ANON Has Shut Down My Business--Paypal Related

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:05 PM
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I see someone that is attempting to push an agenda to defame Anon more than Anon does itself. That much I really don't care about. What I do care about is when someone is spreading false rumors much like Sarah Palin saying that Anon DDoS'd her website and stole her credit cards yesterday. Lies upset me.

The truth is that a few Anon started attacking the music industry a few months ago and those same Anon turned their target toward enemies of Wikileaks. There really isn't much more beyond that.




posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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wow, what are you reading? care to share a link? i am interested in the content with which you seem to be struggling.
from my lame understanding of the botnet, many active computers participate without the operators knowledge (hidden script). computer owners/individuals often download the script unknowingly and then if active at the time of an attack, participate without notification, alerts, warnings or anything ... completely incognito to the amateur user/operator.
I can honestly say i didn't voluntarily participate in any online attacks, however, i cannot say for sure that my computer didn't. I don't know the internals and script well enough to spot it but since the system and hd were previously owned and used, i really don't know if the script may be lingering on my current machine and have no knowledge how to discover it, if it were. That is why anon is perceived to be so dangerous ... the more ppl connected to the net, the more powerful it is.
As previously admitted, i am not in the loop and could be waaaay off but that is my last understanding of the botnet and its abilities should the opportunity present itself (todays usage vs 20 yrs ago)
Someone in the know, please set me straight but i think that's the concept. Please, share your link. thankx



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by janon
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I see someone that is attempting to push an agenda to defame Anon more than Anon does itself. That much I really don't care about. What I do care about is when someone is spreading false rumors much like Sarah Palin saying that Anon DDoS'd her website and stole her credit cards yesterday. Lies upset me.

The truth is that a few Anon started attacking the music industry a few months ago and those same Anon turned their target toward enemies of Wikileaks. There really isn't much more beyond that.


I havent said anything about Palin and her drama.. basically anything to keep herself in the media is what she will do. Obviously.

Im speaking about this other thing and wanting to know what its all about.. I havent made anything up and Im asking a legit question.. several legit questions. If what you are saying is true.. then there is some other thing out there going on that is claiming to be anon.. other than the group that wrote the manifesto and went on TV for an interview.
If this is the case.. thats is curious.. and pretty dirty pool to do this in order to effect the whole net neutrality thing. If you know all about the original anon stuff that wasnt in particular to this current ddos thing.. I will be curious to see if you hear about what Im talking about elsewhere. On the first link I clicked on the hubby's laptop there are several threads on one board concerning this in particular with IRC screen shots and screens from Yahoo concerning it. There is a script passed around now and also one embedded in torrents thats an EXE file. As Ive said.. I was not there, I dont know.. take it with a grain of salt.. but its definitely a curious turn.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Advantage
 

wow, what are you reading? care to share a link? i am interested in the content with which you seem to be struggling.
from my lame understanding of the botnet, many active computers participate without the operators knowledge (hidden script). computer owners/individuals often download the script unknowingly and then if active at the time of an attack, participate without notification, alerts, warnings or anything ... completely incognito to the amateur user/operator.
I can honestly say i didn't voluntarily participate in any online attacks, however, i cannot say for sure that my computer didn't. I don't know the internals and script well enough to spot it but since the system and hd were previously owned and used, i really don't know if the script may be lingering on my current machine and have no knowledge how to discover it, if it were. That is why anon is perceived to be so dangerous ... the more ppl connected to the net, the more powerful it is.
As previously admitted, i am not in the loop and could be waaaay off but that is my last understanding of the botnet and its abilities should the opportunity present itself (todays usage vs 20 yrs ago)
Someone in the know, please set me straight but i think that's the concept. Please, share your link. thankx


I would if I could.. I cant. I got on his laptop with his log in on a private board. If I go to the site on mine it says that Im not allowed access. I cant even post there so I came here to ask what the deal was.. and said it was only rumor so far as I knew.. but I got bashed!
I would ask the husband but he is on call and at work with an issue at the moment. Lesson learned? DOnt ask questions here about much! LOL!



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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There are always band-wagoners if that is what you mean. There were a lot of people trying to get Anons to download fake version of LOIC. I'm sure that some of those Anons fell for it and are now apart of someone's botnet.

What is the link to these IRC screenshots? I'm interested to see it. Also, I'd be very skeptical of anything that I read off IRC. A lot of "BS" would be written.
edit on 9-12-2010 by janon because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:33 PM
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Alright OP what's going on? I've gone through most of the pages and see that other people who own businesses and use PayPal are having no problems what-so-ever in moving money and or processing transactions. Are you just full of it and trying to plaster Assange/ANON with negative views?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
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Unfortunately, in war there is casualties.

Of course, Anonymous is going to be made out to look like the bad guy, but what they are doing is for justice.


That's communist rhetoric. Just a little collateral damage in the great cause? What cause is it really you are supporting? A psyops program run by George Soros and pal.s? Assange is just a narcissistic creep raised by a New Age cult in Australia.
www.heraldsun.com.au...
gawker.com...

Notice Assange dies his hair blond as do all cult members.

You guys are trained up like little automatons. Anything that brings down the system you jump for joy. Will you still be jumping when the jackboot thugs come to take you away or when Chinese missiles rain down on your neighborhood?

I notice that Assange didn't release the dirt on the Kremlin and the Russian mafia that run things over there after Putin essentially threatened his life if he did. Now that he's been arrested Putin is singing Assange's praises and calling it a human rights abuse.

I say this man is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and is no hero or anyone to admire. Taking down targeted financial groups because they don't support Assange is immoral. These companies have a right to refuse service to anyone that they do not support. They are private businesses.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by janon
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There are always band-wagoners if that is what you mean. There were a lot of people trying to get Anons to download fake version of LOIC. I'm sure that some of those Anons fell for it and are now apart of someone's botnet.

What is the link to these IRC screenshots? I'm interested to see it. Also, I'd be very skeptical of anything that I read off IRC. A lot of "BS" would be written.
edit on 9-12-2010 by janon because: (no reason given)


I honestly wish I could give you the link, but its apparently a closed or private board. WHen D gets home I can ask him if I can give the link out.. maybe you can email them and they can let you in to see it??

Now the conspiracy theorist in me is rearing its head.. what if someone else if doing something nefarious and its being attributed to anon with this script and the exe file on the torrents? I guess it doesnt matter... it didnt work anyway!

As far as the IRC stuff.. it was an interest group about wikileaks.. I dont have IRC but if you do I guess it should be there . Its made up of adults and a bunch of kids. They were discussing the wiki things and all of htis freedom fighter talk.. and then the script Im talking about was brought up by a guy who gave an email addy I guess.. its blacked out on the screen shot. the one kid says he will email.. then they are talking abo9ut a script, bot farming and this EXE file. He is talking about his facebook being private but he has a bunch of friends. Thats about it. The guy with the email is saying stuff about Ppal stealing money and Assange being basically a guy who wants the US to answer for crimes and etc. and that the US govt is planning on drafting everyone over 17 to serve in the new wars in NK and Iran that wiki is supposed to be releasing info about. Blahblah.. then they all say they will email. There are several screens from Yahoo that are this man saying he was cntacted at work and was looking for anyone that knew his son and gives his screen name.. then he says that the cops came and he was suing whomever gave his son the illegal computer stuff. I am reading a LOT about other things that were in the works that are now ruined by the anon folks jumping the gun. More infiltrations and etc... kinda of cyber fight club style. Go figure..

again, as I said.. I was not there.. could be complete BS.. take it with a grain of salt.

The guys on the thread are talking about how low anon is for doing this and etc trying to pass themselves off as hackers and a bunch of raunchy talk about what needs to be done with anon for using kids to do their dirty work. SOme of the guys seem okay with wiki, but are pretty down on the anon stuff and this whole bs about making ppal pay for something they arent bound to.. as in serving a person they dont want to deal with.. meaning wiki.

No one has mentioned the stuff about Ppal only releasing the held funds.. that was gotten by me in a conversation I was having hours ago about ppal having sanctioned accounts and things in the past.. that this was noting new with anon and they wouldnt be compelled to do busuiness with wiki even with a ddos. The truth about that is that Ppal wasnt bulied into anything.. they had to release those funds anyway.. and they have upheld the sanction on the place that was getting donatuons to wiki.

I have no idea if Visa or MC are keeping their sanction for this.. I imagine they are. They were not holding funds as paypal was and is known to do. I really have no dealings with those 2 places and all I have ever heard abotu them is that the attacks made no difference to them and there was no delay or stoppage in service.

All in all .. I still am of the opinion that this anon thing did nothing.. certainly not what they expected to happen. Ppal was not made to service the group that was raising funds for wiki.. so I dont see why this was even an issue.. other than to use it to erode our liberties on the internet.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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My dads business took a hit as well. And to be honest, I've worked for them, and paypal goes down all the time for service updates and other general issues that are way beyond me. I imagine that, if these sites were only down for a few hours or a day, any losses like these, though negligible, would certainly be included in any business model that bases itself around Ecommerce.

Time to open yourself up to multiple payment options



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Have you learned about the organization that was honoring Assange when he was accused of rape? Theyre pretty much in line with the Kremlin.. if not much worse.
He has surrounded himself with very questionable people who are throwing parties in his honor that no real patriot here would associate themselves with.

I understand that for many the idea is get the information out any way they can and through anyone they can.. that the information is important and not the messenger. The problem is that the information isnt getting out for them.. and he is interjecting his own agenda in the dissemination of the cables. SOmething is NOT right here.. even those who are all for the outting of stolen cables have to see this... or will eventually.

As for his rape deal.. thats about as bogus as it gets. If they want to get the guy, try to get him on espionage or something similar.. they WERE stolen classified cables between many countries.. but a trumped up BS rape charge?? Im insulted as a woman over this farce #1 and #2 Im outraged that "they" think an average person would buy into that nonsense in the first place. Im no fan of the guy or how he operates.. but Im also not overly fond of smoke being blown up my skirt.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Hey Gang,

Just wanted to point out that this ANON group which is apparently "helping" by doing DDOS attacks on Paypal are hurting businesses all accross the world.

Mine for example.

Our payment transaction systems are all done through Paypal and as of about 3 hours ago I am unable to collect payments from my customer's in any sort of way.

Way to go ANON. I'm officially NOT supporting you anymore.

~Keeper
edit on 12/8/2010 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)


You need to grow up. Anon is not out to get your child porn business.

What they are doing is of great importance.

Always people with negative things to say when someone actually stands up to fight.

Pathetic.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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This whole thing is playing out like a textbook false flag attack.
This is the all too perfect scenario to justify a total internet overhaul, and beause it is the pockets of the common man being hit by these 'attacks' via Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal, we will be begging for them to crackdown. Wikileaks is run by what we are led to believe is a 'disgruntled Former Army Intelligence Officer'... Um, Former? The internet, as it is, is too great of a threat to the establishment and like it or not, they will be handling that threat soon. I guess it just got too tedious and expensive to hire disinfo goons to keep up with the explosive growth of dissention and awakenings.
Wikileaks and these 'hackers' supporting them by attacking financial sites (convienently) are the new E-Al-Qeda, boogeymen used to false flag their way into a new war, the enemy this time however, is your mind and it's access to unfiltered information. They fear an enlightened proletariat more than anythiing.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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thank you for sharing ... i can understand your confusion. and be that as it may, try to recall, as another poster mentioned, IRC is less than, shall we say, reliable.

All i'm gonna say definitively concerning this situation is remember rule #1: never let a crisis go to waste ... if none exists, create one.

i was born during a national conflict and i expect i'll die during one as well ... sad but true.
once upon a time, about 10yrs ago, big-name entities like ... Amazon, CNN, Ebay, Etrade ... (any of those ring a bell?) came under a DDoS attack and the ecommerce suffered substantial damages. and That, was in the 'ecommerce' infancy days ... i find it rather curious and amazing that 10 Years later, this option is still available.

but then again, i also believe this whole show is part of a bigger agenda. time will tell but i still support Wiki and their attempt to share the knowledge, i hope they succeed. i am intrigued with Anon since it was conceptualized and also believe 'the children' are Not intentional participants in Anon but a viable target for those with more nefarious intent. The children are too easily misled. do you really believe the children orchestrated such an event? or maybe duped into participating in something beyond yet aligned with Anon?



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:44 AM
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You know.. I was really hard core against this whole thing. I am still against it.. but not the people anymore. The more I dig into this the more I am seeing that things really arent so cut and dried. I am also really starting to understand the opportunity that was presented here for some sort of " false flag" and it wont be the result that was intended by the participants. A few variables werent considered by the anon supporters I dont think. My mind seems to be opening as we speak here.. there is a LOT out there on the internet concerning this whole thing if you dig deep enough... and it doesnt seem right. Something is off here.. I just cant tell what. Total support or total nonsupport isnt the right thing at this point I dont think. There seems to be a lot more to this whole thing than it seems on the surface... even more than I thought.

I guess others are in the process of this as well.. changing the perspectives on this situation.. the whole wiki thing and all of the players. I think we all may have just shot ourselves in the foot on both ends of the spectrum. Like I said.. too busy focusing on one thing to see whats flanking us. Im not proposing some big dramatic thing.. just the build up to the goal of net/freedom of speech/etc control. Ugh.. they arent even hiding it anymore.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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I pretty much agree with everything you've said. The rape charges are as phony as can be and a ridiculous way to nab the guy. I haven't heard about the Kremlin connection, though that early Wikileaks contributor, Young I think his name was, suspects that they were selling secrets to foreign enemies of the US. That was essentially their business model.

All this anti-American rhetoric and the phony agitation among Assange's supporters are being run by either foreign governments or NWO types or both. We already know about Soros' connection to Wikileaks, I wouldn't be surprised if other 'comrades' were involved in this as well.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
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I pretty much agree with everything you've said. The rape charges are as phony as can be and a ridiculous way to nab the guy. I haven't heard about the Kremlin connection, though that early Wikileaks contributor, Young I think his name was, suspects that they were selling secrets to foreign enemies of the US. That was essentially their business model.

All this anti-American rhetoric and the phony agitation among Assange's supporters are being run by either foreign governments or NWO types or both. We already know about Soros' connection to Wikileaks, I wouldn't be surprised if other 'comrades' were involved in this as well.


No real kremlin connections.. I was meaning the socialist philosophy. Basically diametrically opposed to what we in the US on the whole want for our country IE freedom, liberty etc.. Its a slippery slope these days to go by the old model of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Well in this case that saying definitely doesnt apply.

Take a good hard look at these women who accused him, who they are, who they are associated with and exactly WHO was hosting Assange (and honoring him and his work) in Sweden when this all came down. I swear.. Im almost ready to believe te conspiracy about the one accuser being a CIA plant into this radical socialist group and went after Assange in that capacity! LOL! Its a twisted bunch of nonsense going on.

I hope that before throwing in completely with Assange, WIki, and the whole mess our people here really look deeply into this big mess. Even if one disregards the fact that the wiki info was stolen and all of that.. they must see what is behind WIki and Assange.. and it isnt anything that is beneficial to our country in any way.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 01:17 AM
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Try moneybookers, its reliable, fast, better than paypal.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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B I N G O and congratulations ... you just stepped outside the box ... please, go for a stroll and keep lookin. Simba said my favorite phrase of all: Look Haaarrrrrddeeerrrrr ... the truth is there, but it won't be delivered or texted or emailed or even shared by a neighbor. You have to be interested enough to learn and search and inquire or you will be misled as easily as an 11yr old (mentioned earlier) ... propaganda is sooooo easy cause ppl are just too darn busy to be interested. That has to change before anything else does.

Truth be told, i harbor no ills toward Wiki or JA but i am not convinced the cables are authentic, yet. They have been 'manipulated' (yes, redacted but that is just a different word, not a different process). Too much attention from the msm is always a red flag and this isn't the first commercial DDoS concentrated attack. What is worse in my opinion (leaning toward the neutrality issue) is that this attack was less damaging than 10yrs ago but is being portrayed as this great invader that needs wrangled or something. talk about knee-jerk reactions.

so, thanks for continuing the conversation. i am glad you are exploring, there is much to absorb so don't forget the rabbit hole is deeeeep, don't get lost. ya know, at first, i too was upset the diplomatic leaks were being released but the more i read and the more i realized --> this seems more a cover for Hilary's misdeeds (especially this early in the release) ... a bunch of 'schoolyard gossip' - evaluations my butttt. and nothing really Top Secret like many are led to believe. Most everything in upper level govt is 'classified', so that title is really nothing special.

whatever the outcome for JA, i sure hope TpTb doesn't succeed in shutting Wiki down. They have done nothing illegal, immoral or out of line IMHO. National security, as it is used and abused, is as bogus as the TSA. Yes, i believe NS is necessary with some information, but this info does not qualify. (at least not what has been leaked so far)
Another poster mentioned earlier, how would we like to have our personals advertised for all to see .. well, guess WE don't get much of a choice in that one, do we? Facebook postings are being used in court, costing ppl jobs, settlements and children. Hmmm, FL just sold 4yrs worth of DMV records, in their entirety. Clinics and physician offices dropping LOADS of patient files in ditches, dumpsters and on the street. Yeppers, we're really practicing privacy or are we being groomed to graciously accept the coming attractions? one sure wonders when you see all the dots, not just the highlighted ones.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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Lets hope a solar storm does not wipe out communications. Online businesses would die ! =(

Moneybookers doesn't compare to paypal...



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets" - Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)

There's the slight bit of optimism in me. Maybe one day we will do the government thing right, but only through revolution can humanity evolve. It's how it's always been.





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