The Crystal Skull, page 1
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reply posted on 20-3-2003 @ 03:01 PM by ~*§±Gl¯W-ßtÔ©k§‹ÔÒJ±§*~
Well I always thought it was clear... atleast thats what I remember them saying,and I remember seeing a video of it... it's been so long ago but I thought it was a CBS special...

I was only 8 at the time... 13 years ago hehe

I found a link with a picture but this is made of Amethyst.. and isn't see through...

The below was taken from:
www.crystalskullsociety.org...
there are 2 pictures there

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This skull is carved from dark purple amethyst. It has temporal indentations on each side of the elongated brain case. The nose and teeth are almost identical to the Mayan. It weighs approximately 8 pounds. The white line you see on the left side of the photograph is often referred to as the suture line because it runs the length of the skull, front to back.
It was brought to the United States around Christmas time in 1982 by an agent of a Maya Priest for quick sale. The Priest who claimed ownership visited Nick in his home, making an offer to allow research in exchange for a fee of $500 per week or $50 per researcher per day. Nick declined the offer. As a result, research information had to be gathered on the spot during the initial visit in February, 1983.
Last known location: San Jose, CA.
*Update: This skull resurfaced in 1998 and is once more for sale. The asking price is $1,000,000.00 (that's dollars folks!). Be advised, however, the documentation accompanying this skull is highly suspect. The paper work from the Mayan skull has been mixed in with that of
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reply posted on 20-3-2003 @ 03:07 PM by ~*§±Gl¯W-ßtÔ©k§‹ÔÒJ±§*~
From: www.crystalskullsociety.org...


I suppose this story really begins in Mexico in 1949. While traveling through the countryside, I met a shaman. A narrow leather cord around his neck had a small crystal skull attached. Through an interpreter who was also my guide, I was told the shaman had been given the skull when he completed training in a seminary. Further conversation enabled me to learn about several ancient crystal skulls of human size.
Thirty years passed. In 1979, through a series of unique connections, I was approached about doing research on a human sized crystal skull. I knew it was the same one I had learned about from the shaman in 1949. A line of communication was established with the priest who claimed to be the owner. Many letters were sent back and forth between California and Mexico before an agreement was reached. If I paid for all the expenses, I would be allowed to research and work with the skull. In October of 1979, I went to the designated location to get the skull.
The Mayan crystal skull is a one piece, human looking skull carved from clear rock quartz crystal which gives the impression of being cloudy. It has temporal indentations on each side of the elongated brain case. The nose and teeth are not clearly defined. It weighs 8 lbs 13 oz. Its true origin, history and circumstances surrounding its finding are cloaked in mystery. I was told by the Mayan priest that he was given permission to sell the skull because the people of the village needed food. It's present whereabouts is unknown.
This skull resided with me for four glorious months. Thirty-three researchers worked almost nightly to gather as much data as possible. Scientists, professors, crystallographers, technicians, sensitives, all became a part of the search for knowledge. The skull was subjected to test after test. Sound Frequency tests, ancient sound tests using whistles, tests using oscillating equipment, meditations, psychometry, seances (some in haunted houses), colored lights, precious & semi-precious stones, magnets, natural jungle sounds ... in short every test we could think of and obtain was used. Each response was recorded and studied.


reply posted on 22-3-2003 @ 07:22 PM by energy_wave
www.crystalskullsociety.org...

The story on this site doesn't quite jive with what I know. The skull was put on display in my hometown twice durring the 90's and Anna Mitchell-Hedges was present to explain her story.

One of the stories was that it was used to transfer the sole/knowlage of the dying old wise man into the body of a young boy.

Also look up ganesh particles. Then put the two together.


reply posted on 22-3-2003 @ 07:23 PM by energy_wave
www.crystalskullsociety.org...

The story on this site doesn't quite jive with what I know. The skull was put on display in my hometown twice durring the 90's and Anna Mitchell-Hedges was present to explain her story.

One of the stories was that it was used to transfer the sole/knowlage of the dying old wise man into the body of a young boy.

Also look up ganesh particles. Then put the two together.


reply posted on 23-3-2003 @ 02:40 AM by dragonrider
What I do find very interesting about this crystal skull is the fact that it is made out of quartz crystal.

First of all, quartz crystals do occassionally occur in nature large enough to make such an artifact, but are extremely rare... Also, it is possible to work quartz with modern tools, to grind, shape, polish, ect. However, regardless of how careful the artist, there is always some telltale signs of it being it being worked, usually a tool mark of some kind, ect. (Quartz has very characteristic conchoidal fracture when it is stressed or impacted, so it is very hard to exert enough pressure to work it without accidentally chipping it, and would therefore be very visible evidence that it had been mechanically worked somehow)

I cannot imagine any current technology, much less an ancient technology that would allow such an artifact to be formed without some kind of tool mark. I have read that it is totally perfect, dimensionally correct, with no tool markings anywhere on it.

Although I have never examined one personally, I would very much like to do so. I would also like to take a sample of the quartz (yeah right, they would let me do that!) and perform an XRD (X Ray Diffraction) analysis... I would be very interested to find its internal crystalline symmetry patterns (normal quartz is hexagonal, or 5 sided symmetry... I am wondering if it might be composed of stichovite, or a form of isotope with 6 sided symmetry... that would open doors for the origin, as stichovite only exists on this planet theoretically as it forms only in super high pressure and temperature, synthetically in a furnace, or fragments found in meteor impact sites....)



reply posted on 23-3-2003 @ 03:06 AM by dragonrider
Hmm dragonrider, if it has a crystaline structure, that would mean it would have to be cut along that structure right? Posted by 5POF

Quartz does have a crystalline structure, however it can still be worked into shapes different from that structure. Indeed, if you take a complete quartz crystal and break it in half, you will see what is called conchoidal fracture, or a smooth radial fracture (fans out sort of like a sea shell) that is not at all similar to the parent crystalline structure. However, it certainly does make working such a crystal extremely difficult.

Diamond has a much different and more rigid crystalline structure and is significantly harder than quartz. One of the main problems with working diamond is that the diamond is often harder than the tool working it. Also, the diamonds are often very small, and that combined with the extreme hardness often complicates any intricate working into non-crystalline shapes. Therefore, it is much easier to simply break the diamond along existing crystal planes.

It is interesting that you bring up the possibility of the skull being made of glass rather than quartz. Glass is SiO2, the exact same as quartz, except that it has been heated to the point that the crystalline structure is destroyed, and reforms without a crystal structure (amorphous quartz). This would also be readily identified with an XRD analysis.

However, I do not believe the skull to be made from glass. First of all, I dont know that any ancient technology existed when it was made to make high grade glass. Secondly, it would be readily obvious if it were glass. Many do not know that glass is actually elastic on an extremely long time table. Glass will eventually (centuries) flow very viscously. (Ever been in a 1700s colonial house with original windows? Notice that they are not clear, but will distort the image through it? Over the centuries, that vertical pane of glass has started running down, getting thicker at the bottom of the pane). If the skull were glass, it would have likely warped and distorted through the ages. The interior crystal structure of quartz keeps it rigid, so that is what I think it is made of.


reply posted on 23-3-2003 @ 07:06 PM by 5POF
It is interesting you bring up such similarities of glass and quarzt crystal.

I would have presumed to say it a hoax, and it to be glass exactly.

But if glass merely is heated and treated differently, but still quartz crystal, then I should say these skulls rather are merely treated in a fassion that simply evades us.

The archaeologists whom discuss this odd artifact never bring up the issue of heat treatment. They simply expect that it was cut and shaped at room temperature.

But I'm sure if they'd analyze it by passing a laser through, they might perhaps see that its structure has been changed through heat.

Granted it wouldn't be "glass" or high grade glass or sort, but at the time the technology was present to heat the material to a thousand degrees at the least. Granted metal working was nearly void in the region, due to a lack of iron, but I should think this would mean they'd focus heat on other objects, such as stone, which the European//Meditteranean cultures did not pick up on as a mastery, until much later.

Afterall, one who sees a rusted nail, and a shinning sword, would think it to be done by magic, when the only magic used was fire.

Glass yes, it is a "liquid" and melts, old cathedral glass is far thicker now at the bottom than when at the top, however, the crystal skull is not supporting any of its weight for it is both small and of a shape not verticle.

You'll find in museums Greek vases made of glass that still have their shape, without the same deformations that a glase panel recieves after years of being erect.

Also would it be possible to simply heat it to a degree that allows a shaping of it, such as the eye sockets, but perhaps not hot enough to completely lose its crystaline structure.

Or maybe even a way of heating and rapid cooling, tempering the stone as you would steel, for when you temper steel you are strengthening its crystaline structure are you not?


reply posted on 23-3-2003 @ 07:39 PM by dragonrider
Granted it wouldn't be "glass" or high grade glass or sort, but at the time the technology was present to heat the material to a thousand degrees at the least. Granted metal working was nearly void in the region, due to a lack of iron, but I should think this would mean they'd focus heat on other objects, such as stone, which the European//Meditteranean cultures did not pick up on as a mastery, until much later. Posted by 5POF

Quartz begins to melt at around 500-600 degrees C: this is a very high temp to achieve given primative methods, but I will agree that it would be possible with a properly constructed kiln with a proper bellows system. However, I have a hard time believing that skulls of this type could be made like this, without some kind of contaminant entering from the furnace. (again, something that could easily be settled by chemical analysis of the crystal)

Also, even if it were largely cast in a molten state, (which would produce glass, not quartz) I still find it hard to believe that some form of tool mark from finishing would not be evident on it somewhere.

Also would it be possible to simply heat it to a degree that allows a shaping of it, such as the eye sockets, but perhaps not hot enough to completely lose its crystaline structure. Or maybe even a way of heating and rapid cooling, tempering the stone as you would steel, for when you temper steel you are strengthening its crystaline structure are you not? Posted by 5POF

I honestly have never performed any kind of experiment to find if it is possible to partially melt a quartz crystal and still retain its crystal structure. My first thought is that it would be difficult or impossible. Keep in mind, quartz is a very stiff material, and unless it was completely heated through all of its mass at a uniform rate, any areas of differential heating will result in differential expansion, resulting in the entire crystal shattering. (Ever put a non-pyrex glass dish in the oven?)

To answer your question about letting it slowly cool, that is what sets up Quartz crystal structure. Glass (amorphous or non crystalline quartz) is what you get when you melt quartz and "quench" it or cool it very quickly, so fast that crystals dont have time to form. The slower you cool it, the better, larger, and more coherently the crystals will form. Therefore, if you melted it and allowed it to cool very slowly, you would only have more crystal structures.

I am not sure that I agree with your idea that it may be a fake, as I cannot see even modern techniques making these skulls without telltale signs, and I believe they have been around since at least the turn of the century or longer.

As for your idea that they are glass that would not deform, I am not sure I agree, but will say it is within the realm of possibility. Either way, a few analysis would certainly explain a lot if we were given access to do so.
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