UK Gun Prohibition. What would be in your weapons cache?, page 4

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reply posted on 22-2-2011 @ 04:53 AM by illuminnaughty

reply to post by locololo

There is a law called the horse law. Which is a perpetual law. Which entitles any one who owns a horse or cares for a horse. To carry a knife. So that one can cut it free, in case it gets stuck in trees/bushs ect. So if you have any conection to horses you can use this law in your defense. It does work as I have seen people get off with carrying a knife by using this defense.
Same with a bow. Its a perpetual law and its every english mans duty to own a bow. I have a lovely compound bow and some really nice home made arrows. You can use your bow in parks or common land. Provided that you display a warning sign alerting other people to the fact that archery is being practiced. On private land there is no law, as long as you have the owners permission.
The second archery law was enacted in1363 by Richard the 3rd the black prince.This law is still on the statute books. Its an unforced law.
Section 139 criminel justice act 1988. States, neither a bow nor arrow are classified as offensive weapons under british law. UNLESS the individual ADAPTS the bow or arrow SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of causing harm or injury to another person.

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reply posted on 22-2-2011 @ 04:59 AM by ThePeopleParty

Originally posted by Silverado292
Can you still own Bows and arrows or crossbows? If you can that and Camouflage should get you some nice toys should the poo smack into the fan.

I think its still the law that men under a certain age are supposed to practice long bow shooting on a sunday or something liek that.

My weapon would be a sword.

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reply posted on 22-2-2011 @ 05:05 AM by TheLoneArcher

Humm, well, if it is a weapons cache, it is illegal. Therefore, I would stock up with whatever I could lay my hands on through the black market. However, if I had to stay withing the law, I would stock it with long bows, crossbows´, powerful sling shots (with plenty of steel shot), a blow pipe (with darts and poison), a whole array of knives, wire saws and snare wire. I addition, I would stock up on enough raw materials to make some pretty big bangs.

reply posted on 22-2-2011 @ 05:10 AM by WatchRider

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by tilpah
if you think our laws are fine as they are Parapi, then they already brainwashed you and I suggest you follow the advice above and google re-arming Britain.

Thanks, but just because I hold a contrary view as you does not mean I am brainwashed. In fact, the reverse may be true if you rely on Google-search-provided websites to form your worldview. "Re-arming Britain"! Was the British population ever armed? No, it was not.

Yes it was! Prior to the gun control acts in 1953 onwards many people owned guns, shotguns (off-ticked). Indeed if you google the Totenham Outrage (1909) you'll see the population of London routinely carried firearms. All our ancestors were allowed weapons for defence. It wasn't until 1920 (after WW1 funnily enough) that the gun laws became ever draconian.

The law on gun ownership may be draconian for people who want to own a gun for the sake of it, but for the majority who think guns should be tightly controlled the current legislation is just fine. If the rule of law collapsed in the UK (I assume that’s what you mean by WROL) then I would be quite happy not to have half the population taking pot-shots at me when I go to the shop.

Why can't someone own a weapon to defend themselves with? Are you going to be there to save the day if someone's in danger? If your wife, mother or daughter could of prevented a possible rape, robbery or otherwise crime what would you say to the fact that, had they been armed they could very well of prevented it...

On knives, I think you are letting you imagination take you over. If you carry a knife in the UK without a good reason – i.e. you are carrying for some macho fantasy reason or because you are doing things where a knife may be handy (i.e. dealing drugs, mugging), then I think the authorities should deal with you. The law outlaws certain types of knife (e.g. flick knives) because of their association with crime, but if you are stopped by the police and are found to have a knife in your possession and have a reasonable explanation, then the police cannot touch you. You should read upon the legislation and the rationale behind it. I would not for a minute suggest you did a Google search, but perhaps you go straight to source...

Macho fantasy? What are you smoking?
There's been court cases in the UK where people have used the Common Law Bill of Rights (1689) to successfully fight for their right to bear arms and used it to show 'reasonable' grounds for carrying batons and knives.
EVERYONE has the inalienable right to have a means to defend themselves and the police force CANNOT do it in the time a crime takes to unfold.
People can and will do this so deal with it and move on.

Check that link out.

en.wikipedia.org...

See the above in bold text.

Also worth a look is this statement by William Blackstone in 1765:

In 1765, William Blackstone wrote the Commentaries on the Laws of England describing the right to have arms in England during the 18th century as a natural right of the subject that was "also declared" in the English Bill of Rights.[19][20] The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute I W. & M. st.2. c.2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.[21]

en.wikipedia.org...

This is evidence you must use if you are fighting a weapons charge in a court of law. It can and has been used for successful defence in a court of law

reply posted on 30-7-2011 @ 11:48 PM by Torquil

I am originally from the UK but now live in Canada
I bitch about the gun laws here but knowing the UK laws I feel lucky

I own pistols from 22 to 44 magnum
I own shotguns
some with barrels as short as 14 inches (legal)
I own several semi auto varients of assault rifles
sniper rifles
and several hunting rifles

and
I do carry a spring assisted knife with nothin the cops can do about it

I do however miss the UK for some things

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reply posted on 1-8-2011 @ 05:02 PM by AsDeadAsDillinger

reply to post by ThePeopleParty

Actually, it's still just possible to own firearms,(and not just shotguns) in the UK.
But the number of hoops they want you to jump through is getting silly now,Individual citizens can still own pistols, shotguns and huntng rifles, but the number of people qualifying is slowly being eroded.

The technique used to justify these draconian gun laws was simple:
Place the mother of a murdered schoolchild on the TV saying 'Banning guns will save childrens lives' or some similar simplistic phrase, and then say that anyone who wanted a gun was 'already suspect', and make them feel guilty by saying 'Is your hobby more important than the life of my child?'

Ultimately, however even the figures they provided showed that their argument was a load of rubbish, but by the time anyone had actually read them, they had slipped the law through while the tears and ink were still wet.

The year before the firearms ban was implemented in the UK the percentage of legal/illegal firearms used in crime looked something like this:
Percentage of guns used in crime that were NEVER owned legally in the UK - 96%
Percentage of guns used in crime that had at 'one time been legally owned' in the UK - 4%

('at one time been owned legally' - this includes guns owned legally BUT used in crime AND those stolen from their legal owners and THEN used in a crime (it does not even specify a VIOLENT crime, they could have been 'stopped for speeding' while they were carrying an illegal weapon it would appear on the stats right next to a school shooting)

So considering that the 4% also will include 'technical' infractions such as 'improper transportation' and 'improper storage' and is not all violent crime, the law could at best prevent less than 4% of crime involving firearms.And it showed that the new laws could NOT PREVENT 96% of firearms crimes.!

Of course, when the Police wanted more funds to equip SO19 and their various Tactical teams (SWAT equiv.) they shamelessly included things such as airguns/BB guns/replica guns/stun guns/toy guns/potato guns/CS gas use in the 'Fiream Crime' stats in order to push up the figures to show 'there was a problem' and get the budget increase they were after. Then they placed a £250,000.00 order with Heckler and Koch for several trucks worth of full auto H&K G36C's.
They justified this in a newspaper srticle (that I may scan and post for your amusement.- My estimation is that 40-50% of the statements in it are demonstrably false) The article is full of half truths and outright lies, with which they seek to justify the massive increase in 'weapons procurement' at a time when violent crime was actually GOING DOWN !

On the subject of which weapons I would include 'in my cache'
, I'd say I'm sticking with my old Barnett 'Commando' crossbow, I've had it for about 15 years, and apart from one dramatic failure (the bow shattered- my fault) it hasn't let me down yet, and for the poundage thrown, it's easy to cock.Also when tested against soft body armor wrapped around a sandbag the results were impressive (i.e. TOTAL failure of the kevlar)
It;s quite legal to own 'pointy knives', provided you don't walk around the city with one in your hand, any reasonable reason for owning one such as 'work' or 'campcraft' would usually be sufficient to explain to al but the most bloody minded cop (unless they find your knife sticking out of someone)
and, as long as you don;t claim that a Fairbairn Sykes commando knife is used for 'stripping insulation off electrical wires at work' or for 'peeling fruit', any 'sensible' blade would be OK. (You could still legally own a F&S commando knife at your home or in a collection, though). I carry a Leatherman all day at work and I've never had any problems.

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