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Have These Chemtrail Formations Been Appearing In Your City Lately?

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:23 AM
Awww our hearts bleed for you. And you others accuse pilots, meterologists, and much of the aviation sector of being involve in some super sekrit vast conspiracy to spray (insert substance, virus or chemical of choice) with a yet undetermined airplanes, from some undetermined base, by undetermined people, and not only do you not have any evidence for it, when pressed, either you disappear or post completely wrong information.

And then, inspite of having no evidence, and posting utterly wrong statements, you then claim everyone else are paid government disinfo agents, and now its apparently "harassment" to ask for evidence and proof too.

Fun times we live in..

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:31 AM
reply to post by firepilot

"Much of the aviation sector."
What the hell are you talking about. Use your brain for once. Who's accusing MUCH of the aviation sector?? That's ridiculous, all you need are planes and pilots which are not hard to come by, that doesn't account for the whole aviation sector dummy..... maybe a point of a percent.
And actually, weathermen and pilots have come forward and said this is NOT normal and there is something up. So ya, there are plenty of these professionals who have the balls to say something, maybe not out right accuse people, but they atleast try to make it known.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:46 AM
reply to post by dplum517

Some of us, here, are attempting to impart knowledge.

Now, sit back and reflect....and when you contemplate the "vitriol" (yes, I read your plea, OP...) of those who are so certain of the existence of "chemtrails"....they imagine a vast operation of some, with THAT concept in mind, then:

Who's accusing MUCH of the aviation sector??

See? According to the "chemtrail" believers, it IS vast in, therefore, it would have to be very, very "MUCH" of the "aviation sector".

More real-world education is in order as well, here:

.... all you need are planes and pilots which are not hard to come by.....

?? Really?? "not hard to come by"? Airplanes that can fly AT THE ALTITUDES alleged by the "chemtrail" believers?

In the United States....DID YOU KNOW that you MAY NOT fly above an altitude of 18,000 feet unless you are in direct and constant contact with Air Traffic Control???


And actually, weathermen and pilots have come forward and said this is NOT normal....

A claim...absent a source.

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:54 AM
reply to post by weedwhacker

Another dummy lacking common sense at the table.

NOPE sorry weedwacker but you CANNOT take something ONE person or even more than one person and say thats what ALL people think who know Chemtrails exist.
Get a clue also need to get off your high horse of thinking you know every god damn thing.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:37 PM
reply to post by dplum517

"ONE" person??? Doesn't that effectively describe you??

Well, I see you define your "location" as Salt Lake City? (I will abbreviate it as SLC, since it is easier and is the IATA airport code. for the ICAO code, which we will use later, it is KSLC. The "K" denotes it as a U.S. mainland airport. The ICAO code is unique for every major -- and some non-major -- airports world wide).

Walk with me....I'll do the talking......

Taking you by the hand I will guide. (You have to do some legwork, though....):

Go to

Play around with the interactive map....expand it, mouse-over the airplanes, learn it. (BLUE airplane icons, you can ignore --- unless you have a friend or loved one on them --- BLUE means they are "local", arriving/departing from the airport that is the focus of the view. You want to watch the GREEN airplane icons, to see them pass over, and compare, when you go outside and LOOK in the sky, as they may, or may not, make contrails as they fly overhead).

Next, for orientation, you will also have to do more learning (and legwork) at this site:

It provides a FREE source for aviation Aeronautical Charts online. Again, you must navigate the site.

I don't know WHAT will load when you first visit the site....depends on your IP, I suppose. Doesn't matter, will load with SOME local VFR Chart. (It often defaults to Los Angeles, CA for some reason).

Upper left corner, is a box.....type in KLSC, and click "Go". It THEN takes you to the SLC "Terminal Area Chart".....this is what pilots refer to, when flying low altitude and VFR, in YOUR area.

(IF you take some flying lessons, this will make even more sense).....IF you can afford it....and have some spare time......

ONCE that screen loads up, look for a button labeled "Enroute H-3". When you click on that, will display the HIGH altitude aeronautical navigational charts.....and NOW you can see, in a better way, the sorts of routes that commercial jets fly, as they PASS OVERHEAD your area.

ALL of those black lines drawn on the Chart, that are labelled with a "J" and a -number? THOSE are "Jet Airways"....."jet routes"....defined "highways" in the sky. BUT.....get this....we DO NOT HAVE TO ALWAYS stay on those routes!!!!! Air Traffic Control (ATC) may offer, either by request of for their own purposes, DIFFERENT directions of travel....ALL depending on the flight plan for each airplane. (YOU can look THAT up back on the "FlightAware" website....when you look up specific flight numbers. I CAN HELP YOU DECIPHER what they mean......).

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by weedwhacker

Cmon man. I know how to decipher and have looked it up already.

A website is not the end all say all.
The FEDERAL Aviation Administration is a government entity that does NOT have to reveal all flights to the public. Sure we can see commercial flights and what not but they most certainly do NOT have to reveal all military flights and they probably are NOT allowed to reveal them.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:34 PM
reply to post by dplum517

Ahhhhhhh....OK then.

SO, the assertion that is implied, by your post is......THAT THE CONTRAILS SEEN (AND CALLED "CHEMTRAILS" BY JUST ABOUT EVERY "chemtrail website" in existence) are....

.....WAIT for it!!....ALL from military jets....and, of course, would have to be BIG military jets (in order to "cover the skies" to such an extent).....AND THAT, because they are military jets, they are NOT on the FAA radar information and live records??? order for THAT "theory" to have any legs would have to account for ALL THE ACTIVITY OF NOT ONLY THE LARGE JETS....operated by the USAF (or any other Nation)....but ALSO the activities of ALL of the flight crew.

TO INCLUDE, of course, the defined and REQUIRED "CREW REST LIMITS" that are imposed....not only on civilian pilots, but ALSO on their military counterparts. ALSO.....the "airplanes"??? WHERE ARE THEY???

Where are they currently deployed??? This is all public least in the United States. (Naturally, in the so-called "war zones" of the areas of operations, such as in the Middle East....well, "deployment" specifics aren't public knowledge....obviously).

Sheesh!!!! Only takes a little bit of critical thinking (AND experience AND knowledge) to COMPLETELY DESTROY the so-called "chemtrail" claims............

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:46 PM
reply to post by weedwhacker

NO it's not all public knowledge. Get a fu**ing clue man. You have to be one of the most dense people around.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:16 PM
reply to post by weedwhacker

Your shenanigans have gone on long enough.
Just because people don't know what the active ingredients in chemtrails use that as leverage to debunk our visual observations and....enough is enough.

People are laughing at you because you claim to know things that you couldn't possibly know. How can this be?
We're all observers. Yet you tend to have this up-close and personal relationship with everything!
And if that weren't creepy enough, if anyone doesn't adhere to your bull ---in your opinion they're either detached from reality, delusional, or an idiot.

Ironically it's YOU that is the most unrealistic posters on this forum.

Chemtrails exist.
They are real and growing exponentially in numbers and frequency.

And people who don't at minimum question this phenomena are the ones we should be careful of. Because they are as dangerous as the chemtrails themselves. There's a reason they don't want you to believe.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:30 PM
reply to post by Human_Alien

Yes, enough is enough!

You guys are doing yourself no favours here. You are bringing nothing to the table on this so called evidence of 'chemtrails'.

Still the ignorance is being pumped out on You Tube!

Filmed by Niko and presented by Tanker Enemy. They actually think that the aircraft contrails are at 6,000 feet! Basic perspective comes into play here, but obviously some people choose to ignore it!

Video presented as evidence of a chemtrail aircraft caught carrying a pod!

Take a look at the comments on these videos? People are sitting there like nodding dogs believing everything that is presented by these so called believers. They can't even identify the type of aircraft. This is basic aviation knowledge, but they are deluding people by presenting it. The aircraft is a Tupolev 154. Designed by the Soviets and in the class of the Boeing 727. The pod is a Tupolev design trait and a solution for housing the undercarriage.

This is presented as a chemtrailer caught in action! A reflection off the aircraft is suddenly a spraying device!


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:38 AM
Here is evidence presented of a chemtrail aircraft in Canada! The viewers are asked by the cameraman to view the bottom of the aircraft to see an object! Check what's on the bottom states, Rod?

What Rod Hilderman has filmed is a Canadian Air Force Airbus A310. It is known as a CC-150 Polaris in Canada. The aircraft is an in-flight refuelling tanker and transport aircraft.

Nothing is on the bottom other than a highly reflective paint scheme. The light is coming from the left and you can see the shadow of the left hand engine on the bottom of the fuselage. Note the colour scheme that the aircraft carries?

Here is another aircraft presented by Rod Hilderman.

Yet another very distinctive type and airliner operator. It is a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 of EVA Air from Taiwan.

Yet another EVA Air from Taiwan. Easily identifiable, but he hasn't a clue about type or operator. If he wanted to he could go and film them at Canadian airports or track them on Flight Aware.

Another one presented as involved in his evidence of 'Aerosol spraying' aircraft. One of the most distinctive airline colour schemes in the world, but still no clue as to what it is.

It is a Monarch Airlines Airbus A330. He can go along to his local airport in Canada and film them!

This is the type of 'evidence' presented time and time again from 'Chemtrailers'. You Tube is for many 'believers' that first port of call for seeking this evidence and they are presented with this type of closed video with no access to debate. Many of them find the videos through links from these guys websites. Yes no debate is possible as they block anyone that attempts to, either identify the type or the airline. Subsequently many people are getting a one sided view of what they are watching and the result is more and more people are sucked in. Take a look at his comments on the video? 'The shills have been hitting these videos hard. You should see my blocked list already.' They don't want debate on the subject, their minds are closed and thus we have others stumbling across them leading to further ignorance being spread.


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by tommyjo

"Rod Hilderman" will not let me comment on his videos, on YouTube.

To explain to him that he is seeing ACTUAL airplanes, and spoofing an entire online audience, via his junk YouTube posts.....AND that he should (perhaps) seek mental help counselling.....IF, indeed, he actually believes what he posts.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:22 PM
reply to post by weedwhacker

Last year I contacted several people who commented on Rod's and Tanker Enemy's Channels. It was amazing how many of them realised that they had been duped when I provided the info on the aircraft types. They were completely confused as to what Rod was presenting. Many had never considered that unique and creative airline colour schemes will appear distorted when being filmed at such extreme distance. Many of them never even knew that such highly colourful and distinct liveries were carried by airliners.

One from Rod this month. He thinks his videos prove that hologram planes were used on 9/11. 'Solve 911 Solve Chemtrails'. No doubt there will be T-shirts appearing shortly!


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:59 PM
And Tanker Enemy completely misleads on there with that KC-10 video that an an ATS member had actually filmed for a prank. T.E labeled the flap hinge fairings as spray nozzles, which anyone who actually looked at a photo of a KC-10 can see.

Its been pointed out, but T.E of course does not correct it.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:43 PM
reply to post by firepilot

I completely agree. It is all that he has. He was caught out by the hoax, so he has to run with it and twist it into reality. You can see the lengths of desperation that Tanker Enemy has to go to. Now even the B-17 contrails of WW2 are fake!

At 01:27 he provides the photographic proof! It really is mind numbing and you just have to look at the video comments. Are people really this gullible?

For anyone who subscribes to Tanker Enemy' Channel and his fake WW2 contrails. Watch the following Battle of the Bulge newsreel from 06:08.

See following link for contrails in WW2.


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:48 PM
200 Million Tons of Aluminum Aerosol Chemtrail Poisoning All Life! Scientific Proof!

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:05 PM
reply to post by Human_Alien

Chemtrails exist. They are real and growing exponentially in numbers and frequency.

Well please HA explain to this dumb ass or if anyone else can for that matter why Perth metro area Western Australia has no chemtrails at all.

That's not quite true we get one a week from a South African airways flight that fly's over on direct route to Sydney and that has only happened in the past years, before that there where none

There are a few members who are from WA on this site and can easy back me up on this.

Chemtrails are full of it, they are contrails.

As for the comments about weed whacker, fight the topic not the man, shows you all are very weak and your arguments are flawed


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:10 PM

Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by weedwhacker

Cmon man. I know how to decipher and have looked it up already.

A website is not the end all say all.
The FEDERAL Aviation Administration is a government entity that does NOT have to reveal all flights to the public. Sure we can see commercial flights and what not but they most certainly do NOT have to reveal all military flights and they probably are NOT allowed to reveal them.

Which is just an excuse to not actually try and identify them. That requires at least an effort that is not posting messages to fellow chemtrailers.

And how do you know they are military, when you do not even try to identify them or look. The vast majority of jet traffic is civilian, but because in your mind you think it is military, and because miiltary traffic is not on there, then you assume the planes will not be on flightaware so you do not even make the attempt.

How about next time you see a contrail, do us all a favor and at least make an attempt to see what it is.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:18 PM
reply to post by auswally

Perth? Let's see if I can find anything.
Found a slew of them just now on YouTube. How come you can't?

Seems they're probably spraying when you're showering...?...pooping?......rotating your tires? Sounds like a whole other conspiracy

So spare me your BS. Save it for the more impressionable ones! Perhaps you should spend less time on here and more time observing your skies!

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