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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
ABSURD! Genesis 1 speaks about the creation week in general, Genesis 2 gives the specifics of day six.
Newspapers do this style on a daily basis. The headline will give a brief, and the remainder of the article gives all the nuts and bolts details. You realize the chapter and verse numbers were added centuries ago right?
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Billions, not millions. And not blobs of cells, single celled organisms. At least get the point you're attacking sorted out properly.
I hope you realize how ridiculously complex even a single cell is.
It's exponentially more complex than the world's largest integrated factory.
the statistical probability for hemoglobin ALONE to happen by chance is 10 the the 650th power.
Anything above 10 to the 50th power is considered "impossible".
Speaking of which, what evolved first, the DNA or the protein for the cell?
At least demonstrate some knowledge of the Bible before you reference it!
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread645133/pg4#pid10233372]post by .
That is why I could respond to your claims as you quoted, but I won't.
It's a waste of my time, and yours too actually.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
At least demonstrate some knowledge of the Bible before you reference it!
Nice try, wrong again on ALL counts.
You just know how to expertly formulate bogus arguments from the bible, which you don't even believe are true anyways, you are the epitome of a "Devils Advocate".
That is why I could respond to your claims as you quoted, but I won't.
It's a waste of my time, and yours too actually.
I'm going to have to lay the theological guilt trip on you.
Don't give to dogs what belongs to God. They will only turn and attack you. Don't throw pearls down in front of pigs. They will trample all over them.
So don't bother correcting mockers; they will only hate you. But correct the wise, and they will love you.
Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.
He who corrects a mocker invites insult. He who reproves a wicked man invites abuse.
a mocker refuses to listen to correction.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
I'm going to have to lay the theological guilt trip on you.
Now that really won't work, in fact it has quite the reverse effect, because I have tried to be reasonable with you in the past, and you have proven to be unmovable even in area's we actually agree on.
For example we both agree the Sun was created before the earth, yet you foolishly continued to say I shouldn't believe that, even when I agree with you and the science on the issue.
So really if I can't make progress with even basic areas of science that we agree on, how much more hopeless is it on area's we can't.
Actually a well informed christian knows that the bible says that after all reasonable efforts have been made to educate the unbeliever, to actually stop if no progress is being made and especially if the said unbeliever is making mockery of the discussion.
Even Jesus says there is a time to move on and stop wasting time.
Mathew 7:6
Don't give to dogs what belongs to God. They will only turn and attack you. Don't throw pearls down in front of pigs. They will trample all over them.
King Solomon had some good advise in this area too.
Proverbs 9:8
So don't bother correcting mockers; they will only hate you. But correct the wise, and they will love you.
Proverbs 23:9
Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.
Proverbs 9:7
He who corrects a mocker invites insult. He who reproves a wicked man invites abuse.
Proverbs 13:1b
a mocker refuses to listen to correction.
Thus the end of line has been reached for me responding to any of your posts in any thread, you have finally exhausted the benefit of the doubt I have been giving you up until now.
Now where did that ignore feature go?
I guess ATS took it away.
Too bad.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
We have clashed minds in other forums, which is the appropriate area for those debates.
But you and others choose to ignore the clear ATS rules re-posted by another.
In this forum, as per the ATS rules I do not have to put up with that rhetoric.
Here are the ATS rules for this forum as stated, you won't miss it this time.
"ALL MEMBERS READ - Moving Past Religion 101 and Staying on Topic"
(snipped pointless multicolored T&C quote - madnessinmysoul)
Now as for your point about the context of the scripture, yes the context is a discussion with the pharisees on divorce, very true, but the Pharisees never believed in evolution did they? It wasn't even an issue. So why did Jesus even make that statement? The point is really for the modern day believer, and a confirmation of Jesus own personal knowledge of an event he was around to witness and participate in. Very simple really, actually the context in this scripture helps to make my point, thanks for bringing that out for everybody.edit on 30-12-2010 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Yeah and accordingly Jesus was in effect acknowledging the first marriage of the first two created people on this earth. You keep unwittingly reinforcing my points. I love it, keep it up, this is awesome.
You know Madness you really don't understand the bible at all, your posts time after time show this. You claim to have understanding of the bible, but really you don't, and why should you, it's a fairy tale to you. All your posts show me is you have basic knowledge of scripture. Here is why you can't understand the bible, scripture actually tells us both why.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
A hardcore atheist will NEVER EVER get the spirit, thus the path to truth and reality is blocked, it is a hopeless exercise of futility on their behalf, to even try.
John 17:3
And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.
However any atheist, can change(repent), and then receive the spirit, God won't hold it against you.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
I'm quite sure those parentheses weren't in the version of the Bible you're quoting.
Yes they were, I use multiple online bibles to make my points, in this instance it is the Amplified Bible
Link
www.biblegateway.com...
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Anyways trying to discuss specific bible points with you is hopeless with your mindset, firstly you don't believe it, secondly every point that is made is twisted to a invalid interpretation because you don't believe it anyways.
Twisted to a position that favors an atheistic perspective.
It is the perfect way to undermine the word of God and a persons faith in it.
I will give you this, you are quite the expert at doing it.
For this reason I will continue to ignore parts of your posts, it's a waste of keystrokes for me at this point - especially within this forum as has been repeated.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
At least demonstrate some knowledge of the Bible before you reference it!
Nice try, wrong again on ALL counts.
You just know how to expertly formulate bogus arguments from the bible, which you don't even believe are true anyways, you are the epitome of a "Devils Advocate".
That is why I could respond to your claims as you quoted, but I won't.
It's a waste of my time, and yours too actually.
Thread Note - Atheistic based trolling comments will be ignored. This thread is for Christians to comment, one way or another.
I am a former Christian,..
Going to church doesn't make you a believer any more than going into your garage makes you a car.
You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
I've been down this non-contradiction more times than I can count, but read this:
Creation, Genesis 1 and 2
For the answer and details to the hemoglobin issue watch Session 4
I will respond after you watch/comment though.
(Okay, clip 3 also, sorry.)
edit on 3-1-2011 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
but you were never born again by the Holy Spirit.
Care to just summarize on the points I made?
So instead of just providing me with a source for the calculations....you provide me with a creationist video that's 10 minutes long.
Instead of addressing that a deck of cards being any order is impossible, at least according to your definition of impossible, you link a video.
And then he pull a number from...well, let's say that it must be a deep, dark place...and claims something about 3 billion elements.
Wait, I recognize this guy now! He's the guy who came up with the incredibly ridiculous peanut butter video, it's the second worst creationist food argument I've ever seen!
Ooo, something I can sink my teeth into, 'darkness that is tangible, black holes and whathaveyou'...um...black holes aren't a tangible darkness, they're incredibly dense matter. The darkness of a black hole comes from light not reflecting off of it, not some sort of inherent 'anti-light' property. Darkness is not even an opposite to light, it is merely an absence of it. Light, on the other hand, is (relatively) tangible, being that it's a wave/particle thingy (incredibly scientific term). You can reflect it, focus it, distort it, etc...but you can't do anything like that to 'darkness' because it is an absence of something.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Here is what I cannot understand...
why is it when Creationists take arguments from Evolutionists to their absurd conclusions do you Evolutionists think the Creationists are absurd instead of pondering, "Hey, maybe the claims of Evolution are absurd"?