Quake Watch 2011

reply to post by cosmo0207

Could there be any kind of connection? Fore-shock?

I have to say that in view of the distance between these quakes, and the magnitudes, I don't think you could consider them to be connected at all.

As far as being fore-shocks then collectively no they could not be. The Loyalty Island and Japan are after-shocks for certain. Macedonia had a 3.4 about a week ago but I don't think you could call that a fore-shock to this one. It would depend on there being much more data to hand and again the magnitudes and locations of each, and the apparent lack of other quakes, make this unlikely.

Date/Time UTC,Latitude,Longitude,Magnitude,Depth(Km),Location
2011-05-14 08:45:53, 41.667, 20.880, 4.6, 13.8, Macedonia
2011-05-08 09:47:11, 42.009, 21.252, 3.4, 5.0, Macedonia

reply to post by PuterMan


Thank you for your well informed response. I guess I jumped the gun when I received 3 email alerts within a short amount of time

reply to post by PuterMan


I am replying to myself again! (Going to have to talk to someone about that)

The EMSC are still showing 2 quakes in the listing at the time of this posting.

2011-05-13 23:35:53.811hr 29min ago 37.41 N 141.32 E 44 Mw 6.2
2011-05-13 23:35:53.011hr 29min ago 37.41 N 141.32 E 44 Mw 6.2

The only thing I can see different is the publication times which are 1 minute apart

reply to post by Robin Marks


First - the tectonic plate upon which Spain and Italy sit.

USGS Map Of Tectonic Plates

So now let me see. The Eurasian plate covers Spain, Italy, Scandinavia, Russia and that Chinese area and......

Not such a good map that. Lets' take a look in Google Earth.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9ca8a2d9117d.png[/atsimg]

Hold on, what have we here. Let's take a closer look.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c3f949460c29.png[/atsimg]

It seems Etna is on the African plate.

Um, another scientific theory in tatters. You would think that Domenico Patane, director of the Sicily office of Italy's National Geophysics Institute might know a little about the area no?

Like little boys scientists should be obscene but not absurd seen but not heard.

Next the phase data

Station CLTB in th MN network sits on Sicily. Here is the arrival time of the Spanish quake from that phase list

SENINePn 16:50:05.58 2.2 10.9 35 SENI
VLC ePn 16:50:06.40 -0.1 11.2 51 VLC
CLTB ePn 16:50:15.42 0.1 11.8 86 CLTB
TUE ePn 16:50:20.83 3.0 12.0 40 TUE
AQU ePn 16:50:24.85 0.8 12.5 63 AQU
BFO ePn 16:50:27.26 -2.8 12.9 31 g:1.5-2 1.0 3.3X BFO

It was not sufficient to register on the instrument for the phase data, in other words it was seen but not heard unlike the Italian scientist.

Now CEL, also in the MN network and located in the toe of Italy......................It seems it did not register at al.

OK. EMSC phase data next

Exactly the same. So who operates the CLTB station where it at least registered.

Instituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia Roma, Italy. Oops, same place Domenico Patane comes from!

I had about 1 ton of matured bovine excrement delivered the other day. I think I should add this report by Domenico Patane to it.

Originally posted by ATSecretAgent
I'm hoping someone on here will know the answer to this.

In the film 2012, (yes , i have seen it.).. is there any scientific credence to the whole idea of the sun super heating the interior of the earth? So that the crust becomes less stable?

BTW, I don't subscribe to the 2012 nonsense..... just asking out of curiosity. And if it is possible, how would you measure something like this?

I think as recent as a year ago, we could call '2012', nonsense....

But not so much anymore.........

reply to post by PuterMan


Hay PuterMan, I have just been checking out the helicorders over on the BGS and came across this one for LMK Market Rasen - short period

What could all this activity mean? Could it be weather related/quake do you think or man made? I've checked out the long and very long period and nothing really comes up. So its got to be local.

What are your thoughts/opinions.

reply to post by boo1981


There is a thread about the Market Rasen seismo that may interest you. Rather than type it all out again you will find my thoughts there if that is OK with you.

reply to post by PuterMan


Thank you for the link, i was unaware of it.

reply to post by PuterMan




but, but, but
If you look at EMSC Moment Tensor Solutions www.emsc-csem.org...
they have 3 different magnitudes again, and USGS is the lowest

Date & TimeUTC, Latitude, Longitude, Region, Depth, Magnitude, Strike,Dip, Rake,Agency
2011-05-13 23:35:57.7 37.30 141.70 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 45 6.10 203 24 92 HARVARD
2011-05-13 23:35:56.8 37.50 141.30 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 39 6.00 206 23 98 GFZ
2011-05-13 23:35:53.0 37.40 141.40 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 34 5.90 25 67 100 USGS

And the two listings are still there

and on the Data Contributions page as well

2011-05-13 23:36:05.3 39.80 N 139.14 E 33 mb 5.5 A NEAR WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN LDG
2011-05-13 23:36:01.9 37.77 N 141.34 E 100 mb 6.0 A NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN GSRC
2011-05-13 23:36:00.2 36.64 N 140.75 E 100 mb 5.7 A NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN ZAMG
2011-05-13 23:35:58.0 37.00 N 139.00 E 1 mb 5.8 A EASTERN HONSHU, JAPAN LED
2011-05-13 23:35:57.7 38.16 N 139.95 E 25 mb 4.8 A NEAR WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN NEWS
2011-05-13 23:35:57.5 37.44 N 141.31 E 15 mb 6.4 A NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN MAD
2011-05-13 23:35:56.5 38.06 N 141.23 E 26 mb 5.9 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN BUC
2011-05-13 23:35:54.0 37.26 N 141.71 E 76 mb 6.2 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN MAD
2011-05-13 23:35:53.8 37.41 N 141.32 E 44 Mw 6.2 M+ NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN INFO
2011-05-13 23:35:53.8 37.41 N 141.32 E 44 Mw 6.2 M+ NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN INFO
2011-05-13 23:35:53.3 37.38 N 141.41 E 37 M 6.2 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN NEIR
2011-05-13 23:35:53.3 37.34 N 141.39 E 42 M 6.2 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN GFZ
2011-05-13 23:35:53.3 37.20 N 141.80 E 39 Mw 6.6 A NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN BGSG
2011-05-13 23:35:52.9 37.46 N 141.56 E 41 ML 6.0 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN RSSC
2011-05-13 23:35:51.4 36.64 N 141.23 E 30 A NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN GFU
2011-05-13 23:35:51.3 37.51 N 141.53 E 33 mb 6.0 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN GSSA
2011-05-13 23:35:51.3 37.51 N 141.53 E 33 mb 6.0 M NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN GSRC
2011-05-13 23:35:41.6 35.91 N 143.28 E 1 mb 5.7 A OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN MSO
2011-05-13 23:35:37.8 35.63 N 142.59 E 25 mb 4.7 A OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN NEWS

I compared the EMSC Phase Data between the two listings, they are exactly the same.

Its too bad Geofon stopped providing their phase data on their own site, because a big % of the data EMSC use is from them.




Blame the British

reply to post by PuterMan


I'm looking forward to it

Actually I might drop the Global Composite 7 days map for now, I only got 9 views in the last 7 days, and it probably took me 9 hours of my time to do them over the week.
Half the fun was getting it set up.
Better for me to get back to revising/updating the main 7+Project for now, get stuck into the 1980's and back before 1910

reply to post by muzzy


uhhhmm if your taking requests and want to maybe see what you could dig up on this one

Santorini Volcano Erupts: 1500 BC

It is kinda outside of 1990's but you didn't say a.d or b.c

Earthquake Details
This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.

Magnitude
5.9

Date-Time
Saturday, May 14, 2011 at 21:07:22 UTC
Sunday, May 15, 2011 at 01:37:22 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location
36.441°N, 70.742°E

Depth
207.4 km (128.9 miles)

Region
HINDU KUSH REGION, AFGHANISTAN

Distances
76 km (47 miles) S of Faizabad, Afghanistan
120 km (74 miles) WNW of Chitral, Pakistan
137 km (85 miles) SSW of Khorugh, Tajikistan
256 km (159 miles) NNE of KABUL, Afghanistan

Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 14.5 km (9.0 miles); depth +/- 3.5 km (2.2 miles)

Parameters
NST=266, Nph=285, Dmin=739.2 km, Rmss=0.82 sec, Gp= 40°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=7

Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

Event ID
usc0003fa9

earthquake.usgs.gov...

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by muzzy

 

uhhhmm if your taking requests and want to maybe see what you could dig up on this one

Santorini Volcano Erupts: 1500 BC

It is kinda outside of 1990's but you didn't say a.d or b.c

1500BC you say?

Well I've only downloaded and processed back to 1900 so far, but had a quick look on Utsu's IISEE catalogue and the first entry for Santorini is 1380BC

Source Year Latitude Longitude Location
EG -1570 35.5 25.5 Greece:Knossos(Crete) fire
MG -1566 31.5 35.3 Jordan:Ariha(Jericho)(I=9-10)
G -1500 35 26 Greece:Crete(I=10)
M -1450 - - Italy:Lacus Cimini (around -1450)
MT -1410 - - Greece:N. Crete,Grecian Archipelago ±100 years
G -1400 35.5 25.5 Greece:Crete(I=10)
T -1380 36.4 24.5 Greece:Thira(Santorin)

Its going to be a tough job, Utsu only got as far back as 1365BC putting Magnitudes to the quakes, but he couldn't find the spot exactly
Source Year Latitude Longitude Magnitude Location
M -1365 - - 7.8 severe damage Syria coast:Ugarit near Minet-el-Beida

The next Mag Tagged one with co-ordinates was;
Source Year Latitude Longitude Magnitude Location
C -780 -34.5 107.8 7 China:Shanxi(I>=9) (M>=7/M6-7)

a lot is going to depend on the Intensity ( I=) analysis, as that is all there is to go on.
A lot of the data is based on Volcanic eruption and Tsunami data

I still need to get my head around Asia Minor and Persia, let alone the Assyrian Empire

Santorini was a gigantic event. It was induced by water. The explosion ejected the entire magma chamber. The magma chamber then turned into a gas cloud. This gas cloud then condensed over the Dead Sea and became acid rain. Ask Abraham.

Oh Puterman, no one is sure what's going on under Etna. It's a mystery.
I think Sicily is a block. Like Puetro Rico.

www.sciencedaily.com...

I just liked the Italian guy's version because I think Etna was reacting to the Spanish quakes.

reply to post by Robin Marks

because I think Etna was reacting to the Spanish quakes

So Etna was not doing anything before the Spanish quake? I showed you it was not possible for that quake to have affected Etna, and Etna was under way well before the Spanish quakes. The fact that it had a little spurt just after that Spanish quake is pure co-incidence.

Don't get sucked in by Italian 'scientists' who should know better.

Hi Puterman,

Going back to what you said about Etna being on the African plate , I've been thinking about this and technically Southern Spain has some coastlines on the Straits of Gibraltar i.e North Africa (almost) would they be considered as on the African or Eurasian plate ?

That said Lorca is a fair bit up and inland and not the tip of Southern Spain unless there's a fault running under and due north of the Straits ?

Or..... it made me think of that article recently about a possible new subduction zone whereby Europe was sliding under Africa, now that would make more sense to me , a slight movement south which manifested itself in the Lorca reaction.

Things that make me go hmmmmm

reply to post by slidingdoor


Interestingly I have just come across a map on Wikipedia which shows Sicily on the Eurasian plate. Map

That said it is Wikipedia and I think I am inclined to believe the USGS KMZ file on Google Earth more.

If you look at my post on this above you can see that according to the USGS at least the plate boundary does a dog leg into Morocco

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5d9f6b53feba.jpg[/atsimg]

I would say that this places Spain firmly on the Eurasian plate.

Or..... it made me think of that article recently about a possible new subduction zone whereby Europe was sliding under Africa

The indications are from this article that the plates are paused and according to geologists about to change so that where Africa was sliding under Europe, that is reversing.

The northern edge of the African tectonic plate has descended under Europe for millions of years but recently this process halted, it has been reported.

This leaves me to ponder a question. Taking the edge of that tectonic plate I don't see much evidence of a subduction zone all the way along it from The Azores - where there would seem to be spreading - to Greece. The zone has no deep trenches, the only possible exception being around Sicily, however if Africa has been sliding under Europe then that trench is the wrong way round. This may be explained by this:

The Utrecht group's analysis of the Mediterranean Sea's complex geological structure and history reveals that the continents' slow convergence of a few centimetres each year was partially obstructed by the collision of two plates further east, in Turkey.

And further subduction was prevented by the lightness of the African continent. Parts of the African plate that did subduct broke away and are now descending towards the Earth's mantle.

This may explain the depressions in the Med. When all is said and done however this is pure guesswork and supposition since the time frame of these events is way beyond our ken and we cannot get under the ground to 'see' what is happening. In addition to this if the 'subduction' has stopped and is about to reverse, why is the movement still showing?

IF, and it is a very big

IF

this is about to happen it is not going to be as 'imminent' as they make it sound. It won't be in my lifetime or yours or in the lifetimes of many many generations of our descendants.

I have a problem with the tectonics theory, and this area is one of the ones that does not fit the required model - and they know it hence, rather like the climate change crew, they make sure that whatever is happening fits the theory in some way.

Since I don't have a super-computer into which to feed well massaged data to create a 'model' that supports my lies theories I cannot be so positive about this. For that I need the said super-computer and a white coat.

But interestingly in the article I find a statement that may be very much closer to the truth.

Small risk... but there is concern that European countries are not investing enough money into building a tsunami warning system for the region

You can see it now:

Chairman: OK we have a problem here as the funding is drying up. We need to persuade these Governments to install more equipment to keep us in work. How can we persuade them that there is a tsunami risk?

Attendee 1: Um, tell them that part of the Canaries is about to fall into the sea?

Chairman: Yes, not bad, but does not work too well for the Med. Worries the hell out of the Americans however.

Attendee 2: How about pumping the dangers of Marsili a bit. That should get them going. Say that it could even destabilise Campi Flegri. Get it out on the blogs so people will believe it.

Chairman: *stroking his chin* I quite like that one. Sounds very real and who would know if the sides of the volcano are unstable or not?

Attendee 3: Got it!

Chairman: Got what?

Attendee 3: We need mega-potential for disaster. Since we can't fit this pesky zone along the Med into our models properly why don't we say the subduction zone is going into reverse?

Attendee 1: Into reverse? Would anyone believe that?

Attendee 3: Yes, instead of Africa 'sliding under Europe' we can say it is changing and Europe is going to start 'sliding under Africa'. That should get the Europeans really worked up. *Rubs hands together* Much funding here we come!!! Unlimited potential for disaster as no one can prove it, but they will believe because we are 'scientists' and 'experts'. You think climate change is a good funding scam, try this one!

Chairman: Love it!

MAP 6.0 2011/05/15 13:08:12 0.461 -25.601 10.0 CENTRAL MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE

This just in on usgs.

Just a thought though, as i just showed my partner the area where this happened....Central mid-Atlantic ridge. And she said 'well thats no where near us' (UK). BUT, if that was a strong one like the Japan one, then wouldn't a huge tsunami come our way from that?

reply to post by iWokeUp


The mid-Altlantic is spreading. So you don't have subduction like in Japan.
However, a large quake in the mid-Atlantic could cause a underwater landslide, which could cause a tsunami.

Ok Puterman, that's it!

I want your theory. Several times you've mentioned your skeptism of plate tectonics. I've pondered a few alternatives, so I'm opened to any idea. I don't think you subscribe to the growing earth scenario. I don't know what the hell you think is making the earth do all the things it does. I'm not game for a debate. I've just been curious for far too long now and need to satisfy my need for answers.

I still think Spain and Etna are related. I think the whole damn thing is connected. I love your criticism of scientists. Because I think experiments are flawed. The whole observer problem. I rejected closed systems. I accept fluid dynamics. It's all just the flux in the states of matter. You can't stop the clock and isolate anything. I can't disect the earth's movements and say that the same dynamic that is causing Etna to be active is not the same dynamic that caused a build up of stress in Spain.

My main reason for thinking plate tectonics is valid is that, to me, the earth's crust is acting like an ice flow. The only difference- temperature. Temperature affects the rate of change. Rate of change is time. It's all relative.

Hell, what do I know. In my heart I want there to be a hidden world at the center of the earth.

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