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Curious Thing About Wikileaks and Assange

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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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Regarding the sex scandal - look at the laws in Sweden - it is amazing anyone gets off over there!


Crackeur raises some great points regarding this whole situation. The cables, whilst interesting, aren't anything life changing. About the closest thing to it is the revelation that Saudi Arabia wants the US to take out Iran. Even the information that China would be happy to see NK fall and be ruled by SK is not really surprising, as it was always a possible scenario (just considered unlikely until now).

Probably the biggest impact Assange has had so far is in demonstrating that a country like the US can't keep a secret, and I suspect it is this that is the real issue here. If they can't keep 400,000 cables secret, then they're worrying about what else could easily get out if someone on the inside wanted to leak it.

The "insurance" file is intriguing too, but it could be nothing. We will never know unless it is released.

The action taken by PayPal, MasterCard and Visa is taking an interesting turn - a company that had something to do with the donations on the WikiLeaks site is currently looking at taking legal action against these companies, I can only assume, for breach of contract (failure to supply money transfer facilities). As we know, they have stopped processing transactions to WikiLeaks.




posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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New Rumor...

Wikileaks is fathered by Cass Sunstein, barack obama's Secretary of Information, and grandfathered by George Soros. Sunstein is "nudging" the internet in the direction he wants it to go.

We may see massive federal controls on the internet, a la china.




posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Assange is not the point of disclosure. He's just a person. Understand that even he has separated himself from the 'release' of information and that those in control, will complete the process.

Doesn't all this sound contrived? He couldn't be tracked? The information and it's scope that Assange was exposed to was known more than 6 months ago, yet we're led to believe that it couldn't be stopped before now? The intelligence resource available to the US, are far more outstanding and impressive than is known; if they wanted him, this would've been a minor blip on the radar months ago..

Reality is that this is being staged managed. The fuss being made to generate media and public excitement - to catch their attention, not on a national but international basis. A build-up is underway. Something's going to be released, in a manner that 'they' want it to be.. Assange mightn't be aware, but he's just decoy in how they're doing it.

When it's released, you'll know it.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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I think we should all prepare ourselves for the deluge of anonymous hackers supposedly attacking "free enterprise".
You could interefere with someone's shopping that way!
We can't have that!
It's E-terrorists!
We need a law to control these attackers of the free world, these "freedom haters"..
All thanks to "Anonymous"

What exactly is We the People's role in all this?
Since the government is playing both sides.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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Interesting idea, but I don't buy into it wholeheartedly. In particular I don't think it is the UFO info. that tipped the hand of the authorities. As far as I can tell a lot of the UFO lore is a disinformation campaign to hide secret technology.

That leads me in another direction that others have pointed out. I think Assange and Wikileaks in general are themselves a kind of psyop or disinfo campaign. Moreover indications suggest that he is not really working directly for a government, but is rather in the employ of something higher than a mere government official. I think he's working for one of the NWO factions.

In fact it is no secret that George Soros funded the Open Society Project
www.soros.org...
and they have ties with Wikileaks,
www.newsrealblog.com...

Soros represents the left wing of the planned socialist global dictatorship. Wikileaks is just a psyops tool to advance that project. Their leaks are specifically filtered to glorify one faction of left wing ideology IMHO.
arthurzbygniew.blogspot.com...

However I do believe that the OP makes a great point with regards to the timing of Assange's arrest. I don't think it was the UFOs that did it, but rather the threatened bank disclosures. Whom they are attacking should reveal which faction they are serving. No doubt whatever is leaked will be in the best interests of George Soros.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
So, I'm wondering, is our government so afraid of what might be in those future releases that they tightened the screws on everyone to ensure that Assange is taken into custody, hopefully removing the risk of disclosure?



A post I just made on ONE of the other Wikileaks threads that I find to be at home here is:

What's a trip is that most of us are all too familiar with the tactic being used here, I think that it is because of the shape/form that it has came in that might have thrown many off but what I see being played out with all this is a FALSE FLAG ATTACK folks! Right here before your eyes...TPTB are "attacking" themselves in order to get this internet kill switch installed man!

Come on....it has been no secret that the world has been experiencing a mass "awakening" like never before...we even heard it from the horses mouth Brezenski himself no less! We know TPTB/Elites/Illuminati/Masons plans, and we also should know what has been the single most greatest threat to those plans, that being the internet.

I am sorry but I am not believing what we are being "fed". I am a 20+ year retired senior enlisted military member that had/still has a TS/SCI security clearance for most of those 20+ years (with SIPRNET access the entire time) and if you all even think for a second that some PFC by the name of Manning carried out all of what has been reported (the leaking of 2 million + classified documents that range from embassy cables to flippin UFO's to CIA field reports and foreign country intel assessments) ALL BY HIMSELF through SIPRNET ACCESS ALONE! And even on SIPRNET you are not automatically granted access/clearance to all DoD/Gov sites as they require permission to access BASED OFF OF THE NEED TO KNOW said information...I SAY IS COMPLETE BS!

Nah folks...we are being led by our noses EXACTLY where those bastages intend on us ending up, without an internet into which we have had the advantage of being globally connected and which has been a thorn in their evil sides like they even never imagined. THIS IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION of immense proportions which will carry with it the most dire consequences for us all should they succeed :-/

"All the world is indeed a stage, and we are merely players, performers, and portrayers...Each another's audience. Outside the gilded cage"

Rush "Limelight" (screw Shakespere lol)


But seriously....I can only hope and pray that I am wrong as THIS is truly are last and only means of true resistance:-(



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Probably the biggest impact Assange has had so far is in demonstrating that a country like the US can't keep a secret, and I suspect it is this that is the real issue here. If they can't keep 400,000 cables secret, then they're worrying about what else could easily get out if someone on the inside wanted to leak it.

Very good point.

Now, let us expand this even further. While talking to a relative about this topic, we uncovered another similar dilemma caused by these leaks. - If we cannot keep our national security cables and documents a secret, other nations will not trust us enough on a personal level. Other words, these leaks have stained 'personal' connections, which we use to obtain information (or to put an agenda forward). Assange has literally damaged our personal connections with other nations; thus, the possibility for a global war has just been raised.

Why should another country come to the United States for help if we can't keep personal (blunt) conversations a secret? They would not.

As many people are celebrating the secrecy breach, they fail to realize the actual damage that has been done. Even though some of this information may not be significant, on the surface, linking them all together paints a larger and more dangerous vulnerability.

We will suffer diplomatically on all levels.

edit on 8-12-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Newbomb Turk
Nah folks...we are being led by our noses EXACTLY where those bastages intend on us ending up, without an internet into which we have had the advantage of being globally connected and which has been a thorn in their evil sides like they even never imagined. THIS IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION of immense proportions which will carry with it the most dire consequences for us all should they succeed :-/

Actually, Assange and Wikileaks would be responsible for the collapse of the internet. If the United States (the most powerful nation on the planet) cannot control the security breach, how can any other nation be able to prevent their secrets from hitting sites similar to Wikileaks?

The internet would need to be closed down. Why? It would be considered a national security vulnerability. We can thank people like Assange and Wikileaks for the internet's collapse. People who take our freedoms for granted.

All this will have consequences.

Remember, using the internet is not a right. It is a privilege.

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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Wikimedia/pedia and Wikileaks are not the same. The only thing that ties them is the open source software that anyone can use.

mediamatters.org...
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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Massive amount of Wikileaks mirror sites are being made.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Do you honestly believe they would not have touched the net had WL not released? All indications pointed towards them taming the net with or without WL. Now they have a scapegoat. It did make things easier for them to do but it was a matter of time anyway. They would have found some other scapegoat. LIEberman and friends have been trying to emulate China for some time now.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by Crakeur
 


My thinking runs along the lines that he has taken refuge in protective custody...

One has to question why he decied to take refuge in the UK, why the UK gov has tolerated the unfettered media access Assange that allowed those comments to be made, and why the UK gov has not (unlike some other govs) made any attempt to see whether Assange/Wikileaks have broken any UK laws in releasing the information in the first place..

Certainly an interesting set of questions being thrown up, and I really do like your theory
be interesting to see where this all goes next.

Edit to add: just out of speculation, and to marry into my own theory, did the new UK PM not say something about releasing all the data they had on UFOs


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LOL @ protective custody... hes probably going to be shipped back to America where he will be interrogated, tortured, and then, like the kid at Tiananmen Square, disappear.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Cablespider
reply to post by SevenThunders
 


Wikimedia/pedia and Wikileaks are not the same. The only thing that ties them is the open source software that anyone can use.

mediamatters.org...
edit on 8-12-2010 by Cablespider because: (no reason given)


I never said they were. But one person, who was involved with Wikileaks from the beginning claims that Wikileaks was involved in selling state secrets and had various unsavory ties. Moreover he states that Wikileaks received funds from George Soros' Open Society institute, which is a leftist NWO, globalist cell, set on fire by hell.


Operating a Web site to post leaked documents isn't very expensive (Young estimates he spends a little over $100 a month for Cryptome's server space). So when other Wikileaks founders started to talk about the need to raise $5 million and complained that an initial round of publicity had affected "our delicate negotiations with the Open Society Institute and other funding bodies," Young says, he resigned from the effort.


Read more: news.cnet.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 02:48 AM
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Well I think the role of WikiLeaks is quite obvious as many here have said. They need a reason for the internet kill switch and laws to monitor information exchange they have been pushing. It's right there:

news.cnet.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:17 AM
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HI folks,
I think there just may be a reason for the SWEDISH chrages........and here it is......

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A quick read will tell you exactly why its sweden thats got the legal handle on jullian......I wish him a speedy recovery from the operation.....
God help us all..............!!!!



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:39 AM
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Wow... that is just a terrible thought. SickiLeaks big time. Nothing should be implanted without consent. Crazy. You really think they might try this on him?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Cablespider
reply to post by Section31
 

Do you honestly believe they would not have touched the net had WL not released? All indications pointed towards them taming the net with or without WL. Now they have a scapegoat. It did make things easier for them to do but it was a matter of time anyway. They would have found some other scapegoat. LIEberman and friends have been trying to emulate China for some time now.

I think Wikileaks has given them an excuse. Up until this point in time, the government was using the net to spy on terrorists and foreign countries. It was a useful tool. Now, there is a question about how it affects national security.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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2010: The Year We Make Contact.

He did after all predict that Jupiter would lose it's stripe this year...

Surely Arthur C. Clarke can't be wrong?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Newbomb Turk

Originally posted by Crakeur
So, I'm wondering, is our government so afraid of what might be in those future releases that they tightened the screws on everyone to ensure that Assange is taken into custody, hopefully removing the risk of disclosure?



I am sorry but I am not believing what we are being "fed". I am a 20+ year retired senior enlisted military member that had/still has a TS/SCI security clearance for most of those 20+ years (with SIPRNET access the entire time) and if you all even think for a second that some PFC by the name of Manning carried out all of what has been reported (the leaking of 2 million + classified documents that range from embassy cables to flippin UFO's to CIA field reports and foreign country intel assessments) ALL BY HIMSELF through SIPRNET ACCESS ALONE! And even on SIPRNET you are not automatically granted access/clearance to all DoD/Gov sites as they require permission to access BASED OFF OF THE NEED TO KNOW said information...I SAY IS COMPLETE BS!

Nah folks...we are being led by our noses EXACTLY where those bastages intend on us ending up, without an internet into which we have had the advantage of being globally connected and which has been a thorn in their evil sides like they even never imagined. THIS IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION of immense proportions which will carry with it the most dire consequences for us all should they succeed :-/



Thank You Newbomb. This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to get across to everyone.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's A DUCK! Sometimes the answer is so obvious, that people miss it.

The private who supposedly helped leaked the information to Wikileaks about the US, DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION!! Only a higher ranking officer or higher up could have. The information is being controlled, but not by only Wikileaks, it's being spoon fed by someone very high up. The person or persons directing these leaks is following the proposals by Cass Sunstien. Read about it. It will make your spine tingle.

Obama confidant's spine-chilling proposal

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read and understand how deceptive this current, as well as past, administration is. They're thinking 5 steps ahead of what you're seeing right now. They want to control ALL the information you read and hear so you can't fight back.

You want to know why Wikileaks has been slowly disseminating the information, and why it hasn't been so 'earth-shattering'? The editors at Wikileaks have realized that some of the information they're getting is actually DISINFORMATION! They're trying to filter out the bad from the good and verify their sources. It's a slow and difficult process.

Why do you think the US has been lackadaisical in it's concern for Julian Assange?

Who gave him $5 million?

In the beginning, I saw Julian and Wikileaks as a rogue idealist who wanted the 'bad' people outted. More and more, I am beginning to see him as a patsy who's being used by the government (ours) to create chaos and give tptb a reason to commandeer websites (sound like a recent news story?) and eventually, a majority of the internet!

Don't believe me?

U.S. Government Seizes 82 Websites: A Glimpse at the Draconian Future of Copyright Enforcement?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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I've been unable to locate any verification that they actually received $5,000,000 from investors. From what I can gather, wikileaks operates via donations (thus the paypal, visa and mastercard issues) and they say they need about 460,000 euros a year to break even. This money would cover the salaries of 5 staffers and the operating costs for the site and the 900 (approximately) volunteers who keep the site running.


Another thing, as of August, Assange wasn't even drawing a salary.



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