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Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Originally posted by Aeons
I don't need to believe something to use it as a thought experiment.
I can appreciate this truth....although you have to admit that it is not something in which the majority of people engage, although they should. It is what tests our beliefs and values.
Originally posted by Aeons
Though, there certainly are people in Hollywood who are Satanists. I don't need to make that part up. How common it is, or how pervasive isn't something I have any knowledge of. That there are people who subscribe to some form of Satanism is statiscally normal in the population.
I don't need to own a concept and passionately believe in it in order to be able to think about it. I certainly don't need to do so just to understand someone the way they understand themselves.
And that's why so many people tell me so many interesting things.
I believe this is true.... And statistically speaking, it is also an absolute certainty that life on this planet is *not* the only living thing(s) in the universe. However, that in and of itself does not necessarily lend credence to the idea that reptilian aliens shapeshift and permeate the wealthy families of this earth. Does that mean I won't try to objectively listen to someone's belief and view their "evidence?" Certainly....I will try, but if I find flaws in their logic or data....then I shouldn't be labeled a "government plant & satanist" for pointing it out.
Originally posted by dontreally
I have a few relavant questions.
How widespread are these rings? Are they in every state, country? How would they present themselves to the world? Would they come off as normal even despite these sociopathic tendencies? Do they have normal jobs? Or do they stay in the wings.. Do they get paid for this activity?
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by Getsmart
Your story is very morbidly interesting and as with all fantastic stories I will not discount it just on the basis of it being fantastic. Still, I have questions
The big question, the one I always want to ask ex-illuminists, but never get a chance
1. Why aren't you dead? I've seen how the government handled the MKULTRA cover up. A bunch of people had unfortunate accidents. So, why aren't you "suicidal" and why haven't you gone "missing"?
2. Isn't that first picture one of Bill Schnoebelen's slides? I'm not asking this, because I think it undermines your testimony, I'm asking if you used it because he's a reliable source. I've actually made a defense thread for Bill. Can you vouch for Schnoebelen's testimony?
Was this done specifically to improve performance, or were these Russian coaches just abusing the gymnasts and using abortion to cover it up?
Other unsubstantiated allegations exist, including reports that in the 1970s Russian gymnasts as young as 14 were ordered to have intercourse with their coaches and then have abortions for performance-enhancing benefits.
To remember Vincent is very painful... Wat. would have participated in a "black mass" with other minors. Wat. relived some scenes of the past and was terrorized by them. She speaks of minors marked with a red iron and human sacrifices. She also speaks of prepared human meat that the minors have to eat. During these evenings the minors were raped by the participants. She speaks of the presence in these masses of a certain Claudio and Prince Alexander de Merode.
"FRANCE WAS facing an enormous judicial scandal yesterday after its most senior public prosecutor ordered an investigation into the unexplained disappearance of up to 24 young women in northern Burgundy over the past 30 years. . . almost all of the records of criminal investigations started and dropped by the prosecutor's office in Auxerre between 1958 and 1982 - including many cases of missing women - had been stolen or destroyed..."
In August 1997 the body of 57-year-old Christian Jambert was found in the cellar of his home in Auxerre. There was, it was said at the time, a single bullet hole in his throat, a hunting rifle by his side and a suicide note nearby. . . right until the day of his death Jambert had dedicated his every waking moment to trying to solve the mysterious disappearances and deaths of . . . seven women, aged 16 to 27, who had attended the same special education centre in Auxerre before vanishing between 1977 and 1979. . . A list of 50 people, rumoured to include several French 'notables' who had paid various rates to torture and abuse the women, was discovered by police. It would later go missing from a courtroom in Auxerre . . . after pressure from his son Philippe, Jambert's body was finally exhumed and a post-mortem carried out. It revealed that he had been shot twice. The pathologist concluded that the entry wounds were caused by two bullets of apparently different types which had been fired from different angles. Either shot would have been fatal, meaning Jambert could not have killed himself.
Justice Minister Dominique Perben sacked Toulouse's prosecutor-general, Jean Volff, last week for covering up links between senior officials and the exploitation of vulnerable girls. Volff has denied any wrongdoing... disappearance of 115 young women in the Toulouse area between 1986 and 1997, and are probing earlier claims that [Patrice] Alègre was paid to establish a prostitution network by respected local leaders . . . She identified men with whom she had sex at Toulouse's Palais de Justice and said sado-masochist orgies went on at a chateau owned by Toulouse council. She claimed she had witnessed the killing by Alègre of two girls he had recruited... Alègre who, for a time, worked in the police station canteen. . . Alegre, 35, is already serving a life sentence for murdering 10 women and raping two others.
Franck V.'s lawyer Pascal Rouiller says he is convinced the men were part of a sophisticated network of paedophiles who tapped into Angers' underbelly as word of the prostitution ring spread. They brought in customers who "had money, made appointments, and were punctual," Rouiller says. One man paid €458 for one sexual assault on a child, and Franck V.'s wife, Patricia, regularly took in about €1,200 a month. "Franck had telephone calls from the whole of France," says Rouiller. "He's a poor miserable man with no intelligence. He had no reason to have contact with people in Montpellier or Lille
Note that at the end here, the accused uses the exact same defense that Nihoul gave. He is untouchable because those who would prosecute him are complicit.
"The issue [of child abuse] has dominated Portuguese headlines since last November, when a newspaper published allegations of long-running abuse of children at the string of state-funded orphanages and schools run by the 200-year-old Casa Pia foundation [Smedley's note: this is an orphanage]. As fresh revelations emerged, a former secretary of state for the family spoke of a "network" that procured children for outsiders. Carlos Silvino, the Casa Pia driver alleged to be at the centre of the ring, was arrested on suspicion of sexually abusing pupils. He has been charged on 35 counts of abuse, with prosecutors considering further charges. . . a dozen suspects were formally named, seven of whom were arrested and taken to prison to await charges. Among them were Paulo Pedroso, an MP and number two in the opposition Socialist Party; Carlos Cruz, one of Portugal’s most popular television journalists and retired ambassador Jorge Ritto. . . Bibi drove the van to the prestigious homes of some of the leading members of Lisbon society - ranging from Portuguese government ministers and high-ranking diplomats, to famous television stars and members of the judiciary. There, the children were repeatedly sexually abused. Some were allegedly drugged to make them compliant; others were plied with alcohol. This continued for years. Assaults were filmed; pictures of one attack were subsequently found at the home of a suspected paedophile in Paris. According to medical records, the victims' injuries were horrific - and consistent with serious sexual assault and rape. . . Amid rumours of links to other paedophile gangs across Europe and the U.S.. . . Bibi could count himself a lucky man. He originally faced allegations that he had sexually assaulted more than 600 children. That has since been reduced to 30. Silvino has hinted at the high-level of the conspiracy, saying: "They can't touch me - there are too many people involved."
parliamentary investigation into the alleged connection of senior public officials with the sexual abuse of underage boys. . . Lawmakers expressed dissatisfaction with the procurator's investigation, charging that it was proceeding too slowly. In early December, Deputy Janis Adamson’s (Social Democratic Party [SDP]), chairman of the investigative committee, publicly questioned Procurator General Janis Skrastins's commitment to the case. . . By the end of December, a majority of deputies (52) from all parliamentary factions had signed the request. Nevertheless, a judge of the Supreme Court, Andris Gulans, announced he would not initiate a review, arguing that the deputies had not observed the necessary formalities. A few days later, however, the deputies resubmitted their request to Gulans, who finally relented, nominating Justice Voldemars Cizevski to review Skrastins's performance. Pre-empting any possible negative evaluation, Skrastins abruptly announced his resignation on January 3... Adamson’s announced in parliament that the names of high-ranking officials-including Prime Minister Andris Skele, former minister of foreign affairs and prime minister and the current minister of justice, Valdis Birkavs, and the chief of the State Revenue Service, Andrejs Sonciks-had been mentioned in the investigation.