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ANON Has Shut Down My Business--Paypal Related

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker8300
reply to post by sc4venger
 


They're targeted because of their action's against Wikileaks and Julian Assange. There is no other reason. It's just mischevious, CRIMINAL behavior. There are ways to show your support for Wikileaks & Julian without participating in criminal activity. This is around Christmas time and they're potentially interfering with a service some may depend on for profit or purchase.

You may not like their action, but that is their business & they have the freedom to run it how they see fit. Just as you do what you want with what you own and may allow someone to use it under your condition's.
If you want freedom, you have to let others be free unless they exercise their freedom to stop the freedom of another
edit on 9-12-2010 by TruthSeeker8300 because: (no reason given)


well, that's about as much of your malarkey as i can swallow ... you keep saying 2 wrongs don't make a right -- well ok, WHY are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan, simultaneously ?????? why are our US leaders breaking International laws (Hilary) REPEATEDLY, yet, you seem to be of the opinion --- that's business.

Your kind of business is what got us into this mess, in the first place. The multitude of wrongs committed along the way doesn't make for a 'right' method, either. Care to re-think your position?

you say -- "Just as you do what you want with what you own and may allow someone to use it under your condition's"-- if you really believe that statement, you must be living in a country OTHER than America. Americans don't even have the right to raise their children -- as they see fit -- without 'offending' someone, somewhere. Your rationalization for the atrocities inflicted upon your fellow man is absurd.

And, btw ... WHAT is criminal about any of the current activities ??? Assange or Anon ??? do you really know the laws or are you just spouting some politicos' paid rendition? your random attack of other posters clearly indicates that you, dear, really have no clue, whatsoever.

To end your post with these words, really says it all --> "If you want freedom, you have to let others be free unless they exercise their freedom to stop the freedom of another" --> do think about your words, you posted them ... question is ... do you really believe them ???




posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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I find it odd that so many people here say how evil papal is, yet, these same people wish to dictate what service I wish to use. Instead of me trying to find alternative ways to collect on-line payments, how about if you just use those alternative methods to make your donations to wikileaks instead? isn't that what this is all about after all?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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No, it's more about someone calling Anon terrorists because they shut down paypal's main page for a few hours and apparently he was affected. This last part is a bit dubious, though, since plenty of other people didn't have trouble with payments at all.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Australopitenico
reply to post by Blaine91555
 


You clearly have no idea about who Anon is, you have likely extracted your opinion from the media.

On a side not, so harming innocents is bad, how is that policy of abducting innocent people from their countries, torturing them in Guantanamo and then bully the nativa countries of that very same people into not pressing charges working out for ya? You don't seem to mind those thugs and bullies whose salary you are actually paynig.



Please Google Straw Man Argument.

I know exactly who Anon is and what they are.

Turning the conversation from Anon's actions hurting innocent people to another topic is a classic Straw Man Argument. It's a tactic used by people trying to defend the indefensible, like the Politicians you hate for doing the same thing.

As to Anon they and Assange socialize and associate with people who support and protest for Castro style government which is far more oppressive than the system they are fighting against. There is simply no way to defend that using even a portion of the brain cells we were born with.

Everyone in Government is not bad, that is a bald faced lie. Everyone in Business is not bad, that too is a bald faced lie. The US still has the most freedoms to live well and succeed, but Progressive Socialists are slowly stripping that away from us. They are the people they claim to hate.

Having lived through the 60's and 70's while being an activist and protester in my youth; I have known many Assanges and Anon's and they always turn out to be the same lying Anarchists who's real motivation is they thrive on violence and chaos and have orgasms when they cause it. They simply don't give a damn about anything or anyone.

I watched the Peace Movement be taken over and basterdized by these losers. Many I knew went on to become Heroine Addicts, Alcoholics, abuse their Wives and Children if they even bothered to support them (speaking of Assange). A couple I knew went to prison. One for killing a man over a drug deal and the other for shooting a mans leg off, again in a drug deal. They both spoke exactly as you write.

Those people Obama has surrounded himself with in the White House, were the Assange's and Anon's of their time. Now they got what they wanted and you see where that led.

Unfortunately these people prey on the young and groupies who think its cool. People they so thoroughly brainwash, they no longer think for themselves.

Ten years from now the economy will be back on it's feet, Obama will join the ranks of other fanatic's like Carter and Castro while Assange and Anon will be memories and the bud of peoples jokes. You will find them in Rescue Missions, leeching off their freinds and families, in prison, dead or still sadly living their youth, talking about how great they were. History always repeats itself.

My Parents and their Parents went through real hardships and suffering. No government handouts. No demanding the government steal money others earned and give it to them for sitting on their butts posting on the Internet or staging fake protests so they can destroy innocent people property and loot and steal. They worked hard, survived and built the wealth the Loser's of this world are living on now.

How do you expect business to act under corrupt politicians elected by people who want something for nothing and never give back? It is that fact that has made so many of them so dishonest. When you have a government stealing from it's productive citizens and giving it to people who are lazy Sloths at the highest Corporate and Capital Gains tax rate on the planet, you produce what we see. Then the Lazy Sloths have the nerve to rise up and demand more? Why of course they do, that is who they really are.
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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You say there are a lot of businesses that will suffer. I agree that this is correct, but the whole point is that PayPal should not have stopped donations to WikiLeaks.

At risk of this post becoming a thread digest, PP brought this upon themselves by getting involved. The reason WikiLeaks have not been tackled legally yet is precisely because NO-ONE can find a law they broke ANYWHERE.

The UK lets Assange walk around because he didn't break the law. The US are trying desperately to find a law he broke - they haven't found one yet.

etc..

The common thread that runs between Visa, MasterCard and PayPal is that they are all US companies. The US Government can't stop them legally, so they're cutrting off their funding, and pushing Sweden to arrest Assange as it is the only thing they can get him on.

Assange has proved that if you make your profile high enough you can't be touched, and so you force TPTB into using other methods.

I think 2011 will be interesting times, and this situation of cutting off WikiLeaks funding will have unforeseen implications.
edit on 9-12-2010 by mirageofdeceit because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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You posted some real truth there.


I fear that these younger ones who are wiki and assange fans dont see it. They havent learned ( or have not chosen to educate themselves on it) about the not so distant past and certainly didnt live it. For many of us this is a "been there done that" scenario.. you can see it pretty clearly.

Touching on one thing you said.. This meeting/gathering whatever you want to call it that Assange went to where he was accused of the BS rape stuff was put on by some truly frightening people with a hellish philosophy.Cleverly termed "democratic socialism". Not Obamas flavor.. he isnt even this morally corrupt if you can imagine! It is the exact thing that any patriot or freedom minded individual of any country should be appalled by... and people are still singing Assange's praises. These people awarded him, had parties in his honor.. he is aligned with ones worse than what we are dealing with now in the US.. yet he is worshiped as a hero freedom fighter. No one can see his motivations are NOT heroic nor freedom minded? These people want a regime .. a world order.. that trumps the things I read on here that people fear.. yet they sing the praises of Assange? Wiki?

I simply cant understand it...



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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AS I understand it.. the most obvious crime committed by Assange/Wiki is the acceptance and dissemination of stolen classified documents.. a federal offense. They can not arrest anyone nor take wiki to task because wiki is based in SOlna Sweden.. a little outside of our ability to impose our laws on their citizens or organizations. Plus, it is NOT the US versus wiki or Assange.. it is every country who was involved in the stolen cables has a share in this.. we can not make unilateral decisions at this point on what is to be done to move forward with any prosecution or etc.

I feel personally that the rape allegations are outrageous and by no means valid. Its a stupid charge.. he should not be jailed over that. I also feel that Assange is not a real threat nor are the cables he released. They have so far been abso,utely nothing earthshattering and much of it is very old news .....so far. Many judgements on this are made prematurely IMO. Im waiting for all of the cards to be laid on the table for making a complete judgment call.. but I do know that its simple to understand that theft of classified documents, "selling" stolen information, and dissimination of stolen information is not only illegal... but wrong. I feel we, you all of us.. are being used. We are being directed away from the true issues. Even if you think Im wrong.. at least consider the possibility that not all is as it seems with any of this.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Well, I have read through 12 pages of the thread, I hope I am not totally repeating this point. I hope thousands are negatively affected by this, no make that millions. The only thing that seems to make people take their heads out of the sand, and look around at WTF is happening in the world around them; is when their little comfort zone bubble they are living in is ruptured. Things like this are accomplishing what mass protests of old used to be held for.... Disrupting businesses and lives, and making people open their frikken eyes! A physical protest, unless large enough, does not accomplish this anymore. You need to get permission to hold protests, and they order you where you are, and are not allowed to protest. Screw that, people are so stupid and complacent it makes me sick.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
Well, I have read through 12 pages of the thread, I hope I am not totally repeating this point. I hope thousands are negatively affected by this, no make that millions. The only thing that seems to make people take their heads out of the sand, and look around at WTF is happening in the world around them; is when their little comfort zone bubble they are living in is ruptured. Things like this are accomplishing what mass protests of old used to be held for.... Disrupting businesses and lives, and making people open their frikken eyes! A physical protest, unless large enough, does not accomplish this anymore. You need to get permission to hold protests, and they order you where you are, and are not allowed to protest. Screw that, people are so stupid and complacent it makes me sick.


I dont see it accomplishing much. For all of this cyber protesting.. it did nothing. Taking down PP for a little while was pathetic. This just feeds more into the tabloid style news .. fox, cnn, all of them.. big talking points and clucking.. and youve accomplished NOTHING. No one has woken up any more than they were before. No one was actually harmed regardless of some of the "stories". I experienced a whopping 30 minutes of service disruption. Hardly earth shattering. No outrage over being molested by the TSA.. noting major anyway.. no big deal with this. You will eventually realize that this stuff sounds real great and cool... cyber "warfare" with bot farming and that little mess.. but you accomplish VERY little. WHen this blows over and a new big tabloid news story comes about.. recall this post
Dipping your toes in the pool isnt the same thing as swimming.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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My thinking is, PayPal shouldn't be taking sides on an issue such as this one. When you start to take political sides, you are no longer a legitimate business. PayPal was not under any court order to freeze Assange's accounts, they did it on their own. They have chosen to interject themselves into this issue and they will get what they deserve. The same goes for Visa and Mastercard and Amazon. They took it upon themselves to take sides on this issue. They weren't ordered to do so by any court with any authority to do so. When you take risks such as these, you should expect repercussions.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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Thats really really weird. I also run a business using paypal. I have been able to process and move around money, roughly 45 to 50 transactions.

I have talked to several people that also do business with paypal... Are you sure your not just trying to jump on the "what if" drama train?

I just did a search on the subject, and not one complaint on loss of, or disruption of service... hmmmm

Makes me think.. Why would someone come on here and start this thread and make this claim...


I thought.. maybe it just started .... so I went on my paypal and moved around some money..... Without even a stall on the pages.

Is there something you want to tell us? come on.... Did you just decide that this was the Rightchous side, and you were going to point out a possible effect, by claiming damages from this "possibility"?

I don't claim to know all the players in this game.... Or the game they are playing... But, it seems that this anon is sharp, and took restitution into consideration.. Financial transactions from Visa/Master Card/Paypal up to this point have not been effected. This was Basically a shot across the bow, saying "We are here. we are pissed, and we are ready and willing to cause havoc". This seems to have been an effective manuver. Paypal has released the money to WikiLeaks.

I dont mean to be disrespectful, just call them as I see them.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Seems a 16 year old from the Netherlands has been arrested in relation to these attacks.

video.ca.msn.com...

fixed link
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by tothetenthpower


My customers will not not receive their products, this will cause back logs with my company, with our shippers, with our suppliers virtually anybody who does business with Paypal is effectively screwed.



Paypal isn't the only game in town. Why should you honor their monopoly? Open other accesses. There is always money orders. C.O.D.'s ...Find another way.
edit on 8-12-2010 by Alethea because: forgot COD


Paypal is owned by ebay.

Ebay has made it so that sellers have to sign up for a paypal account or similar (forget all the names on the short, approved list). Paypal is the cheapest of all on the list, so most ebay sellers stuck with it to cut costs.

You are no longer allowed to accept money orders, etc on ebay. It's been a couple of years since that went into effect. It has driven away a lot of customers who refused to sign up for paypal or similar payment options.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:49 PM
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Keep in mind ToTheTenthPower also swears up and down that Google owns ebay, and therefore paypal.

He hasnt posted here since I asked him for proof.

His credibility went down the toilet.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
Is PayPal privately owned or a listed company.

Because if it is listed I would love to be at their next AGM when the shareholders turn up with the pitchforks and petrol. Nothing gets people angrier than some dumb ass screwing up the profits.


It's owned by Google.

~Keeper


google??

Huh??

It's been owned by ebay for years.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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I did experience about 30 min where I was unable to complete a transaction. I no longer use them for a business though. I was a buyer only getting a book as a gift online
Thats nothing unusual though and most everyone that has used paypal for any amount of time experiences outages and delays. I was with them when it first launched. I got so annoyed with their new operations and rules that I gave up on the whole online commerce hassle!

I am also a member of a larger group which are all involved with their online businesses using paypal.. lots of other complaints about paypal and speculation but not one of us has actually lost money due to the "disruption"... main reason I really cant imagine why this is such a topic other than imaginations running wild. There have been a lot of "non-payers" using the excuse that the cyber attack has made it so they cant pay though with a few of the sellers on ebay! LOL!


SO much about this is annoying.. That and the term " freedom fighter" seems to be applied pretty loosely these days!



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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It's owned by Google.

~Keeper


Uh, Paypal is owned by Ebay, not google.

Google has Google Checkout, their own payment processor.


Who owns Ebay?

The answer might interest you.

~Keeper


Who owns ebay??

Ebay and google are in competition with each other. For years they wouldn't allow google payments to be used on ebay. I don't know if they made the list finally or not.

Why would you think google owns ebay?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Paypal has released the money to WikiLeaks.

Any links for this?

reply to post by Advantage
 


Normally I would blast any leaking of classified documents, but these are not to do with troop movements, plans for where submarines will be or anything like that - they are more to do with how various countries really conduct business behind closed doors, and shine a light on what is really going on.

I agree with you that people need to be careful that they aren't being played, but I can't see who would gain from these leaks so far.

If control of the 'net is it, I'm sure they've had ample time to do that by now. Keeping it open is actually more beneficial to them, as much as that seems counter-intuitive.

If there is an ulterior motive to WikiLeaks, I can't see it yet...
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Well it's good to know people have a problem protesting a business.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 08:56 PM
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i'm not gonna read through this whole thread, i'm just gonna post my response to the OP.

i don't care at all. weighing the fact that our government should have transparency and grabbing its corrupt corporate buddies to prevent the public from knowing the truth OR your don't get paid... i truly don't care. ANON is doing the right thing, get a part time job, these are real events unfolding in front of us and they NEED to happen, you need to wake up and let it and support it. your company and others are trying to suppress the truth and keep you working your crummy job that you probably wouldn't even need in a world of open discourse and total transparency. no, i do not feel sorry for you at all, i support anon and wikileaks. what anon is doing is NOTHING in comparison to the atrocities in the files.



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