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Originally posted by unityemissions
Originally posted by network dude
And please, if you would like to discuss the missile/plane theory or any other theory, please start a thread, we are here to discuss why the chemtrail theory is confusing because so many people think different things about it.
Hey ND,
My questions are: Why does it have to be simple?! Why would anyone expect the issue to not be complex?!
A. respiratory illnesses HAVE increased in the last decade or so.
B. Commercial air flights HAVE increased traffic over the same period.
C. It IS possible that the government has black-ops project to spray these chemical trails for one, or many purposes.
D. We have no consensus as to if this truly is or is not happening without reasonable doubt within the CT community.
I think this whole debate is a bit nonsensical at this point. The information which was once available online which seemed to point towards the authenticity of chemtrails has mostly been removed over the years, and various "personalities" have infiltrated the boards obfuscating the truth, imo.
Whatever may be sprayed high in the sky isn't going to stop because some people are yelling about it. The best we can hope is that this is either not happening, else that the intent is benign in nature. Personally, I think this is occurring, but also am not certain that this has anything more to do than simple geo-engineering and possibly some sort of covert vaccination against various biological warfare germs.
At any rate, I believe that illnesses are increasing within the general public, and there are many different vectors for this perceived threat. It seems best to merely try and keep one's body as healthy as possible, by whatever integrative approach one thinks is best for their self. At the end of the day, all that matters is the survival of our species in the long run, imo. So it seems in these perceived crunch times, we should have the wisdom to worry about what we can actually change instead of what is out of our grasp.
Get healthy, have some kiddos, and teach them well. These chemtrails will either be or not, but I'm no longer concerned about them any more.
So now one source sayings its not geoengineering means its not ? How about the article claiming cloud seeding produced 50 rains storms in saudi arabia this summer ?
Since no one knows exactly what that evidence is that is needed to truly convince people, there's not much else to say as we don't know what to look for next...
Originally posted by ZombieJesus
reply to post by Over140
They are purported to be aluminum and boron, cloud seeding.
I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken. Your theory appears to be the result of an amalgamation of propaganda promoted by the "chemtrail" websites.
In this one sentence, you have twisted and combined fallacy with reality in a way that most naive laymen would interpret as intelligent sounding fact, thus enticing them into the web of deceit that has become the "chemtrail" camp, encouraging them to spread "the word", (or maybe the more appropriate term would be "misinformation", unless you are knowingly deceiving people, then the correct term would be "disinformation") on internet forums.
Let's start with cloud seeding. Cloud seeding is a very NON secret attempt at weather manipulation. It is done by inserting silver iodide into EXISTING rain bearing clouds. The silver iodide acts as a "seed" for the existing water molecules in an attempt to make them heavy enough to fall to the ground. The two effective methods for delivering the silver iodide are by aircraft or from the ground. Most aircraft equipped for cloud seeding are small (Cessnas, Piper's) and are not even capable of flying at altitudes where contrails can form. From the ground they are usually launched via a flare mortar because of the much lower altitudes rain clouds can occur at.
In conclusion, cloud seeding IS NOT the white lines in the sky purported to be "chemtrails".
Moving on to your next false statement. Aluminum and Boron.
What it looks like happened here, is that you read through several 'chemtrail' sites, and saw the words ALUMINUM and BARIUM, and decided to use that as your next evidence of "proof", but you were unable to even classify the chemicals correctly, and associated them with the false pretense that cloud seeding is in fact proof of "chemtrails".
The aluminum/BARIUM portion of the hoax mainly originates from the fakeumentory "What in the World are They Spraying?" in supposed soil samples. What many believers tend to ignore is that these tests are done with no control, at ground level, and in some cases purposely done in ares that will be known to have higher trace amounts of elements, and are then touted as absolute proof that chemicals are purposely being sprayed from airlines at 30,000+ feet. Aluminum and barium are both very common elements found all over the planet, and are also common byproducts of industrial operations, which also accounts for the the spread of these chemicals in the environment.edit on 22-1-2011 by ZombieJesus because: (no reason given)
And who cares if a picture i grab off of google images is facing the wrong way ?
Originally posted by Over140
How about the article claiming cloud seeding produced 50 rains storms in saudi arabia this summer ?
Originally posted by Over140
All of a sudden now they say its good and the us has been doing it for years. There are articles on both sides of the discussion, pointing different ways.
Originally posted by Over140
And who cares if a picture i grab off of google images is facing the wrong way ?
Originally posted by Over140
Does that mean there are no pictures out there that are true ?
Originally posted by Over140
Or how about videos or reports ? This is why i ask what will do it for evidence ? Aluminum in my water test ?
Originally posted by Over140
Nothing stands on its own, and chemtrails are just a part of a larger picture, whatever it is.
No sense picking them apart when they are not the root of the problem, simply a execution method at best.
I know what i see and thats all i can really say i guess, perhaps when the sky clears and i get a good vid camera up here i will start a thread based on images i take locally and go from there. You can believe or not believe, but if you didnt think they were something negative, you wouldnt waste any time talking about it, correct ?
Originally posted by Over140
I don't really see a point in arguing over which way a sprayer is pointed, it doesnt matter, insignificant in the grand scale.
Originally posted by Over140
Since no one knows exactly what that evidence is that is needed to truly convince people, there's not much else to say as we don't know what to look for next...
Originally posted by mileslong54
reply to post by network dude
I have to say you are pretty hard core about debunking chemtrail believers, this is like your second or third post this week on how "the chemtrail" theory dosen't exist and those that believe are wrong and many of your replies are copies of your previous post. I guess I don't really get your motive in attacking all chemtrailers.
Here it is
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by chocise
the same was noticed during 9-11. I was searching for the report, but couldn't find it.
Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
I don't buy anything you posted. I think you are a tool, or a fool, but I won't call you a liar.
You stated how the UAE created clouds, but you failed to bring any sources. A minor slip, but I will give you time to bring some credibility to your post.
You appear to have the belief that chemtrail spraying is a ludicrous proposition, that the very idea requires proof...on a conspiracy website nonetheless...but to counter, you bring nothing but an "air" of authoritarian knowledge all atmospheric experiments worldwide.
WOW. But, no sources at all...
How about THIS outlandish theory? You don't know sh*t!
Clue for you. There are NO credible scientists that agree with you that aren't bought and paid for. Most truly credible scientists know that there are very powerful people that can do whatever they want which unfortunately includes spraying whatever the hell they want into the atmosphere.
The evidence may just be over your head, in fact, it is.
Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
I don't buy anything you posted. I think you are a tool, or a fool, but I won't call you a liar.
You stated how the UAE created clouds, but you failed to bring any sources. A minor slip, but I will give you time to bring some credibility to your post.
You appear to have the belief that chemtrail spraying is a ludicrous proposition, that the very idea requires proof...on a conspiracy website nonetheless...but to counter, you bring nothing but an "air" of authoritarian knowledge all atmospheric experiments worldwide.
WOW. But, no sources at all...
How about THIS outlandish theory? You don't know sh*t!
Clue for you. There are NO credible scientists that agree with you that aren't bought and paid for. Most truly credible scientists know that there are very powerful people that can do whatever they want which unfortunately includes spraying whatever the hell they want into the atmosphere.
The evidence may just be over your head, in fact, it is.
Originally posted by vermonster
This thread is a prime example of the 'resident nasties' who appear on ATS apparently only to disprove the obvious existence of chemtrails