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Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Great, so 150 years ago, Republicans were against racism. Whats the track record since then? Because now, I know quite a few racist people, and not one of them is a Democrat. All are Republicans that hate "n-------".




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

You actually think that giving the government more control over everything is going to give the people any more power?...



edit on 17-1-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: errors.


Well, our government is supposed to be OF the People, FOR the people, BY the people. So whose fault is it that it is not?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
I agree OP. I was a young liberal, and now I'm a still-relatively-young conservative.


Your inexperience is showing. If you are swinging sides like that early in life, you are like all kids....you dont know what you want and so you listen to those who shout the loudest.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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I completely agree with your signature, by the way. It's not about left or right. Those differences are merely cultural. The truth is we are all being screwed by greed.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by EssenSieMich
reply to post by GhostLancer
 


I'll probably write something about that soon. As you can see in allot of these posts the majority of people are terrified when you start to expose their control systems.


It is funny you talk about control systems

You are talking this jive

And then you questioning why people are offending by the TEA party?

This movement was promoted by FOX news, who receives ad dollars, all their funding, from corporate America and Multinational works via those ad dollars.

So you talk about control structure,,, How bout a movement that was funded and orchestrated by the same machine that brought us 2000 to 2008... Very grass rootsy for sure, the same outlet that sold America the NEED for the patriot Act also promoted and shaped the TEA party agenda post Ron Paul. So your whole OP is going right past the money there Bucko, Fox has not changed, the GOP is not any different. The new speaker is a lobby whore all the same, the GOP and the TEA party are going press for a new ASIAN free trade agreement

BTW 2nd amendment remedies meant tasking a duke on cerebral cortex's all across this lead poisoned land

doesn't sound too exciting.

Waiting for theTacky bumper sticker to make come back


Bejeweled Bald Eagles humping a 45, the true face of the TEA party

Amen



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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And isn't that the same party which has presided over the greatest expansion of the Federal Government in US history? Isn't that the same party which brought us the USA Patriot Act,


Actually the party who brought us the greatest expansion of the Federal Government in US history was the DEMOCRATIC party under FDR. According to his son-in-law, Curtis Dall, FDR had little actual power and had a "coaching staff" who represented the international banking cartel. SEE:
www.thirdworldtraveler.com...
hubpages.com...

So what did FDR do that was the greatest expansion of the Federal Government in US history?

FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court to dilute the influence of the uncooperative "nine old men," as a result of this threat SCOTUS ruled in Wickard v. Filburn

[The wheat] supplies a need of the man who grew it which would otherwise be reflected by purchases in the open market. Home-grown wheat in this sense competes with wheat in commerce.



This is where the "Commerce Clause" comes from that allows the US government a say over what you grow in your garden or do on your own land.

This boys and girls is the single Supreme Court ruling that allows the Federal government to interfere with the internal affairs of each state. It is the single Supreme Court ruling that was the foundation for the Federal government we have to day.

If you want the two turning points for the USA. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and this Supreme Court Ruling are it. This is where we lost our freedom, everything else is just details.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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You keep posting this about how Rockefeller bought the media and made it left wing.

I am so sick of "the left wing media", it is a joke. Please, name me the LEFT WING CONSPIRATORS we see on TV every day screaming rhetoric at us. Please, let me know the LEFTY equivalent of RUSH or BECK or HANNITY or OREILLY......YOU CANT because THERE ISNT ONE.

Left wing media my ass. Left wing media would constantly be talking about social upheaval and revolutions. Left wing media surely would not push the ridiculous amount of corporate propaganda we have now.

We are INUNDATED with conservative, right wing propaganda from all channels, even CNN.

If you think the American media is LEFT WING, you must never have watched ANY NEWS PROGRAM EVER.

If you want liberal media, try reading thebuffalobeast.com



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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well there is no such thing as the TEA PARTY. the fine folks that got labeled the TEA PARTY saw a common theme TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY Party. Yea, that will work.... but that is how they keep everyone on their side. they tell them what group they belong too... and then they start demonizing that group to shock you in to rejecting that platform in the process. leaving you wondering who's side are you on. and thats the beauty of the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution. Both Documents make it abundantly clear who side your on.
so turn off the TV and pick up the founding documents. Problem Solved.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

You actually think that giving the government more control over everything is going to give the people any more power?...



edit on 17-1-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: errors.


Well, our government is supposed to be OF the People, FOR the people, BY the people. So whose fault is it that it is not?


People who want the government to do nothing for them?

Or the same people who use the government to bolster big business with deregulatory loop holes?

Or the same same people who fail to see that government is as good as the people you put in place or the ideas that create the governance itself


edit on 17-1-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Allright, so instead of blaming the GOP, for creating the DHS monster within the past couple years, you are going to go 70 years back in history to single out FDR, despite all that has happened since then?

What are you talking about? What happened to the mantra of "personal responsibility"? All the Republicans want everyone to "own up" and be "personally responsible", unless it is them.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Their control scheme is not to divide, but to make Americans FORGET.


They use both schemes and a lot more. They control the media, our education system, our "Activist groups" our money our jobs and our politicians.

You might want to read up on The Delphi Technique for Controlling Public Meetings – What it is, and how to counter it

As you can see by reading the bit below it is a technique we see all the time. Isn't this what we are presently seeing applied to the Tea Party?


"Using the "divide and conquer" technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic."





...In Educating for the New World Order by B. Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is "…lay, or community, participation (in the decision-making process), while lay citizens were, in fact, being squeezed out." The Delphi Technique is the method being used to squeeze citizens out of the process,...

The change agent or facilitator goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms "task forces," "urges everyone to make lists," and so on. While s/he is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. S/He identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the "weak or noncommittal".

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." S/He dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.

The desired result is for group polarization, and for the facilitator to become accepted as a member of the group and group process. S/He will then throw the desired idea on the table and ask for opinions during discussion. Very soon his/her associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and pressure the entire group to accept the proposition.

This technique is a very unethical method of achieving consensus on a controversial topic in group settings. It requires well-trained professionals who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against the other, so as to make one viewpoint appear ridiculous so the other becomes "sensible" whether such is warranted or not.... www.learn-usa.com...


This is some of the actual directions given to the "Other Side" in the Farm Wars.

epress.anu.edu.au...
...A simple form was developed to assist farmers and extension officers, in particular, to develop the stories. The Delphi technique was used with some 150 program stakeholders to develop the domains of change—namely, changes in on-farm practice, changes in profitability or productivity, changes in farmer decision-making skills and any other significant types of change. After the establishment of a reference group, the staff and others involved through program committees were asked to write stories on the forms provided for that purpose. Few were forthcoming so stories were also captured from verbal presentations at meetings and transcribed onto the forms....



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Actually, most political theorists believe that FDR saved capitalism. What other options would you have employed to combat the Depression?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Vicky32
First, define professional left! Second, don't just assert, give some evidence. Third - oh, why bother... It's as the poster below you said, hyperbole! (Or, I would go as far as to say, complete bollices....)
Vicky


i agree with you 100%, my fine kiwi friend. or as some like to say, the OP's elevator does not go all the way up to the top floor. the professional left? where are they? why haven't i heard from this group?
or...maybe...this is like when FOX NEWS reported on the rise of the black panthers again in the united states...it turned out to be 2 black guys making rediculous statements concerning that movement from decades ago.
what amazes me is how this is still an effective way of duping people in 2011



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
Isn't this what we are presently seeing applied to the Tea Party?


I would argue the TEA party has been a victim of the very process you posted -

You look at the sponsor and primary promotor, do you see the patriot act, the wars, the spending, the expansion
and the bubble???

The same agent that helped create the climate for the TEA partys ire, then lead the charge and laid the ground work
for the MSM version of Ron Pauls movement against its own previous dedication to creating THIS.

I see that the TEA party was riled up that same as they were riled up about terrorists, the eternal threat

from turbans, to soviets

divide and conquer



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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If you think the American media is LEFT WING, you must never have watched ANY NEWS PROGRAM EVER.


You are correct. I quit watching that garbage in 1976, when I tossed the boob tube. However what about NPR radio, what about Huffington Post. Heck both my brothers-in-law and my Father-in -law are journalists and ALL of them lean way left! Interestingly my Father-in-law stated the only place you will find the truth in the news is the Wall Street Journal and the Christian Science Monitor.


Fox News, Glen Beck and company are needed as part of the left-wing/right-wing divide and conquer routine. You have to have two sides and if you sit in the center, as I do you can SEE there are two sides and they have been set at each others throats. This is a diversionary tack, and YOU a a fine example of how well it works.

I consistently try to show the Bankers and Corporate Cartels are manipulating us. THAT means they control the right wing propaganda AND the LEFT WING PROPAGANDA!

Are you so blind you can no see that?

Back to "If you think the American media is LEFT WING,"

I do not have to THINK, all I have to do is look at the research, from one of the most LEFT WING Universities in the USA no less! One of the things that is also interesting is the definition of "Left" is journalists' with views that are to the left of the public! Not what I would call a good definition since the criteria keeps moving.



Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.

These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.

"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."

....Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party



The reasons are quite simple actually:
(3 pictures = 3,000 words.)



(3 more.) Overt racism, bigotry and intolerance. (oh and poor spelling)
edit on 17-1-2011 by kinda kurious because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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People who want the government to do nothing for them?

Or the same people who use the government to bolster big business with deregulatory loop holes?

Or the same same people who fail to see that government is as good as the people you put in place or the ideas that create the governance itself


We certainly agree there!

For example the FDA is not for the people. I learned that in the sixties when the FDA refused to even LOOK at a drug that arrested Rheumatoid Arthritis and left the victim pain free.

This is not hearsay this is based on first hand knowledge. My doctor's joints were so deformed she looked like a classic witch. She took the drug (in another country) and became completely pain free. She was very active in the fight to get the FDA to at least START the approval process. She even appeared on National TV talk show.

That was a half a century ago, so where is the drug??? It never even made it to first base!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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People who want the government to do nothing for them?

Or the same people who use the government to bolster big business with deregulatory loop holes?

Or the same same people who fail to see that government is as good as the people you put in place or the ideas that create the governance itself


We certainly agree there!

For example the FDA is not for the people. I learned that in the sixties when the FDA refused to even LOOK at a drug that arrested Rheumatoid Arthritis and left the victim pain free.

This is not hearsay this is based on first hand knowledge. My doctor's joints were so deformed she looked like a classic witch. She took the drug (in another country) and became completely pain free. She was very active in the fight to get the FDA to at least START the approval process. She even appeared on National TV talk show.

That was a half a century ago, so where is the drug??? It never even made it to first base!



This is the second time you made this point, and I will post what I posted before:

Just because the people enforcing the rules are corrupt, doesnt mean that you get rid of the rules.
There are dirty cops...does that mean we just throw all laws out the window? Murder is now cool?

The rules and angencies enforcing them are not the problem....the corruption where large companies can afford to (and it is cheaper to) pay someone off as opposed to not producing the poison product.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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If you think the American media is LEFT WING, you must never have watched ANY NEWS PROGRAM EVER.


You are correct. I quit watching that garbage in 1976, when I tossed the boob tube. However what about NPR radio, what about Huffington Post.


Wait so you havent seen a TV since 1976, but you are making broad sweeping statements about left wing media? Come on. What is your frame of reference? You are comparing NPR to FOX? I can go to NPR website right now and pull out the articles that have a right leaning slant. You must really be joking. Go watch some current TV, and come back to me and tell me you can really tell me its left wing.

If our schools and media are so left wing, and indoctrinating students, how do you explain the sudden rise in america of conservative outrage and outspokenness? Its never been like this anytime in my life, all I hear about is "taxes" and :socialism" and "communism".

I hear more about Communism now than when Russia was still an actual threat.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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Hating people never solves anything. The left hating the right and the right hating the left does no one any good. All this violence needs to stop. Civil debate still should be used.



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