Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

*sigh*
Show me the polls that people who watch FOX are stupid.

Then I show you where the polls are wrong, biased, and incorrect.

So you are giving up on that whole "Americans have good taste and know better" thing then? Now you just want to attack polls? Losing ground?

Lets just cut to the chase. You don't like small govrnement. You want big government. S'oky. Some folks want a nanny state.
I don't.

Really? What is it with people putting words in people's mouths here? I am pointing out that FOX is inaccurate and popularity does not change that. That means I want big government?

Are you ok?

I'm just peachy. Just trying to ignore the minuta and get to the point.

Do you want more government?

Originally posted by beezzer
Do you want more government?

I want better government. I have never seen why that necessarily has to be more or less govenment. I feel confident I can advocate better government without advocating more government.

PS, I do not see you so much trying to avoid the minutiae. You actually address several things I said about FOX news. You just completely ignored the lawsuit. I guess FOX fighting for the right to lie is insignifigant but polls you can label biased are important? Not sure I understand that type of selectiveness but I am starting to.

reply to post by whatukno

It is false to say that whatever Limbaugh says becomes the policy of the Republican party. You just reapted a DNC talking point repeated over and over again to slander the Tea Party during the fight against the government take over of the health care industry. Although Rush is a boogeyman to radical leftists, most Americans could care less either way about him.

reply to post by kimar


The Tea Party has been "proped up by the Corporate media"? That is hillarious. Have you been asleep as the Corporate media - in unison: abc,nbc,cnn,msnbc,nytimes,washingtonpost, etc. has been desparately blaming the shooting crime of Jared Scitzoidman on the Tea Party and slandered them as racists and extremeists (and white!)during the health care takeover battle?

The Tea Party rose up in opposition of government bailouts of corporations. The Corporations hate the Tea Party because the Tea Party would make it impossible for the Federal government to have the power and money to be used by them domestically and internationally!

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by beezzer
Do you want more government?

I want better government. I have never seen why that necessarily has to be more or less govenment. I feel confident I can advocate better government without advocating more government.

PS, I do not see you so much trying to avoid the minutiae. You actually address several things I said about FOX news. You just completely ignored the lawsuit. I guess FOX fighting for the right to lie is insignifigant but polls you can label biased are important? Not sure I understand that type of selectiveness but I am starting to.

edit on 16-1-2011 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)

I did not address the lawsuit because I have no clue about it. Haven't watched Fox in months. I ca'nt argue something that I don't know.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by beezzer

 

It's interesting you speak of personal responsibility.

Then why does the right and tea party not take responsibility for its second amendment solutions? Instead they wish to blame the left for everything bad that ever happens....

Have you ever heard of political slander? The Tea Party and Jared have nothing to do with one another. Only 9% of the public are agreeing with this crazy smear. You are in the minority. Americans support all of their freedoms - including the right to self defense.

Originally posted by beezzer
I did not address the lawsuit because I have no clue about it. Haven't watched Fox in months. I ca'nt argue something that I don't know.

Yet you defend FOX against the reality this lawsuit I have mentioned more than twice now demonstrates?
You said you never saw dancing with the stars either but you addressed that.
How does that work?

Sorry, not buying it. You want to defend FOX as accurate but you refuse to acknowledge any evidence counter and your entire argument is that popularity = accuracy because the same people that do watch dancing with the stars are the same people you say are smart.

Originally posted by HAMMERAX
reply to post by EssenSieMich

 

I'm not lefty or righty, but criticizing one side without pointing out the wrong of the other side seems like you'v taken a side. the left does listen to the media so does the right. No one in ether side thinks for themselves its always some popular face, like( Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and so forth that brings up an argument and pushes it like a the big red button. Its as if all these guys have a secret meeting on what to attack next. i listen to all these guys, and i also listen to the left and what i figured out is that our society is a propaganda state.
people can't make up there own minds, we are like baby's soaking up all this propaganda. I know lots of Left/Right wingers, when something goes wrong they blame the other side literally.

If a left wing president does something right or wrong he gets bashed.
If a right wing president does something right or wrong he gets bashed.
!!REALLY!!

No one wants government in our lives, but when push comes to shove who do we call?
Natural disaster, HELP!
My lights went out HELP!
To much snow in NY clean it yourself.

IM INDEPENDENT

As an independent, you still have to analyze what is going on and who you believe. The right presents a case for their ideas and the Left does the same. It seems cool to be "above it all" but you are not. You still have to decide if you support the ideology of International Marxism or the ideology of the Amerian constitution. The Democrats are Marxist and the Republicans are about half and half.

reply to post by Sinnthia

As far as I know, Fox is accurate. Just because I've been out of the country and haven't had access to tv shouldn't disqualify me from stating an opinion. Can you provide a link to the suit?
As for dancing. Never seen that either. I know Palin's daughter was on it. But never had the chance to watch it.

Very well put op, the only thing that you left out is that liberalism-left has a train of thought that there way, is the only feasible way to do things, bravo, bravo for you, i see the left came out in full force, love to see them rascals flustered and beside themselves

Since my posts continue to "go missing" I am treading lightly and shall remain ON TOPIC. It is my opinion that staying "On Topic" sometimes requires contemplation of source along with motive and manner in which a thread's concepts are presented.

I'd like to call specific attention to the poignant false tale embedded in OP:

Originally posted by EssenSieMich

Let me tell you a little story...

When my great grandfather was a young man he wanted to play baseball with the team that was local to his hometown back in Georgia. He was a very talented kid but he wasn't allowed to play because the color of his skin wasn't right. Once when he was a little boy my great great grandmother was taking him to Chicago one day to visit relatives. It was a hot summer day at the train station and he wanted to get a drink of water, but unfortunately he couldn't because the fountain for his color wasn't working and he wasn't allowed to get a drink from the other fountain that did. He used to tell me how things like that made him feel bad and vowed that he would treat all people the same when he grew up without regard for the color of their skin. You see he said, it's not easy being a poor share croppers child growing up on the wrong side of the tracks near Atlanta. The only baseball team within walking distance was in the Negro League and it didn't matter how talented you were if the color of your skin was white.

Compelling if true but as OP buried the disclaimer in the thread's LAST PARAGRAPH which I presume are seldom read in a rather lengthy post. (inverted pyramid style) I just want to insure the members responding realize IT IS A FAKE STORY. The manner of mea culpa is rather suspect IMO and I think the purposely misleading story was included to garner sympathy.

Further questionable tactics are evidenced by the alleged link that the OP is neutral by linking to another thread. THAT THREAD was a UNIVERSAL attack on media and IN NO WAY singled out the Right/Conservative base in the manner this thread lambasts the Left.

I chose to address the left in this thread primarily because they seem to be the most in need of waking up, and because I already addressed the lies of the right in another thread HERE. The story of 'my grandfather' is a fictional example to illustrate how easily facts can be spun to create an emotional response in any target audience - because this is what they do. If you haven't yet woke up to the false left/right paradigm I hope that you will have a desire to learn, all of the facts can be found right here on ATS and there are countless people ready to help you reach enlightenment.

I implore anyone who is genuinely devoted to "Denying Ignorance"to do your reading folks and recognize DisInfo and manipulation at it's finest. In a nutshell: Always CONSIDER THE SOURCE. I politely request this post is left to stand.

I still find it silly and immature that people still get caught up in their respective political parties and banter back and forth like school children at a football game.

The US is both lucky and unfortunate to have a two party dominated system. They couldn't handle anything more. A two party system allows people to stay within their limited comfort zone of being either a donkey or an elephant. As a population, the US couldn't even handle 3 or 4 dominant parties debating with each other over issues (which would amount more to feuding than being an actual structured debate). The US cannot collectively handle that type of growth and diversity in opinion, which will be problematic for the US as the nation heads for the police state that its bringing upon itself.

The democrats want bigger government. The republicans want bigger military. Congratulations, you'll get both.

reply to post by aching_knuckles

This may be the case, but we need to cut out the corruption, not the rules.

The Laws have been there for years. YOUR rights stop at the beginning of my nose, and the beginning of my property line. Criminal trespass laws if enforced would solve a lot of the problems. The old law that called for the government TESTING food and other products would also solve a lot of the problems but HACCP closed the government food testing labs!!!!

Unfortunately the same Syphilitic sons of a she camel who saddled us with a huge wasteful and costly bureaucracy, convinced government and judges that pollution was the "Price of Progress" prior to the seventies. Now the same bunch tell us paperwork could substitute for TESTING!

Peanut Quality - How did the Food Inspection Fail? explains exactly how the "New Improved 1996 Food Safety System" is an absolute and utter failure and WHY our food illnesses spiked after HACCP was implemented. I graphed Food borne illnesses by type and year direct from the Center for Disease Control a few years ago so I am not speaking based on hard evidence.

reply to post by Sinnthia

Do you know the average IQ in the US? Do you know people really watch FOX because they are smart and know it is the truth or because people are stupid and like to be entertained? The very fact that the three things I listed have all been number 1 in something kind of proves you wrong, no?

The education system in the USA is terrible.

"For 10 years, William Schmidt, a statistics professor at Michigan State University, has looked at how U.S. students stack up against students in other countries in math and science. "In fourth-grade, we start out pretty well, near the top of the distribution among countries; by eighth-grade, we're around average, and by 12th-grade, we're at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa."
:Source

For the serfs that is. Of course the elite are going to make sure their OWN offspring get a very good education.

Classical education has been the foundation of college preparatory schools across the country for centuries. Schools like Phillips Andover, Phillips Exeter, Boston Latin School, and Stonybrook are examples of highly acclaimed classical preparatory schools. We know of no system that has a better record of producing academic excellence than classical education. www.theambroseschool.org...

SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED??? and WHY???

Dumbing Down America

Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society. Dewey wrote in Democracy and Education, published in 1916:

When knowledge is regarded as originating and developing within an individual, the ties which bind the mental life of one to that of his fellows are ignored and denied.

When the social quaility of individualized mental operations is denied, it becomes a problem to find connections which will unite an individual with his fellows. Moral individualism is set up by the conscious separation of different centers of life. It has its roots in the notion that the consciousness of each person is wholly private, a self-inclosed continent. intrinsically independent of the ideas, wishes, purposes of everybody else.

And he wrote in School and Society in 1899:

The tragic weakness of the present school is that it endeavors to prepare future members of the social order in a medium in which the conditions of the social spirit are eminently wanting ...

Kinda hard to blame the dumbing down of Americans on the RIGHT now isn't it

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Kinda hard to blame the dumbing down of Americans on the RIGHT now isn't it.

So you cite data over 100 years old? Sorry but I fail to be grasping the correlation given there have been 11 Republican Presidents over last 100 years. (Spanning approx 66 years)


Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909)
William Howard Taft (1909–1913)
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961)
Richard Nixon (1969–1974)
Gerald Ford (1974–1977)
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989)
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993)
George W. Bush (2001–2009)

Source

And we know how much Republicans loathe the DOE.

reply to post by inforeal

So what is that a good thing. . . . That is something the Tea Party and the progressives can agree on and eliminate for the common good.

There is something very simple that the Tea Party and the progressives alike could agree on. MAKE the BANKERS abide by the same laws we do. Specifically the laws of contract!

First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Daly (1969)

Drexler hadn't given much credence to the theory of the defense, until Mr. Morgan, the bank's president, took the stand. To everyone's surprise, Morgan admitted that the bank routinely created money "out of thin air" for its loans, and that this was standard banking practice. "It sounds like fraud to me," intoned Presiding Justice Martin Mahoney amid nods from the jurors. In his court memorandum, Justice Mahoney stated:

Plaintiff admitted that it, in combination with the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, . . . did create the entire $14,000.00 in money and credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful consideration must exist and be tendered to support the Note.

www.webofdebt.com...

ALL banks practice the same sleight of hand as the First National Bank of Montgomery did. And they do it on ALL loans, corporate, mortgage, credit card, state and FEDERAL. Do you understand just how much WEALTH (your labor) the bankers are siphoning from the citizens of this country???

Think about it
Almost 50% of the 14 trillion dollar National Debt
Who knows how much the state and corporate debt comes to
and then there is the personal debt.

The Average credit card debt per household with credit card debt: $15,788 the total debt $852.6 billion, as of March 2010. Only 15 percent of freshmen had a zero balance so the banks are hooking people very young. SOURCE

The financial obligations ratio measures the amount of consumer debt in the DSR, but adds to this measure expenses such as car lease payments, rental properties, property taxes and homeowner's insurance. As of November 2010, this financial obligations ratio stood at 15.27% for homeowners and 23.99% for renters. What this data tells us is that the typical homeowner spends around 15% of their disposable income just to own their homes and cars, while renters spend nearly 24% of their income on these same types of debts. www.money-zine.com...

Do you think that on this one issue we can all agree the villian is the bankers and the politicians who keep suporting them?

This by the way is only the tip of the iceberg.

From the beginning of 1964 to the end of 2010 the bankers have made $1961.967 billion dollars in fiat currency! That is the amount they increased the money supply 2016.205 billion - 54.238 billion.

What does that mean to the average American?

In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker. timelines.ws...

Here is a money supply/gold/wage chart:
Date.....$ /oz gold.. Money supply......minimum wage...min wage in gold..CEO pay in gold
1971 ......40.62.............. 81 billion...........$1.60 ...................0.0394 oz.
1976 ......124.74 ........... $113 billion.......$2.30.....................0.0184 oz............0.663.oz
1985 .....354.20 ...........$205 billion........$3.35.....................0.0094 oz.
1994 .....409.80........... $ 406 billion.......$4.25......................0.0104.oz.
2006 .....636.30 ...........$808 billion........$5.15.....................0.0081 oz.
2008 .....880.30........... $831 billion........$5.85.....................0.0066 oz.............2.44.oz
2009...1,020.28...........$1663 billion........$6.55.....................0.0064.oz.


If you look at the table the typical American CEO is actually paid five times MORE in “buying power” compared to 1976 while the rest of us are now paid a third of what we were paid in 1976. The price of gold indicates the steady devaluation of the US dollar as its purchasing power is diluted by the ever increasing supply of fiat money.

At the same time our wages were devalued, the price of goods was inflated thanks to taxes and the increased money supply. Therefore we can no longer SAVE to buy things. All the excess "fat" from the economy has been siphoned off and placed in the bankers' pockets. We are now in a vicious cycle of more and more debt.

I really suggest every one slog through
A PRIMER ON MONEY COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WRIGHT PATMAN Chairman 1964

and then read Mises on Money for an explanation of how money really works and a solution to the mess the bankers and their pet KEYNESIAN economists got us into.

Mises suggests a two part solution. Make bankers abide by contract law. If they expect you to pay a $100,000 principle back then the better have LOANED you $100,000 and not a computer key stroke.

Second no more increasing the money supply - FREEZE IT!

New money does not appear magically in equal percentages in all people's bank accounts or under their mattresses. Money spreads unevenly, and this process has varying effects on individuals, depending on whether they receive early or late access to the new money

It is these losses of the groups that are the last to be reached by the variation in the value of money which ultimately constitute the source of the profits made by the mine owners and the groups most closely connected with them

This indicates a fundamental aspect of Mises's monetary theory that is rarely mentioned: the expansion or contraction of money is a zero-sum game.

To put it more bluntly those who received early access to the new money. the banks, government and Corporations, STOLE the profits from the poor and middle class who unknowingly paid in devaluation of their wages and inflation of the products they need to buy.

The Tea Party billionaire Koch brothers encourage people like this...

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