Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by beezzer
Do you think that maybe if they're number 1 that they might be right? I mean, you have CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS. . . but FOX beats them all.

If FOX was "right" they would not have fought in court for and won the right to force their "reporters" to report proven and known lies. Yet, they did.

Things in the US are not populare because they are "right." Dancing with the Stars, Pizza Hut, Paris Hilton, ETC. We have terrible taste and an insatiable need to be entertained.

Never watched dancing with the stars.
Had Pzza Hut once with the bride, it sucked.
Paris Hilton is a bimbo.

But people are smart. I'll give them credit for knowing what is right and what is bull poopoo. And that is reflected in the ratings.

reply to post by inforeal

It’s not a straw man to talk about the infrastructure because the national engineering group has warned us that we are in trouble because we are not tending to the infrastructure and bridges are falling.

You did not follow through on the topic.

Our bridges and roads have been sold to foreign interests. They are not interested in maintaining the structures any more than a slumlord is interested in maintaining a ghetto apartment building.

In 1992, George H.W. Bush signed Executive Order 12803, which gave D.C. the authority to sell America's infrastructure. They called this authority "Infrastructure Privatization." E.O. 12803 tells us this power cleared the way for the "disposition or transfer of an infrastructure "asset" such as by sale or by long-term lease from a State or local government to a private party."

E.O. 12803 also lists examples of America's saleable and/or lease-able infrastructure:

· Roads
· Tunnels
· Bridges
· Electricity supply facilities
· Mass transit
· Rail transportation
· Airports
· Ports
· Waterways
· Recycling/wastewater treatment facilities
· Solid waste disposal facilities
· Hospitals
· Prisons
· Schools
· Housing

E.O. 12803 tells us that this list represents infrastructure... www.rense.com...

the list of EO's with links en.wikisource.org...:George_Herbert_Walker_Bush/Executive_orders

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by inforeal

 

Then provde facts, not rhetoric.

Obama raised the EPA budget 30% his first year in office. Do we really need that?

With scenes like this....30% isn't near enough.

www.youtube.com...

Facts not rhetoric! Do you think that just perhaps this spill will eventually affect the health of people living in the area and even their unborn with birth defects and still births? It's just a matter of time.

reply to post by whaaa


Ok. Then you and I have no more reason to discuss. You are pro Obama, pro big government, pro control.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by beezzer
Never watched dancing with the stars.
Had Pzza Hut once with the bride, it sucked.
Paris Hilton is a bimbo.

I get that. I do not care for any of those things myself. The problem is that you and I are just two people and popular opinion does not agree with us. I was not talking about what you specifically find entertaining. I was addressing the popular opinion in America is drawn to. Do you think your personal dislike changes that? I did not see the movie "Avatar." I had no interest in seeing it. That does not however mean it was not popular.

But people are smart. I'll give them credit for knowing what is right and what is bull poopoo. And that is reflected in the ratings.

Do you know the average IQ in the US? Do you know people really watch FOX because they are smart and know it is the truth or because people are stupid and like to be entertained? The very fact that the three things I listed have all been number 1 in something kind of proves you wrong, no?

Have you ever seen any of the polls that regularly show FOX viewers know less about history and current events?

I am really curious why you just skipped over what I said about them going to court. I do not understand how someone can pretend FOX is accurate or honest with the knowledge that they spent time and money fighting for the right to lie. The only way to make that work in my head is to ignore it completely.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by whaaa

 

Ok. Then you and I have no more reason to discuss. You are pro Obama, pro big government, pro control.

Good luck with that.

I see....so when "facts" are not to your liking, they are just thrown out the window eh?
I notice that you lack the gumption to even try and respond to my posts that I directed to you.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by whaaa

 

Ok. Then you and I have no more reason to discuss. You are pro Obama, pro big government, pro control.

Good luck with that.

Crybaby!

Now who's painting with an broad brush with labels and name calling? Some catastrophes are just too big for the states to handle.

Don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense.

reply to post by aching_knuckles

Obama raised the EPA budget 30% his first year in office. Do we really need that?

Im not sure....I sort of like not choking on chemicals when I breathe air.

No one bothers to look behind the curtain. Sanchoearlyjones, an ATS member, said his brother worked for EPA and he was told to leave Exxon alone and go after the Mom and Pop businesses.

I have followed the FDA and USDA and it is the same thing. The US bureaucracy is crammed full of the corporate Cartels puppets. The bug corporations get a Get Out of Jail Free Card the little guy gets plastered.

Jolley: Five Minutes With John Munsell & A Trip To The Woodshed With The USDA

One day, a long, long time ago, Big John noticed something amiss. Contaminated meat was coming in the back door of his very small plant. “That’s not right,” he thought and called the authorities.

They arrived ready to right a wrong; after all, that was what they are paid to do, an earnest and dedicated group of men and women charged with safeguarding much of America’s food supply.

An inspector, armed with many official looking pieces of paper, looked Big John in the eye and said, “Assume the position!”

John was frisked. The authorities stopped just short of a full body cavity search. It was a very thorough exam.

“Wait,” protested Big John. “The meat came in with bad stuff already on it. I didn’t put it there. Go after the people who sent it to me!”

“Obviously you don’t understand the way we do things around here,” chuckled the inspector who was amused by Big John’s apparent naivety. “We found the bad stuff in your possession; therefore you have to be the bad guy.”

John was frisked again. This time, the authorities included a full body cavity search. It was VERY thorough exam.

“Wait,” protested Big John again. “All this bad stuff came from (deleted), a very large company that might be shipping lots more of that bad stuff to thousands of people. I can prove the bad stuff came from them. PLEASE go after them!”

“No, No, we can’t go after (deleted),” said the now impatient inspectors. “Don’t even say that name. We found the bad stuff here so you must suffer the consequences! We have to protect the public!”

So, to protect the public, John was shown the back door. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of pounds of meat was destroyed.

A few months later, (deleted), now known as Conagra, recalled 19 million pounds of beef that was potentially contaminated with E. coli 0157:H7.....

Stan Painter the head of the USDA inspectors Union was placed on probation for the sin of bring his union members complaints to the attention of the head of the USDA. They even tried to file criminal charges against him! A FOIA by his union uncovered over 1000 noncompliance reports that were swept under the rug by the USDA.

All of this came out at a Congressional hearing on the Hallmark mess. A second hearing in the Senate found Stan Painter's claims "Unsubstantiated"

The bureaucracy is there to stomp on the little guy and nothing more.

Government-industry revolving door:
www.sourcewatch.org...
There are 5,584 congressional staffers in the OpenSecrets Revolving Door: www.opensecrets.org...

Obama's Revolving door:
www.opensecrets.org...
www.sfexaminer.com...
www.salon.com...

The Best Oligarchy Money Can Buy: Revolving Door Between Government and Private Sector Reaches Appalling New Highs: www.media-ocracy.com...

reply to post by Sinnthia


Why bother? He is being willfully ignorant. You will never be able to talk logic to these kind of people - they only believe "facts" that fit with their world view.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Obama raised the EPA budget 30% his first year in office. Do we really need that?

Im not sure....I sort of like not choking on chemicals when I breathe air.

No one bothers to look behind the curtain. Sanchoearlyjones, an ATS member, said his brother worked for EPA and he was told to leave Exxon alone and go after the Mom and Pop businesses.

I have followed the FDA and USDA and it is the same thing. The US bureaucracy is crammed full of the corporate Cartels puppets. The bug corporations get a Get Out of Jail Free Card the little guy gets plastered.

This may be the case, but we need to cut out the corruption, not the rules. Just because Dow can afford to pay off a senator, and Momandpop Inc., cant, doesnt mean that we should say that there are no regulations and it is the Wild West and you can do whatever you want.

Maybe if we executed corrupt officials and banksters, within a week, like China. No getting a soft jail cell like DeLay or Bernie Madoff. Immediate execution.

reply to post by Sinnthia


*sigh*
Show me the polls that people who watch FOX are stupid.

Then I show you where the polls are wrong, biased, and incorrect.

Lets just cut to the chase. You don't like small govrnement. You want big government. S'oky. Some folks want a nanny state.
I don't.

I dont want a nanny state either. But I also dont want "no rules, everything goes" - corporate anarchy.
Anarchy cant work in regular society....why do people think it would work in the profit-driven corporate world??

In the old west, if you went into town, you had to give up your guns....start going on about the 2nd amendment and the sherriff would have shot you. Sometimes, you needs rules.

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by whaaa

 

Ok. Then you and I have no more reason to discuss. You are pro Obama, pro big government, pro control.

Good luck with that.

Crybaby!

Now who's painting with an broad brush with labels and name calling? Some catastrophes are just too big for the states to handle.

Don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense.

edit on 16-1-2011 by whaaa because: (no reason given)

No crying here. If that's what you want then good luck. Jut don't want to debate with someone who's ideology is so socialist.
Good luck with that.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


Then what do YOU want?

Nanny state, bad.
Anarchy, bad.

Where would YOU draw the line?

reply to post by beezzer


Naah Bezzer. I have been reading your comments and you seem to be reasonable. Guess what . I want small govrnment also. We can't afford otherwise.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Then what do YOU want?

Nanny state, bad.
Anarchy, bad.

Where would YOU draw the line?

Somewhere in the middle...yknow, like a moderate, reasonable human being, and not an extremist.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by beezzer

 

Naah Bezzer. I have been reading your comments and you seem to be reasonable. Guess what . I want small govrnment also. We can't afford otherwise.

Thank you. Not about hate, not about party line. To be honest, I'm all about my kids, and what kind of world we will be leaving them.

And ironically enough, I consider my self a moderate. Life is funny like that.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Then what do YOU want?

Nanny state, bad.
Anarchy, bad.

Where would YOU draw the line?

Somewhere in the middle...yknow, like a moderate, reasonable human being, and not an extremist.

And ironically enough, I consider my self a moderate. Life is funny like that.

Im sure some members of Al Queda would claim to be quite moderate as well. Just because you call yourself something, doesnt mean you are.

Originally posted by beezzer





No crying here. If that's what you want then good luck. Jut don't want to debate with someone who's ideology is so socialist.
Good luck with that.

Why am I not suprised....

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