone whose entire field of study is a devotion to seeing what he wants to see does you no credit.