Penn and Teller" tricked" into admitting 9/11 might be an "inside Job".

reply to post by Human_Alien


So facts are not something you deal with?

Well I'm not going to wait another hour for you to respond to your own thread, especially when you're out creating new ones. So, if you come back - just post the links that backup your facts.

Anticipating no response/links,

Good night

reply to post by WhateverHappens


Sorry you're so lonely and just hanging around this thread.

I've come to realize, you ain't worth my time, trouble or typing effort

I tried to banter with you in a non-confrontational way but you still wanted to pick a fight anyway.
I don't know what your point is but I suggest you have another nightcap and call it a night!

reply to post by Sly1one


While there are many theories, one theory I am aware of is how the CIA and FBI ignored the intelligence forwaded by agencies in Europe following the arrest of an Al Qaeda cell in Germany in Dec 2010 where one of the cell, a British Al Qaeda operative told the interviewing officers that Al Qaeda cells were working on a major attack in the USA planned for 2001. The itnel said it was planned to be a big one, and now we know it was. is this because this is exactly what Bush wanted at the tiem? Watch the link to see the effects of Al Qaeda on teh West over the last ten years.
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by davidlowe
reply to post by Sly1one

 

While there are many theories, one theory I am aware of is how the CIA and FBI ignored the intelligence forwaded by agencies in Europe following the arrest of an Al Qaeda cell in Germany in Dec 2010 where one of the cell, a British Al Qaeda operative told the interviewing officers that Al Qaeda cells were working on a major attack in the USA planned for 2001. The itnel said it was planned to be a big one, and now we know it was. is this because this is exactly what Bush wanted at the tiem? Watch the link to see the effects of Al Qaeda on teh West over the last ten years.
www.youtube.com...

I agree with the above comment and having read a book about the impact and threat of terrorism, my eyes were opened to counter-terrorism and what really happened! i would really like to promote this great book to all of you by author and counter-terrorism expert David Lowe!

buy the book here:
www.amazon.co.uk...

have a look at this video too:
www.youtube.com...

facebook: www.facebook.com...#!/profile.php?id=100001868003047

Originally posted by psyop911

Originally posted by subject x
Were I in Penn's place, I'd have done the exact same thing. The questioner came off immediately as a nutball,

sorry mate, but penn (and you) came off as a pair of douchebags. so tell me, how does a
douchebag explain anything to a nutball and vice versa? i see you must be college educated
so please endulge myhumbleself with an (you've guessed it) - 'answer'. thank you.

Nope, no college edumacation here. Thanks for the compliment, though.

In answer to your question: you don't. We douchebags don't waste our time trying to explain anything to nutballs, nor do we bother to listen to their inane ramblings.

Originally posted by antibush

Originally posted by davidlowe
reply to post by Sly1one

 

While there are many theories, one theory I am aware of is how the CIA and FBI ignored the intelligence forwaded by agencies in Europe following the arrest of an Al Qaeda cell in Germany in Dec 2010 where one of the cell, a British Al Qaeda operative told the interviewing officers that Al Qaeda cells were working on a major attack in the USA planned for 2001. The itnel said it was planned to be a big one, and now we know it was. is this because this is exactly what Bush wanted at the tiem? Watch the link to see the effects of Al Qaeda on teh West over the last ten years.
www.youtube.com...

I agree with the above comment and having read a book about the impact and threat of terrorism, my eyes were opened to counter-terrorism and what really happened! i would really like to promote this great book to all of you by author and counter-terrorism expert David Lowe!

buy the book here:
www.amazon.co.uk...

have a look at this video too:
www.youtube.com...

facebook: www.facebook.com...#!/profile.php?id=100001868003047

I know David Lowe, he is one of my lecturers at university and he worked in counter-terrorism before he was a lecturer and he is normally spot on with his info on what goes on. I've heard him tell us this before and it's disturbing to think a government could ignore such intel. I've read the book too and it's awesome the way the way it tells what really goes investigating terrorists. I've put the USA Amazon link to the book:
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297632607&sr=1-1

Originally posted by Human_Alien

 

I feel the same way. These people are TOLD how to behave...or, how to embrace 'serious' matters etc. Penn even admits to that at the end of the video.

Do you think David Letterman can actually SAY what he thinks about matters? There's heavy duty censorship, guidelines and 'acts'.

Well, that's rather a childish position to take. You're essentially saying that it's utterly impossible for such people to genuinely have personal opinions and that it's utterly impossible for them to ever disagree with what you yourself want to believe. Who gave you the right to decide what other people can or cannot believe?

I took a look at Bill Maher's video where he gave the 9/11 protestors the boot from the studio. I can see right away that his seething dislike for these people is quite genuine, not only for his not believing in their position but also for his disgust at their atrocious bad manners. We'd need to be horribly naive not to believe the protestors didn't go there specifically to gain attention for themselves and their political agenda at Maher's expense. I have to believe Penn and Teller's stance is equally legitimate, seeing that this heckler's attempt to hijack their conference is equally self serving and disruptive.

Besides, the fact that celebrities have come out in favor of these 9/11 conspiracy theories (I.E. Rosie O'Donnel) has already been documented, and the public has overwhelmingly denounced her stance. That tells me right there that the supposed "censorship" you're imagining isn't from some shadowy secret cabal, but from the majority of public opinion which doesn't subscribe to your claims.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Yes. After considering this OP we are drawn to one of three conclusions:

1) Penn, Teller, the host and the entire audience are "in on it", part of the American political cabal that actually orchestrated 9/11.
2) Penn, Teller, et al and the audience are just another expample of ignorant "sheeple" who never bothered to do any "research". They are blissfully unaware about Bldg 7, the fact that everyone has said there was no plane in Shanksville and that they never published the parts numbers list for Flight 77.
or
3) The two hecklers are living in their own little world, consumed by self-importance, doubt, and the never ending desire to be heard and the need to be considered special.

I've got to go with #3.

You're essentially saying that it's utterly impossible for such people to genuinely have personal opinions and that it's utterly impossible for them to ever disagree with what you yourself want to believe.

Since the same disreputable media honchos which were accomplices to 9/11 and the subsequent illegal wars sign these people's paychecks, they only have one opinion, that of their masters. Unless, of course, they want to find themselves on the unemployment line. Thinking otherwise is beyond naive.

I took a look at Bill Maher's video where he gave the 9/11 protestors the boot from the studio. I can see right away that his seething dislike for these people is quite genuine, not only for his not believing in their position but also for his disgust at their atrocious bad manners.

Maher's anger has nothing to do with their bad manners and everything to do with them exposing him for the fraud that he is.

We'd need to be horribly naive not to believe the protestors didn't go there specifically to gain attention for themselves and their political agenda at Maher's expense.

Oh, poor little Billy. I guess it is okay for him to hang others out to dry to make his moronic political points, but when he gets used by others to make statements, he has a problem with it. Maybe we can chip in and send him some flowers to compensate for his hurt feelings.

I have to believe Penn and Teller's stance is equally legitimate, seeing that this heckler's attempt to hijack their conference is equally self serving and disruptive.

But it's okay when Penn acts like a little idioitc ill mannered foul mouthed juvenile delinquent when he talks about people who do not share his agenda driven political views (if you see somebody reading this book, push him down the stairs). The overflowing hypocrisy from this guy alone tells you he is full of crap. Like poor little Billy, I think the school yard saying that he can dish it out, but he can't take it, describes these guys to a tee.

That's what happens when your opinions are controlled by those who sign your paycheck. You end up acting like a resentful and defensive little schmuck when you get exposed.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by TV_Nation
after watching Penn and Teller Bull Sh*t I knew they were nothing but fools. Very closed minded at least when it comes to what they release to the public

And yet the pro-conspiracy guy they interviewed in season three (forget his name) who put on a pilot costume and started flapping his arms like a chicken is someone you'd seriously go to for your information.

You truthers genuinely don't care what kind of outright crackpots are running those damned fool conspiracy web sites you go to, do you? Heck, that guy didn't even get off the ground one inch.

edit on 10-2-2011 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)

Naughty Dave! You must know that when discrediting an opposing factions, you must use the most bizarre example as a generalization, or else your argument has no merit! By using one example of a nutcase, you effectively get all non-critical thinkers to believe that EVERYBODY who shares an opinion similar to that person is exactly like them. Have you ever seen the "outright crackpots" that run every facet of our government, our religious structures, our education systems? Have you seen the "outright crackpots" who ended up being heralded as GENIUSES once we finally caught up to their level of understanding?

You OSers genuinely don't care what kind of generalized illusions are used to perpetuate your ignorance, do you?

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
Since the same disreputable media honchos which were accomplices to 9/11 and the subsequent illegal wars sign these people's paychecks, they only have one opinion, that of their masters. Unless, of course, they want to find themselves on the unemployment line. Thinking otherwise is beyond naive.

Would you mind terribly providing us the names of these mysterious shadowy forces who sign Penn & Teller's paycheck? The last time I checked, the bulk of their cash comes from going out on the road performing their magic tricks. They just finished playing in a Hard Rock in Florida and for their next gig on Feb 25th they'll be playing a casino in California. Are you genuinely trying to say the Hard Rock Cafe and a casino in California is behind the 9/11 attack?

You are simply making up unrealistic nonsense off the top of your head as it suits your purpose. You know that and so do I.

Maher's anger has nothing to do with their bad manners and everything to do with them exposing him for the fraud that he is.

Now look who's being naive! Maher was doing an interview with several guests (one of them being a congresswoman) when these knuckleheads started screaming out their 9/11 rants to grab free publicity for their movement at his expense. His show didn't even have anything to do with 9/11, and in fact he had to explain to his guests what they were even griping about.

It was an improper forum for them to be doing this and it was a horribly rude method to do it, and I daresay Maher would have kicked anyone out who attempted to hijack his show like they tried to do.

But it's okay when Penn acts like a little idioitc ill mannered foul mouthed juvenile delinquent when he talks about people who do not share his agenda driven political views (if you see somebody reading this book, push him down the stairs). The overflowing hypocrisy from this guy alone tells you he is full of crap. Like poor little Billy, I think the school yard saying that he can dish it out, but he can't take it, describes these guys to a tee.

You just don't get it. Penn & Tellers are entertainers. You go to them to listen to what they have to say and if you don't appreciate what they're saying then you don't listen to them. They're not following me around pushing their, "people who believe in 9/11 conspiracies are crazier than a sh*t house rat" rants...but this crackpot is following them around pushing his own rants. After this guy's stunt, I can definitely believe the validity of Penn's comment that some crackpot fanatic even tried to pick an argument with their lighting guy. WTF does the lighting guy have anything to do with 9/11 conspiracies? He's there simply to set up lights.

At least, Penn & Teller were intellectually honest enough to attempt to respond to this guy, but this guy kept interrupting them with his ranting. He wasn't there to ask any questions or to listen to what they had to say. He was there simply to make a scene and possibly capture some juicy video clip. In all honesty I don't know why he even posted this video because he only made himself look like a childish ass from this stunt.

That's what happens when your opinions are controlled by those who sign your paycheck. You end up acting like a resentful and defensive little schmuck when you get exposed.

So in other words, after all your flowery prose and your ill thought out diatribes, at the end of the day what I said was correct after all- you think freedon of speech only applies to you and these people don't have the right to believe differently from what you do. Rosie O'Donnel thoroughy disgusts me with her "everyone who owns a gun should be thrown in jail" stance as well as her support for these 9/11 conspiracies, but at least I acknowledge she has a right to her personal opinion. It's her using personal opinion and presenting them as fact that I object to.

How DO you get stains out of your Brownshirt, anyway?

Originally posted by prepared4truth
Naughty Dave! You must know that when discrediting an opposing factions, you must use the most bizarre example as a generalization, or else your argument has no merit! By using one example of a nutcase, you effectively get all non-critical thinkers to believe that EVERYBODY who shares an opinion similar to that person is exactly like them.

On the contrary, my position is that most people in the 9/11 conspiracy movement are otherwise intelligent and articulate people. It's just that they're getting all their information from those damned fool conspiracy web sites operated by crackpots and con artists, and they simply don't know they're being conned.

Case in point: a good 25% of the conspiracy people tell me to "listen to Alex Jones", and I can see right away the guy is a flipping lunatic. He's so outer space whacko with these retarded New World Order conspiracies that he even wanted to beat up a five foot tall Filipino woman in Denver:

Alex Jones goes berserk in Denver

The guy is a felony waiting to happen. How can the conspiracy people NOT see that?

Have you ever seen the "outright crackpots" that run every facet of our government, our religious structures, our education systems? Have you seen the "outright crackpots" who ended up being heralded as GENIUSES once we finally caught up to their level of understanding?

Of course I have. I'm the one who's been telling you people that. There's so much grand integral incompetence within the gov't that there's no flipping way it could ever have pulled off the most complex and intricate conspiracy in all of recorded history with the sheer perfection of a supernatural act, even if they wanted to do it. Thank you for agreeing with me.

You walked into that one.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal

Since the same disreputable media honchos which were accomplices to 9/11 and the subsequent illegal wars sign these people's paychecks, they only have one opinion, that of their masters. Unless, of course, they want to find themselves on the unemployment line. Thinking otherwise is beyond naive.

Would you cover up 9/11 if threatened with losing your job?

If so, why? And if not, why do you assume that absolutely everybody else in a similar position would?

reply to post by Human_Alien


Nothing to see here. Most people who make their living on a stage are whores and whores will dance for whoever shoves the biggest wad into their g-string. yawn...

Originally posted by JudgedCover
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Nothing to see here. Most people who make their living on a stage are whores and whores will dance for whoever shoves the biggest wad into their g-string. yawn...

edit on 15-2-2011 by JudgedCover because: (no reason given)

So everyone in a position of any authority (in the loosest possible sense of the word, we are after all talking about stage magicians) at all - who knows that 9/11 was an inside job - is a shameless careerist, willing to cover up the deaths of thousands for the odd dollar.

But coincidentally there are millions of people who are fine and upstanding who would never compromise themselves in this way, but they just happen not to have any sway whatsoever.

This seems unlikely.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade


I'm not saying they are covering up any alleged knowledge at all just responding to the perceived "outcry" against two performers not taking a stand or at least not thoroughly investigating and addresing legitimate issues raised regarding 9/11 evidence.

They are what they are and anything that comes out of their mediawhore mouths should be diluted with the proveribial grain of salt regardless of what side of the controversy they happen to land on.

They are performers and the video shows clearly that once they perceived that the majority of that particular audience were not "truthers" they pandered to them, like any performer does to it's audience.

In other words nothing to see here...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by psyop911

 

Once again, the lies that keep being repeated, and spread, morph into the "truths" that the "turhters" share amongst each other....

...anyone remembers 'the daily show' producer wanting to knock some truther the f**k out...

Total fabrication (there is an ATS thread about it, actually). Absolute LIE, started by a "truther" somewhere, and the rest all fell for it. The true event, of the altercation, occurred many months before the "Restoring Sanity" event in October, 2010....AND it happened in New York City...in Manhattan (NOT in Washington, D.C.) at a book signing at a Border's or Barnes & Noble.....where Jon Stewart was autographing his latest book...all LAST SUMMER!!!

Facts --- never getting in the way of a good "truth movement" story and rant!

chill, mr.einstein. wasn't aware 'teh bible' was on the shelves of barnes&nobles as early
as 'last summer'. i saw it just recently being pimped on stewart's show (prior to 'the rally').
iirc that video i mentioned was made available just around the time 'the rally' was being
hyped up and stuff all over ariana and the rest of the lamestream media. sorry for the
confusion. i know you people have a hard time when it comes to generating original
thoughts and/or looking at things objectively (by 'you people', of course, i mean 'you
ipad/ipod people')

anywho, thanks for your concern about 'facts', ipod. god knows what would you do
if you heard that not one gvt and/or army official has been fired due to lack of
competence displayed on 9/11.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I cannot STAND Penn.

Fair enough.
I can't stand belligerent hecklers who feel the need to make attention whores of themselves.

BTW, this goon didn't have a question. He had an angry comment.

people on the stage are gods and people in the audience are cattle. you're right.
'gods' can't handle 'angry comments'. that sounds logical. so therefore, people
from the audience (especially those who have 'angry comments', godforbid
knockonwood throwsomesaltovermyleftshoulder spitthreetimes) should be at
all times treated like 5 year olds.

"oh, noes. he yelled. and he had an 'angry comment'. oh, the horror. the unbearable
horror." - the party of four women without breasts yelled in agony from the balcony.

reply to post by JudgedCover


"mediawhore"?? Do you paint everyone with that same broad brush? Merely based on their profession??

They are performers and the video shows clearly that once they perceived that the majority of that particular audience were not "truthers" they pandered to them, like any performer does to it's audience.

You really do not know much, then obviously, when people actually have passion of their convictions.


(He uses some of George Carlin's "Seven Words You Can't Say On TV"...so, fair warning:

Penn Jillette discusses his twitter statement -- "Imagine No Religion" -- from last September 11 anniversary.