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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by dontreally

Im not sure the queen is at the top of the pyramid. For instance, the order of the golden fleece is by far the most prestigious order on earth - with all the worlds monarchs in it - including strangely enough, Abdullah, King of Saudi Arabia, who is stylazied as the 'guardian of the two holy mosques". The word 'guardian' really sticks out, as if Islam somehow plays into the wider picture. Keep in mind that the Order of the Golden Fleece is a ROMAN CATHOLIC order. The grandmaster of this order is Juan Carlos, King of Spain, with the queen and others as subordinate.

I defintely agree that the aristocratic families of europe are at the very top of it all. I find that the Massimo family or rome, which is widely regarded as the oldest noble family in Europe could be the engine that moves all the rest. For instance, the other big noble houses marry off their princesses to the massimo princes. In esotericésymbolic terms, this suggest a passivity on their part to the active, much more ancient and less known Massimo family. They are actually descended from the ancient roman Maximi who in turn derive from the fabians.


Your reference to this family is noteworthy as they are extended in various forms. Here is their origin:


"Fabius Maximus Rullianus, commander of the Roman cavalry under dictator Papirius Cursor in 325 BC beat the Samnites and killed 20,000 of their troops. However he had battled them in the absence of the dictator and without having orders to do so, which almost cost him his life for undisciplined conduct. His father Fabius Ambustus was able to argue his cause and saved him from execution and he went on to become 5 times Consul, twice dictator, regent and prince of the Senate. He again vanquished the Samnites united with the Etruscans at the battle of Sentinum in 296BC, killing some 60,000 men. His exploits earned him the nickname of Maximus, the most great, which his descendants have since born as their name."


Early Stages of Roman conquest and expansion centuries before our era



You will note that the current allegations that the Roman Empire went "stealth" by switching its means of control to usurp Christianity by merging it with pagan cults instead of bearing the cost of military domination shows that Rome continued without interruption to dominate the Western World, and even the Orient with Constantine. That the same ancient Roman families are still dominant is testimony to this fact.


What is interesting to remember is that the original name of this oldest of patrician Roman families constituting the upper layers of today's ruling nobility - is not Maximus but Fabius. This name today still serves as a "stealth" Illuminati family name. They are not therefore overtly noble, and can thus penetrate the opposition more effectively under the guise of anonymity which those bearing the name one of the world's leading families would be hard pressed to do. For example we can note that it is a Fabius, who was under Illuminati French President Mitterrand the Prime Minister of France, is today one of the main historical leaders of the French Socialist Party, a role one could hardly prescribe to a Maximus Prince. His name is Laurent Fabius and he is seen here with Illuminati tool and Econonic Hit Man Dominique Strauss Kahn, currently Presiding the International Monetary Fund slated to receive $43 Trillion in funds for 'Special Drawing Rights' to establish a single Global Currency.


Masqueraing as a Socialist next to the IMF's sex-crazed womanizer



We can also find it interesting to remark that although he was widely expected to become the next President of France instead of Jacques Chirac, he was barred from this opportunity for his role in the purveyance of AIDS contaminated blood through his governments dealings with blood procurement and distribution. That he would be removed from power for a "Blood related" criminal inquiry is quite ironic when you consider the involvement of most of the top Illuminati families with ritual blood sacrifice. We can wonder if this wasn't in a way a message sent him and his acolytes by a third party that they're to give way to another power?


Blood scandal ministers walk free


Nonetheless this explains the process of extending the reach of the top Royal Bloodlines directly through secret societies and huge financial cartels, and indirectly through their stealth Royals who under the guise of more mundane and less detectable names run our current affairs as usurpers of either democracies or even dictatorships as their masters are neither the State or any official authority figure but instead a hidden secret group called The Illuminati.


Getsmart




posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Getsmart

The Illuminati are quite widespread, and they populate various levels of the power structure you can see in the graphic below, usually depending on their degree of "genetic hierarchy" which they truly believe to carry within it certain predispositions, virtues and There's a whole lot out there if you're interested, but only investigate if you have a "need to know" given that what you learn is very disturbing. What you tend to discover no matter what slope you use to approach the subject is that most of the institutions and organizations which are dominant in world affairs are not only deeply penetrated by the satanic Illuminati and royal bloodlines, but that they are run by them from the top down.





boy am I glad to have seen this. I have been looking for the Illuminati for some time now. I have a bunch of questions for them. You seem quite knowledgeable about them, so if you could be so kind as to point me to one of these "widespread" groups. I don't mind traveling, but would like to stay as close to home as possible. Since they are everywhere, it shouldn't be hard. Thanks in advance for your help in this matter.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally

Why was it filmed like a movie for? It looks like it was a movie set or something; with regard to both the film quality and the police. If it was real, than that is just sickening. What nutjobs.


This should acquaint you on short notice with the special brand of "in your face" humor which they enjoy as an inside joke. It's all part of the fun.


Originally posted by dontreally

Are you a spiritual person by any chance? Cause i can not for the life of me understand how you can overcome the horrors of this treatment without any eruptions or flashbacks to the experiences. Typically, this is how the mind works.


No. First of all you either adhere to the cult of Evil where you seek power and god status, venerating yourself or that creature which they may call by any name, from Great Architect of the Universe to Lucifer with countless other monikers. Otherwise it is hard to believe anything having seen the depths of depravity that a cult can lead to. You could say that I believe in Good, whatever that means, in my case it means opposing Evil.


Originally posted by dontreally

The concept of 'unconscious demolition' or destruction doesnt sound real to me. I mean, there must be some force, G-d, who is working through you unconsciously and therefore enabling you to not respond adversely to the memories/treatment..


This may be true, although it sure wasn't present for the first 20 odd years. Such events scar you deep and even if you heal their effect is still present. Earlier today I even wondered, after bashing the Mossad in another thread, whether I am not playing out their programming by self-destructing, taking on all comers until one of them does me in?


Originally posted by dontreally

I'm not trying to incite any memories or anything i just find your story sensational; or if its true, implausible. Do you ever get emotional? I know that when i feel emotional even about little matters, or if i get an anxiety (my mom bequeathed to her children nervous issues. ah well) i can ignore it but nonetheless it is an uncomfortable and undesirable experience.


Just years of being broken, trying to heal and learning to live with the memories. And learning to live with, contend with and manage the emotional instability that comes with the territory. Not easy but feasible over time. Still incomplete memories fill in their blanks as the mind becomes better able to contend with certain very uncomfortable facts, those pertaining to your loved ones being the toughest. It isn't as though you remember a different version of events, you simply at last remember the small parts blocked from memory which fit into the flow of events.


Originally posted by dontreally

Forgive me if im offbase. Maybe i dont understand the pathology of people who have undergone this shellshocking treatment. Maybe. Its completely unlike anything i could possibly understand or know without going through it myself. In theory, possibly its true. That your mind has become so impervious to uncomfortable thoughts, memories, sights or emotions, that it simply doesn't register or disregards them.


You'd be surprised what the human soul can endure, a living hell can be experienced and survived as our lengthy harsh history can attest. Not having known emotional comfort at any time of your infancy nor physical safety or genuine affection either hardens you or destroys you. Many among the latter die young of accidents or alleged suicide or illness, so you're quite correct that it is hard to find something worth living for unless you've been able to unplug and start a new life elsewhere with new friends and rebuiding an entirely different new life.

GS



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Interesting that you note the connection between the Fabians and socialism. Britain's Labour party was founded by members of the Fabian Society of socialists. Based on their anti-revolutionary bent, I am willing to bet that their goal is to maintain the power structure for as long as possible while giving the plebians what they demand - not unlike Bismarck in 19th Century Germany.

The Fabian society was named after Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus Cunctator ["The Delayer"], the grandson of Fabius Maximus Rullianus. The Fabian Society advocated the renewal and spread of Renaissance (neo-Roman) ideals across the whole world. It was the political extension of the Fellowship of the New Life.

Members included Havelock Ellis. He was an early sexologist and eugenicist (should ring some bells). His book Sexual Inversion

describes the sexual relations of homosexual males, including men with boys. Ellis wrote the first objective study of homosexuality, as he did not characterise it as a disease, immoral, or a crime. The work assumes that same-sex love transcended age taboos as well as gender taboos. Seven of his twenty-one case studies are of inter-generational relationships.


Havelock served as president of the British Eugenics Society. The director of the Eugenics Society from 1937-1944 was Keynes, the famous economist.

Another relevant member was John Kellogg, who infamously promoted vegetarianism and corn flakes as means of reducing and destroying sexual energy. His anti-sex and anti-masturbation views in particular advised the use of circumcision on boys and the application of carbolic acid to girls' clitorises or their complete removal as means of reducing pleasure and hence, masturbation. This incredibly traumatic method of reducing sensitivity has obvious use and sadistic value to the type of person we have been discussing throughout this entire thread.

I have other things to do than think about disgusting old elites right now.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

boy am I glad to have seen this. I have been looking for the Illuminati for some time now. I have a bunch of questions for them. You seem quite knowledgeable about them, so if you could be so kind as to point me to one of these "widespread" groups. I don't mind traveling, but would like to stay as close to home as possible. Since they are everywhere, it shouldn't be hard. Thanks in advance for your help in this matter.



Well Network Dude, is this some of that nice 'Tongue in Cheek' mockery that makes the dark side so cozy ?
As I doubt that with so many posts you are totally out of the loop!

Regardless, and extending the benefit of the doubt, that picture was a general illustration of the structuring of our society around the long lasting lines of family dominance. I cannot vouch for its exactitude of that graphic, and I didn't draw it up myself. You can laugh it off if you so desire, but the more you study and learn about this world should tend to confirm its relative plausibility, as long you think outside of the box of contrived academic apologetic explanations and the fabricated cover stories fed to lower echelon implementers such as Masons. As to where exactly the Illuminati are geographically established, the allusion to separate 'cells' arranged in loose self-sufficient networks can possibly better describe The Illuminati than this description suits its usual target: Al Qaeda.

What I can and do state, is that according my own experience with them from an intermediate level in my own family and having had childhood friends from the names at the very top, that the allegations of renegade Illuminati programmer Svali happen to ring True, corresponding accurately in the matters I have lived out myself. This doesn't of course mean that all she says is necessarily true, but her track record where I can verify it was pretty much near perfect. She gives numbers in the 3 million members, so if that is genuinely an area you wish to research, help yourself.

GS



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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I wish people would have the courtesy to state weather they are posting fact, or opinion. Fact would be like saying "the Illuminati are all over", opinion would be like saying "I think the Illuminati still exist, but I have no proof". I have a genuine interest in this subject and would very much like to speak to current members. I just don't think they exist. If you have some idea of factual information concerning the Illuminati I would be very interested to learn more about it. I should have no problem finding them as I am already halfway up your pyramid. Just waiting on the checks to start rolling in.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

Interesting that you note the connection between the Fabians and socialism. Britain's Labour party was founded by members of the Fabian Society of socialists. Based on their anti-revolutionary bent, I am willing to bet that their goal is to maintain the power structure for as long as possible while giving the plebians what they demand - not unlike Bismarck in 19th Century Germany.



Hi Smedley,


Thanks for the many interesting links, it's nice having someone else doing the footwork as there's so much to research to patch together the pieces. Regarding the Fabians, Trotsky wasn't murdered without reason. He was quite well informed and knew who he was dealing with and they knew the threat he posed. No humanist and probably having it coming, he was nonetheless assassinated in rather unusual circumstances. Here's from that wiki page you linked to:



"Leon Trotsky, a Bolshevik and an influential 20th century revolutionary socialist and former Red Army General, wrote that Fabianism was an attempt to save capitalism from the working class. He wrote that "throughout the whole history of the British Labour movement there has been pressure by the bourgeoisie upon the proletariat through the agency of radicals, intellectuals, drawing-room and church socialists and Owenites who reject the class struggle and advocate the principle of social solidarity, preach collaboration with the bourgeoisie, bridle, enfeeble and politically debase the proletariat".



He however maybe failed to discern between the ruling Elite and the lesser bourgeois class, unless he meant go refer to those we know as the Illuminati who are in fact stealth aristocrats 'bastards' posing as the highest representatives of the unkempt bourgeoisie tolerated only for their propensity for complicity.



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

The Fabian society was named after Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus Cunctator ["The Delayer"], the grandson of Fabius Maximus Rullianus. The Fabian Society advocated the renewal and spread of Renaissance (neo-Roman) ideals across the whole world. It was the political extension of the Fellowship of the New Life.



I hadn't heard about that fellowship and wonder if it too didn't have founding ramifications with the Tavistock Institute which follows suit in having a ruling class of the "brightest and best" social scientists deciding how we should be formatted and conditioned?



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

Members included Havelock Ellis. He was an early sexologist and eugenicist (should ring some bells). His book Sexual Inversion

describes the sexual relations of homosexual males, including men with boys. Ellis wrote the first objective study of homosexuality, as he did not characterise it as a disease, immoral, or a crime. The work assumes that same-sex love transcended age taboos as well as gender taboos. Seven of his twenty-one case studies are of inter-generational relationships.


Havelock served as president of the British Eugenics Society.



Havelock must be frolicking in the sky with young boys with joy at the fact that his promotion of homosexuality has been risen from that of a deviance from nature which is assumed and is in parallel either reproved or tolerated. to a new status as a 'metrosexual' social norm where social abnormality is attributed to the boring state of 'heterosexual deviance'...



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

The director of the Eugenics Society from 1937-1944 was Keynes, the famous economist.



Need we wonder why Keynesian economics has been considered both apologetic of certain behaviors as well as instrumental to the suppression of more valid theories and policies?



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

Another relevant member was John Kellogg, who infamously promoted vegetarianism and corn flakes as means of reducing and destroying sexual energy. His anti-sex and anti-masturbation views in particular advised the use of circumcision on boys and the application of carbolic acid to girls' clitorises or their complete removal as means of reducing pleasure and hence, masturbation. This incredibly traumatic method of reducing sensitivity has obvious use and sadistic value to the type of person we have been discussing throughout this entire thread.



I didn't know that, although the Kellogg family's dominance of the breakfast cereal market and their use of that special family moment when you are barely awake for purveying conditioning messages sure didn't fail to reach me. We can assume that the genetically modified grains used in that brand's cereals aren't intended to improve your sperm count given the ideals behind that family's business plan placing social engineering way ahead of the bottom line.


It appears that having Hitler follow their example from the 1920's brought this specific eugenicist elite to dissimulate their true intent having gotten a bad name due to their disciple's indiscreet experiements. For example without getting into Nazi Death Camp doctor Claus Clauberg's fertility experiments, there were those by future American Eugenics Society member Otmar Baron von Verschuer who was construed to have removed the eyes of twins in assorted pairs for research purposes on genetic iris coloration differences. That research is said to have helped others, such as Josef Mengele for whom it had become an obsession, to genetically engineer modifications of the eye color of clones.


Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer short biography


Like you, I'd rather think about something else that about the decomposing minds and moral decay of that sad assembly of sorry fools, so I'll leave this thread well enough alone - until tomorrow.


GS
edit on 10-1-2011 by Getsmart because: those sterilizing eugenicists have got us by the #alls.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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I said I would be back with more on the USA, and here I am. This is all hearsay and nothing has ever been conclusively proven. Keep in mind that I am trying to show the extent of allegations of abuse, and I reserve judgment in all cases.

Lt-Colonel Michael Aquino was the founder of the Temple of Set. He founded the temple after becoming disilllusioned with Anton LaVey's Church of Satan. LaVey had been selling initiations into higher rites, bringing in greater numbers of Satanists that were uninterested in the spiritual/magical/philosophical element of the religion. He's a serious academic 'Setian' and seems affable enough from his internet postings. His Temple of Set, like the Church of Satan, incorporates Nazi occultism. In the 1980's Aquino visited the repaired site of Wewelsburg castle, Heinrich Himmler's cult centre for the SS. [Warning, that last link appears to be a neo-nazi site. I found the page by doing a Google search for "Michael Aquino Wewelsburg."]


Temple of Set Founder Michael Aquino visited Wewelsburg several times during the early 1980's and was very impressed. He performed a ritual in the North Tower to ressurect the energies of Wewelsburg on the world and incite a "Satanic renaissance: to jump-start the next phase of human evolution. Certainly, this theme is to be found all through Nazi writings and speeches from the very earliest days."8


The American scandal.
Ctrl+f to search. Look for keywords "Aquino" and "Gladio"

In November 1986, San Francisco police had begun investigating claims of sexual abuse centering on the Army's ChildDevelopmentCenter at the Presidio of San Francisco. During the investigation, in August 1987, one of the girls ran into her abuser while on a shopping trip with her father. She froze, pointed to a person named Lt.-Col. Michael Aquino, and identified him as "Mikey". Mikey, with help of a member of the child day care center staff, had taken her off site to be abused at his home. During the following investigation, the girl could accurately point out the house of Aquino (282) and describe some of the interior details (283).

In October 1987, news of the Presidio molestings hit the local news and it was reported that at least 58 of 100 children who had visited the day care center showed physical and mental signs of sexual abuse (284). Some of the details that came out were that children had been tortured with needles (285) and that some had been forced to drink urine and eat feces (286). The parents sued the day care center for more than 60 million dollars (287), and as time went on, more and more claimed there was a cover up of the facts (288). Aquino was under investigation for a while, but never officially charged with anything (289). The case died a quiet death.


Allegedly, Aquino was in some sort of command position with regards to the MKUltra/Monarch program in Germany. The staff were allegedly Neo-Nazis. It is further alleged that Aquino's projects in Europe, as an agent of NATO, included some work on 'Operation Gladio'. Gladio was the name of a NATO "stay-behind" operation to be activated in the case of communist invasion of Italy. Other NATO Stay-behind operations existed throughout Western Europe.

Gladio and other stay-behinds were effectively terrorist cells that were kept asleep until such time as communists invaded the country or were duly elected to office. These were underground fascist militias kept armed, funded and hidden by NATO in case of a communist takeover.

WNP was one such operation in Belgium (ctrl+f to search). At least one member of WNP, Madani Bouhouche, was accused of child abuse by X1.

"X1 identified Madani Bouhouche as the very violent driver of the BMW who took her to 'the factory' and Christian Amory as a sort of slave driver who brought her and her fellow victims to recording studios or parks where older men shot at hunted children. One of the colonels belonged to that group, X1 says. Her account about these kinds of hunting parties on human game, about which X2, X3, X4 and Nathalie W. later also speak, is by far the most controversial part of her testimony... One of the individuals that was recognized used to be a driver in a service [the Diana Group] that was headed by Lhost and was in the possession of heavy black BMWs [earlier reported having seen by X1]." (269)



On Aquino's website he provides this summary of the scandal.

An ATS thread on the subject is here. Lt.-Col Aquino posted in it.
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I have just noticed another cute little clue in Eyes Wide Shut. The founder of the Church of Satan is Anton Szandor LaVey; the mysterious Hungarian blue-blood in the film is Sandor Szavost. I assume this was deliberate, considering the themes of the film.


edit on 10-1-2011 by SmedleyBurlap because: grammar



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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network dude the people that Getsmart is talking about is the powers that be that is commonly known as the Illuminati, if there group is related to Adam Weishaupt Illuminati no one is really 100 percent sure that's up for debate but most of these so called nobles masonry allegiance is not even recognized by most American mason groups because they allow Atheists to join...these are the powers that be.... and also when i tell you that most of the corrupt masonry happens over seas these types are what i'm talking about....
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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Make of them what you may.

Quartiers
Famille

Philippine, baronne de Rothschild
* 22.11.1935
Parents
Père: Philippe, Baron de Rothschild * 13.04.1902
Mère: Elisabeth Pelletier de Chambure * 1902
Marriages
1961
Jacques Sereys * 1928

Enfants

* Camille Sereys * c. 1965
Bertrand Coty
Eric Ögren
* Philippe Sereys de Rothschild * c. 1965
* Julien Sereys

Titres

* Baronnes de Rothschild



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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rothschilds are saplings compared to the traditional noble houses; capetian, massimo, etc.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

I wish people would have the courtesy to state weather they are posting fact, or opinion. Fact would be like saying "the Illuminati are all over", opinion would be like saying "I think the Illuminati still exist, but I have no proof".



Whoever, whatever you are,


Point taken. And I concur. I have no proof any person under the name Network Dude exists. For all I know it could be some programmed webbot that is cranking out random attacks against anyone stirring up the pot uncomfortably. So I won't reply to such posts anymore because there is no proof that they are real posts.


Getsmart
edit on 11-1-2011 by Getsmart because: some folks can't think and need everything in the world handed to them on a silver platter instead of moving mountains like the rest of us.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

Interesting that you note the connection between the Fabians and socialism. Britain's Labour party was founded by members of the Fabian Society of socialists. Based on their anti-revolutionary bent, I am willing to bet that their goal is to maintain the power structure for as long as possible while giving the plebians what they demand - not unlike Bismarck in 19th Century Germany.



Hi Smedley,

The Fabians is but one example of a same family lineage having many branches with different names extending their influence through centuries of descendants. What ties them together throughout much of our history, when we see so many families scattering after only one or two generations? Maybe that is part of the Illuminati conditioning. Something which implants and retains its grip on children, enslaving them to certain key allegiances to their own heritage. Did you ever wonder why the Bush children stay in alignment with their forefathers? That is but one example of many Illuminati family histories where there is little enduring rebellion, and when there is, even the black sheep tend to be pulled back into the fold.



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

This is all hearsay and nothing has ever been conclusively proven. Keep in mind that I am trying to show the extent of allegations of abuse, and I reserve judgment in all cases.


That is the force of the horror of these families. The abuse is too harsh to confront oneself in one's own memories, and becomes ridiculously excessive to the point of being discredited as confabulation being so extreme as to seem the product of a psychotic mind.

We remember Vladimir Lenin who said "A lie told often enough becomes truth" but, for the Illuminati, the reverse carries a measure of protection: "A truth told seldom enough becomes a lie".

In example, in this largest of conspiracy forums, what percentage of threads mentions such horrid abuses? So few we wonder if any at all. While those most zealous to disprove this point will assuredly come forth with lists, let them try with other things far less plausible and in my own experience definitely less confirmed as factual, for example elves and fairies, I would wager that even such topics would outnumber them.

This has to do with something which the Illuminati have known for a long time pertaining to the human mind and its confrontation with reality. If things are too difficult to accept, we won't. This holds true for those to whom you relay unpalatable information, however factual, but worse yet, it also extends itself to our own acceptance of the reality of our own experience. It is far more comfortable for us to think "it was all a bad dream" and dismiss the memories than to deal with the drastic implications, my prior posts will tell you what that would be if you imagine it was you, with your own parents and siblings in the other roles.

The Illuminati may be mad, but there is method to their madness.

GS



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Getsmart
This has to do with something which the Illuminati have known for a long time pertaining to the human mind and its confrontation with reality. If things are too difficult to accept, we won't. This holds true for those to whom you relay unpalatable information, however factual, but worse yet, it also extends itself to our own acceptance of the reality of our own experience. It is far more comfortable for us to think "it was all a bad dream" and dismiss the memories than to deal with the drastic implications, my prior posts will tell you what that would be if you imagine it was you, with your own parents and siblings in the other roles.
I did in fact imagine myself in a similar role, and it was very unpleasant. I could not tell if they were sickening fantasies or buried memories. I have been having some difficulty trusting appearances since discovering this thread. I look around me and everyone seems to show signs of participation in some abuse or other, in some role or other. It was very shocking for some time, perhaps a week, before I started to feel numb and normal again.

I can still see these things though. I can read others like books and find clues to a hidden past that I never noticed before. Clues that even they don't recognize. Half-remembered statements float into my memory, things that my acquaintances have said in the past that seemed strange at the time and have taken on a nauseating new meaning with my new knowledge. Things that I had forgotten for ages are returning to me at seemingly random times. MK Ultra triggers are starting to affect me, by reminding me of the monstrous crimes that I researched obsessively for a week and more. I've regained control of my senses since then, but I still feel as though my present personality is not my best, or favourite, or that it will last much longer. I have a very fatal feeling that this personality will end soon, and a new one will emerge. I can't wait for that day, I'm sick of this recent bout of paranoia.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

I did in fact imagine myself in a similar role, and it was very unpleasant. I could not tell if they were sickening fantasies or buried memories. I have been having some difficulty trusting appearances since discovering this thread. I look around me and everyone seems to show signs of participation in some abuse or other, in some role or other. It was very shocking for some time, perhaps a week, before I started to feel numb and normal again.



Hi Smedley,


Our minds are by nature made to be extremely impressionable, this is how we adapt to the world in which we evolve and come at least partially into convergence with one another. This is why we will "hear what we see" and will tend to "see what we believe". This is also how TPTB use Mind Control to good effect in creating our reality Matrix. That is how we see as real what we've been primed to believe is out there, and are either blind to or reject what we have been led to believe cannot exist. It becomes that much more difficult to ascertain for yourself what is real, because by departing from the common paradigm we wind up convincing ourselves that things are organized differently, for example with a Conspiracy Theory, making us prone to see evidence of that theory everywhere when we only see it because we happen to believe it. To illustrate how our mind works in this way, here's a short clip about the McGurk Effect.


Are you hearing it or are you seeing it?



The only way to find your way within the realm of possibilities which is opened once you contest an imposed reality, is to entertain multiple competing versions and assemblies of facts, taking each with a grain of salt but remaining open to all potential scenarios and many manners of evidence or contributing phenomena.


So this means that either you were also subjected to similar treatment, explaining your attraction to the subject matter needing to unconsciously sort things out and thus consciously seeking to acquire more information, or you were simply exposed to this topic out of curiosity and it happened to impress your imagination and set your dreams into action, causing you to wonder if there weren't also memories from your own past?


Here are some potential tell-tale signs, which of course are far from infallible but are my best shot at this time. If your childhood memories are mostly happy, with few if any bad recollections, this is a warning sign unless you were one of the very rare fortunate to have had balanced loving parents in a relatively healthy mindset. If you were from the upper echelons of society that would be grounds for apprehension. If there were relatives involved in the occult, covens, magic or black masses, these also should set off alarm bells. If your sexuality was abnormal, meaning too important or excessive or else something you reproved or needed artifices and fantasies to carry forth, there again is a warning. If you are what they call manic depressive, or happen to shift temperament much to your entourage's surprise, that is a sign of instability which may be in relation to substantial abuse of any number of natures or causes. I cannot help more without knowing anything.



Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap

I can still see these things though. I can read others like books and find clues to a hidden past that I never noticed before. Clues that even they don't recognize. Half-remembered statements float into my memory, things that my acquaintances have said in the past that seemed strange at the time and have taken on a nauseating new meaning with my new knowledge. Things that I had forgotten for ages are returning to me at seemingly random times. MK Ultra triggers are starting to affect me, by reminding me of the monstrous crimes that I researched obsessively for a week and more. I've regained control of my senses since then, but I still feel as though my present personality is not my best, or favourite, or that it will last much longer. I have a very fatal feeling that this personality will end soon, and a new one will emerge. I can't wait for that day, I'm sick of this recent bout of paranoia.



If this is indeed a spontaneous phenomenon and not provoked by empathy or exposure to the sorry and sad evil that was unfortunately inevitably evoked by my gruesome posts, then you are in for some trouble opening that can of worms. I would suggest learning self-hypnosis, at the same time being extremely cautious due to the very 'literal' interpretation of any suggestions you might make by your subconscious, be careful and very precise. And I wouldn't let others use hypnosis on you if it can be avoided. Mostly it should serve to help you discern between real memories and mental projections, also it would help to soften the blows, at least in a first time, so that if you relive them they will seem partially present but not fully encompassing. Again you should seek to preserve a modicum of moral strength when reliving your moral annihilation through abuse.


One last thing to remember, except for the most despicable and lost souls involved, all your tormentors are themselves victims in the long chain of abuse, entrapped and only partially conscious of what has taken grip on them. Not to be forgiven, but neither to be sought out for vengeance as the deed is done and they didn't really do it freely and out of will or desire.


For others here who aren't familiar with this particular social group and their creed and religion and family culture, here are a couple of short introductory videos which provide some basics about the Illuminati.


Good Intentions harboring Evil Acts



In this second video at minute 7:30 we learn that the FBI has evidence of an estimated 4 million practicing satanists in the United States alone.


Satanic Ritual Abuse is rampant among them



And for those who still don't believe any of this exists, here is an Illuminati Propaganda spot which is designed to attract you to this ever so cool a religion which preaches that Good and Evil don't exist except as experience to be embraced. LOL


Get 'enlightened' and apply for your share of naked blue girls



Getsmart
PS. That last video really shows how self-deceived they are as well as tools for an satanic Alien infiltration of Earth.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Here are some potential tell-tale signs, which of course are far from infallible but are my best shot at this time. If your childhood memories are mostly happy, with few if any bad recollections, this is a warning sign unless you were one of the very rare fortunate to have had balanced loving parents in a relatively healthy mindset. If you were from the upper echelons of society that would be grounds for apprehension. If there were relatives involved in the occult, covens, magic or black masses, these also should set off alarm bells. If your sexuality was abnormal, meaning too important or excessive or else something you reproved or needed artifices and fantasies to carry forth, there again is a warning. If you are what they call manic depressive, or happen to shift temperament much to your entourage's surprise, that is a sign of instability which may be in relation to substantial abuse of any number of natures or causes. I cannot help more without knowing anything.
Some of these signs do apply to me, though I am not presently comfortable saying which ones. I have not deluded myself into thinking that I am a victim of some mind control program or satanic ritual (at least, not yet!) As far as I know, all of these signs can be ascribed to the 'tough love' I received as a child (i.e. physical, emotional, verbal abuse). Typical stuff, really. It was always chalked up to tradition or heritage by my parents, that was how they normalized it. I don't know how severe it was relative to other people's experiences. What little I have heard of my parents' childhoods has been much worse than my memories of my own childhood.

I don't remember much of my childhood, but I wouldn't say that my memories of it are mostly happy, either. I do think that I have suppressed some of my earlier memories - I can recall some situations in which I was trying to force myself to forget something. I don't remember what I was trying to forget, but I do (vaguely) remember trying to forget!

I have tried meditative and pharmaceutical methods of self-reflection, with varying degrees of success. I don't know how I would even begin performing self-hypnosis. I do occasionally relive old, partially-repressed memories out of the blue. It is very unpleasant when it happens, and my reaction to it is to virtually wrestle it back into my subconscious (sometimes with a physical response).

I have actually been exposed to these sorts of crimes before (not in person, but through other websites and media and persons and so on). I am sorry to say it, but I don't really feel empathy towards you, either. I call it skepticism, but really I just do not feel genuine empathy most of the time that I am expected to. I have felt more empathy for animals than human beings. My reaction to this thread was horror, in a sense - something that I am not used to feeling, either. It synchronized with some of those partially-repressed memories and revived some other memories that were once-recurring and had faded into my subconscious several years ago.


One last thing to remember, except for the most despicable and lost souls involved, all your tormentors are themselves victims in the long chain of abuse, entrapped and only partially conscious of what has taken grip on them. Not to be forgiven, but neither to be sought out for vengeance as the deed is done and they didn't really do it freely and out of will or desire.
I am glad that you said this last part. I know that they are not to be blamed, that they are victims as well. I have known this for a long time, but it created so much tension for me because I thought that I ought to forgive - that forgiveness would be therapeutic. Yet, I never found myself really able to forgive. I am glad that someone who has endured worse than I can assure me that forgiveness isn't necessary, and that moving on is better.

edit: I will watch the videos later, thank you.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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For the record i'm a TI(targeted individual) but when i started doing research on this topic it led me to the Illuminati's method of mind control and such and then i read about the triggers and they too had a effect on me as well, so i know what you went through SmedleyBurlap i started noticing things i didn't before very similar to what you described.


I wasen't from a royal bloodline or went through what Getsmart did there are some differences between a targeted individual and a direct Illuminati victim or MK-Ultra survivor but there are also some similarities as well and in the end it's the same culprits doing it all TPTB.....



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Isn't it true that most of Europe is inter-related? If that's the case, then it is is also true that these so-called "Black Nobles" are related to most anyone and everyone in Europe, Australia, and America.

Getsmart,

I read through some of your posts in this thread. Not all of them because it's 11 freaking pages! It seems like you have had personal experience with these people and lived to tell about it. You seem pretty passionate about your cause and knowledgeable. Have you considered going public with your story? If not, why not?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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That can be disproven easily.

Google Henri, Grand Duke of luxembourg.

In His wikipedia profile you will see a documentation of his patrilineal background that goes to Robert, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, 613 CE!. Or look up Otto Von Habsburg, head of the house of lauraine-habsburg. His patrilineal ancestory can be documented even further back, to Aymes, count of metryle, 460 CE,

in each generation one of their descendants ruled. Ottos grandfather for instance was the holy roman emperor... Each generation has a leader of some sort; a count, duke, king, emperor, mayor etc. Theyre of noble families. And only the most elect of them are chosen to inherit the 'agenda' or 'great work' which these particular men have arrogated to themselves.

There most certainly IS an elite that only interbreeds with one another. It has less to do with preserving any genetic perfection than it has to do with power and a kinship between these families/branches...It goes back into Roman times and for all we know; even further back into ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, times - as the ruling classes in ancient mesopotamia.

Judaism for instance believes that Rome was founded by a particular ruling class from ancient Edom (modern day southern Jordan)...

The only real power is knowledge. Gold is simply an agreed upon asset. it looks nice; shiny, beautiful.... But the ones who established these currencies - whether it be barley, shells, or coins, they are the ones who set an enormous wall of ignorance between themselves and the lesser classes. Their drunk with power. They simply do not want to live happily, but want to live a CERTAIN way. A way that mimicks the animal kingdom for instance.
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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If they kept inter-marrying, wouldn't that make most of them genetically inferior due to inbreeding? This just flies in the face of known science. It's not that I don't believe you, its just that I'm wondering how their current offspring aren't walking around with 3 arms or 4 eyeballs, ya know?






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