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Obamacare advocate make refusniks wear gold stickers

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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 02:59 PM

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by abecedarian

Not a bad comparison at all.

They're not going to force you. That's the point, and that's the point of the gold star example. If you choose not to pay for healthcare, you don't have healthcare, and there are consequences. Pretty much the status quo now if you choose to view having to pay with either your taxes and/or the cost of healthcare in general for other people now as "forced." Because you do pay one way or another. What some people are resisting based simply so short-sighted. Does the current plan have problems? Yes. But the old "plan" (or non-plan) had worse ones.

Yes, bad comparison. Though I agree there are potential consequences for not, it's not a requirement and most of the insurance plans are a fixed cost, typically equivalent to the wholesale cost of a comparable laptop or the approximate cost of refurbishing the broken one. Notice laptop insurance plans are usually of a fixed amount corresponding to a term, often around $49 US per year and typically do not exceed 3 years in term. No one suggests wearing a gold star for not insuring your laptop, nor any other object for that matter, even half-jokingly.

They can't "force you" to get car insurance either, but try having a wreck and see what happens....

This "Obamacare" thing is no comparison to car insurance either as, actually, various states do force car insurance if you own a vehicle. However, I can agree with that because you also have the option of not owning a vehicle thus not having to carry insurance. But this national health care thing I can't agree with: I cannot choose to not have a body nor can I choose not to insure it.

Maybe I should clarify the above: I can choose to not participate but does the government respect my freedom of choice in the matter?

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 03:12 PM

Originally posted by maybereal11
..that is racketeering and extortion at the threat of certain suffering and death.

Whether you or I like it or not... healthcare is a commodity. There is no way around it.

As for the topic .. it still reeks of them at least thinking about bullying people with some sort of 'bad citizen' type badge if you don't go along with Obamacare. Obamacare that is unsustainable. ugh.

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 03:32 PM

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Chance321

Can you just imagin the reaction if one of President Bush's people made a "half-joke" like this? People would be screaming for his head.

Put those same words in the mouth of Chaney or Rumsfield and it would have been all out war on at least 3 MSM news channels! In the mouth of a liberal, it is just a half-joke, no big deal.

Wow...uhhh...the guy who made this quip was an economist from George Mason University...

Not the VP of The United States....Not one of Pres. Obama's Staff....

You can not be so dim as to not know the difference....seriously

Hint...people say sh*& every day...To take something some guy at George Mason University said as "half-kidding" ...ignore the "kidding" part, declare him the VP OTUS for compaison purposes and then try to paint half the country with that quip???

WTF is wrong with your thinking?

This has got to be some of the most idiotic reaching BS I have seen on this forum in a while....and we all know that is saying a lot.

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 03:56 PM

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by maybereal11
..that is racketeering and extortion at the threat of certain suffering and death.

Whether you or I like it or not... healthcare is a commodity. There is no way around it.

Sure there is. Just ask the rest of the world....Strange you have not are a few that provide Universal Healthcare..

Argentina, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Cuba, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Oman, Portugal, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Ukraine, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales

And don't forget Afghanistan and Iraq who get Universal healthcare via US war funding.

We should really petition the United Nations to sanction and boycott all of the above socialist countries that are opressing thier people...and we should quickly follow that up with an invasion to liberate those people from thier oppressive healthcare coverage...

...and then in accordance with US occupation policy we can pay for thier coverage ourselves after we invade...and pretty soon we will be the only country on the globe without Universal healthcare while providing it via our tax dollars to the rest of the world.

I really despair how easily people are hustled by politicians to believe anything that threatens a political party's pocket book industry is a SOCIALIST TAKEOVER. The willingness of millions of folks to suspend critical thinking when told to is just astonishing.

It is like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh et al. simply push the "hysteria" button and one half the country starts shouting without understanding why.

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 04:06 PM

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by James1982
in such a disgusting country.

'in such a disgusting country' ...

Newsflash .. life sucks and there is no such thing as a free lunch. The government isn't your mother. This isn't a nanny-state. No one owes us a damn thing. Healthcare is a commodity. Doctors deserve to be paid for their years at medical school; their hard work getting through it; their long and difficult hours working. Hospitals deserve to get paid for providing a service. So do the drug companies. They deserve to pay their people for their hard work at finding new medicines. Everyone deserves to get paid for their work.

I dont believe they "deserve" as much as they get. GREED is a bitch, no? Having a monopoly over peoples health is a damn shame, but thats whats going on.


posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 04:57 PM
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Have you actually looked at your insurance policy? Any big operation or treatment and they are going to dump you like a week old tuna. They want you to pay three times more in premiums that you use in services. If the care you need equals what you are paying, the insurance 'will' find your application and tell you that you are dropped because you didn't spell something right or misplaced a comma or somethng completely irrelavent to the matter at hand.

The health care in this country doesn't care if you are healthy they just want the money.

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 05:24 PM

Originally posted by MMPI2
These people are floating these ideas to see how the public will react.

The Obama people (primarily) want to tag us like cattle. It is likely that the next "trial balloon" will be implanted biometrics.

You're kidding right? You know that this guy who said it has nothing to do with anything right? You really think that President Obama want's to put a gold sticker on the forehead of people who don't have Insurance and then tell all hospitals to refuse treatment to them?

Please.... tell me you are joking...?

If not, then understand that this is just one lone idiot talking...."half jokingly" ( Whatever that means)... This is not what any one with any power wants to do....

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 09:48 PM
Canada's heath care is fairly good most times, like most systems that are give and take the good bad and ugly.
Hey your welcome to come to Canada, since it's coming to elections time there starting to revamp away from the ideas that America currently has with police and jails and looking at American blogs from officers and corrections etc... and our current own system. We might follow the same system when it comes to heath care. Were currently moving away from repression of people in a fundamental aspect. Getting off that train derailment now. So good for us

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:33 PM

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by whatukno

It's pretty much like that now. If you dont have insurance you wont be refused repairing that bullet hole in your back or stapling shut your gaping head wound. You're just going to get a hella bill in the mail.

No it's not "pretty much like that now" because there are millions of americans who cannot get coverage at all so they are forced into the position of paying unreasonable rates because the insurance industry banks on profit by, in part, rationing coverage. Another part of it is how expensive it is for some families.

I agree this healthcare bill is a mess, but so is this current healthcare system. Now people who choose not be coverage despite their ability to, well then I agree with you. I do believe though that you painted the healthcare issue black and white, and it is not that simple of an issue.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:44 AM
reply to post by whatukno
In case you didn't know... that's sorta the way it is now.
No insurance emergency @ hospital; billed full price +30% for everything.
No insurance Doctor office (or anywhere) visit; charged 30% above what's billed to BlueCross BlueShield, note: that's $ amt BILLED, not $ amt paid, Cash for new patients, terms for patients who will pay in two or three payments and don't run over 2-300 dollars. $70 for Dr office visit.
The +30% is to make the uninsured pay for the discount given to the insured. Isn't that just peachy?
See link at bottom about inflated charging practices.
I broke my ankle last year, lost insurance two months before. Pretty bad break- 2hr surgery w/titanium strap and pin... $21,000 O.R., $1750 E.R., $2200 surgeon, $950 total from seven other peripheraly involved Dr, labs etc... $25,900!
These bills will never go away. I won't be able to buy a house, for example, unless amount to pay all debts on credit reports are added to mortage and paid in full to the various creditors... just for example.
If I was 25yo, instead of 62yo, this would be a real problem for years to come. At $200 a month it would take 10 years to pay. They won't wait that long, so all will be sold to 10 different collection agencies for half, and I'll be hounded for full amount by them till death.
So I think the consequences for no insurance, no matter the reason, are already quite daunting... If you've always had coverage, you probably aren't aware of these facts.
Since I already have house and most stuff paid for... I'll not be too worried 'bout this.
But Hey! Life is great. I'm lucky to have this $$$$ problem instead of living in Europe, Asia or the African continent, where I probably would've lost foot a ft. above my ankle.
Thank God for $$$$ problems.
So many people bitching, bitching, bitching. Good grief Charlie Brown... find somthing to do (job/career), somthing to look forward to (going to job/career/vacation/fishing/etc) and someone to love, thats all you need.
You don't need to be part of a herd! This is your life, don't let other people live it for you! That is slavery!
All these political/religious/radical/greeny weeny and george soros funded groups are trying to convince you to lead their lives.
Stop It!!!

"Few laws limit hospital prices, transparency lacking..."

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