There are certain irregularities in the statements you have made which I am afraid to say erode the main theme of this thread "establishing Nazis to
Palestinians". Let's take them up.
You have claimed origins of Islamic Jihad can be traced to Muslim Brotherhood.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
The origins of the Islamiic Jihad against America, Israel, "The West" and Jews in general can be traced back to the Muslim Brotherhood
However, a quick search displays the Primary and Secondry
goals of M.B (Muslim Brotherhood) as:
The main goals on mid-term as approved by the Executive office and the Shura Council are formulated in a 5-year action plan derived from
reinstatement of the caliphate and reunite the "dar el Islam".
Strengthening the internal structure
Recruitment and settlement of the Dawa'a
Energizing the organisations work
Energizing political work fronts (e.g. in civil political organisations)
Finance and Investment
Reviving Woman's activity
Political awareness to the members of the Group
Securing the group (To find out if they are being monitored, and if, how they can get rid of them)
Dawa'ah (the lecture/speech of religion)
Media (influencing of and infiltration in the media)
Taking advantage of human potentials (e.g. infiltration in education, civil organisations)
You see there is no mention of Islamic Jihad in their goals which you speak off. Anyway to further continue you secondly claim Yaseer Arafat was
member of M.B which is often parroted by Israeli blogs
of which both Palestinian Hero Arafat and Osama Bin Laden were members
However a quick search shows that is infact factually incorrect. Yaseer Arafat was never a member of Muslim Brotherhood.
During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Arafat left the University and, along with other Arabs, sought to enter Palestine to join Arab forces
fighting against Israeli troops. However, instead of joining the ranks of the Palestinian fedayeen, Arafat fought alongside the Muslim
Brotherhood, although he did not join the organization.
One more thing you stated incorrect or probably you did not wanted to share was that Osama Bin Laden was never a member of M.B. In the beginning
(studying at University) he was influenced by M.B. but after forming Al Qaeda he denounced Muslim Brotherhood.
While studying at university, Osama bin Laden claimed to have been influenced by the religious and political ideas of several professors with
strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood including both Sayyid Qutb and his brother Muhammad Qutb. However, once Al Qaeda was fully organized, they
denounced the Muslim Brotherhood's reform through nonviolence and accused them of "betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their 'jihad' in favour
of forming political parties and supporting modern state institutions"
and of which Adolf Hitler was an ally.
Please provide proof that Adolf Hitler was an ally of Muslim Brotherhood. After extensive search I have not been able to find any except this claim
being reiterated in Israeli - Jewish blogs and websites with no proof or links.
They all share the goal of the complete and total Extermination of Jews.
I have displayed above the goals of M.B which dispute you're statements. Next you claim
The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Wahabists.
This is again factually incorrect. M.B was not created in Saudi Arabia as you tried to portray through a imaginary link to Wahabism to it's creation.
It was founded in 1928 in Egypt by the schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna and had nothing to do with Wahabism at the time of it's creation
Establishment of the Muslim Brothers
It was to spread this message that Al-Banna launched the society of the Muslim Brothers in March 1928. At first, the society was only one of the
numerous small Islamic associations that existed at the time. Similar to those that Al-Banna himself had joined since he was 12, these associations
aimed to promote personal piety and engaged in charitable activities. By the late 1930s, it had established branches in every Egyptian
Let's go to you're next statement on claiming Wahabism goal is to create a worldwide empire
Its goal is a worldwide Empire under Sharia Law.
Here is the link to Beliefs
of Wahabi sect. It does not say anywhere about creating a
worldwide empire governed by Sharia law. I hope you were not just making it up. Let's move forward to more of you're statements
According to the pan-arabic doctrine of the Muslim Brotherhood, the entire Middle East must be completely free of any non-muslims. Hence
Zionists (Jewish Settlers) must be exterminated.
I have already posted the goals of M.B above and nowhere it says anything about freeing entire Middle East of non-muslims. If you could have included
a link to such a "pan-arabic doctrine" it would be easy to sift through.
It was members of the Muslim Brotherhood that founded the Hamas, the Hezbollah, the Islami Jihad and Al Qaeda. They can all be traced
back to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Wrong! they cannot all be traced back to M.B specially not Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda. You see as I have demonstrated above in my post Al Qaeda
denounced M.B and did not share their beliefs with M.B. Again you're statements are completely incorrect in claiming Hezbollah was founded by Muslim
Brotherhood as the sources below demonstrated
Hezbollah originated within the Shia block of Lebanon society, which has lived there for more than a millennium. According to a United States
Central Intelligence Agency estimate they include 41 percent of Lebanon population. After Lebanon gained its independence on November 22, 1943 and by
the time French army withdrew its soldiers from Lebanon in 1946, the Lebanese National Pact, which is a notional and unofficial understanding, had
allocated the seat of Speaker of the Parliament to the Shia in recognition of demographic and political importance, but they remained socially and
Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.
Who are Hezbollah? (BBC)
Hezbollah - or the Party of God - is a powerful political and military organisation in Lebanon made up mainly of Shia Muslims. It emerged with
financial backing from Iran in the early 1980s and began a struggle to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.
Let's view this Muslim Nazi flag of WWII you speak of.
A muslim-nazi Flag of WWII
Contrary to the Israeli blogs that is not the actual flag. Here is another version of the same flag which is equally false..pay special attention to
the Nazi division mentioned in the image
Upon searching about the Hanzar division I found out they were actually a Nazi division of Croatian forces- real name - 13th Waffen Mountain Division
of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian).
The real flag used by 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar was this
The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was one of the thirty-eight divisions fielded as part of the Waffen-SS
during World War II. Its recruits were composed of Bosnian Muslims (today Muslim Bosniaks) and Croatian Catholics. The Handschar
division was a mountain infantry formation, the equivalent of the German "Gebirgsjäger" (Mountain troops) units. It was used to conduct operations
against Yugoslav Partisans in Bosnia and the Independent State of Croatia from February to September 1944.
I understand it's profitable for Israeli interest to portray this group was solely composed by Muslims but it's not true. Catholics were part of this
group too and amazing thing is it had nothing to do with Middle East or Palestine in general. This group was in Bosnia which is not in Middle East
much likely in Palestine.
One of the most influential leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood was Amin Al-Husseini.
Again incorrect information. Amin Al-Husseini correct name Amin al-Husayni was never a leader of Muslim Brotherhood. Here is his complete biography
and nowhere it is mentioned he was leader of Muslim Brotherhood or even associated with it.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni
The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazi Party of Germany shared the common goal of Exterminating Jews.
Wrong again as proven above.
Muslim Brotherhood member Abdul Gamal Nasser (who would later become President of Egypt),
Incorrect information as Gamal Abdel Nasser (correct name) was never a member of Muslim Brotherhood. The correct information is
He sent emissaries to forge an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in October 1948, but soon concluded that the agenda of the Brotherhood was
not a nationalist one like his. From then on, he would take measures protecting his activities from the influence of their organization.
Infact as I read more in the link and the events unfold it turns out Abdel Nasser and Muslim Brotherhood went onto opposite ends (from above link).
founded a socialist Party called "Young Egypt", modelled after the Nazi-Party.
Incorrect information. This party was not founded by Gamal Abdel Nasser as you have claimed but was founded by someone named Ahmed Husayn.
The party was formed October 1933 by its leader Ahmed Husayn.
The slogan of Young Egypt was the same as Hitlers: "One Folk, One Party, One Leader".
I could not find their slogan mentioned anywhere in the link but I did found their platform (above link).
The Party platform calls for:
*Establishing a parliamentary/presidential ruling system.
*Enhancing the Egyptian-Arab ties.
*Achieving integration with African countries.
*Adopting non-alignment policies[clarification needed].
*Establishing the so-called socialist Islamic economic system and boosting the role of the private sector.
The Party & legislative elections The Party fielded seven candidates to run for the 2000 legislative elections.
And it seems it was abolished in 1953
Like all Egyptian political parties, it was abolished in January 1953, after the Free Officers, led by General Muhammad Naguib, seized power from the
monarchy of King Farouk.
This is a picture of Al-Husseini checking out Muslim SS-Troops:
Don't you mean the Muslim and Catholic troops in 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) as shown above. You are wrong in
claiming the division was named Muslim SS-Troops.
As the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and just having returned from Germany after the War,
As proven above Al-Husseini was not leader of M.B but anyway let's continue
Al-Husseini co-founded the Arab League, which inteded to follow the original Vision of Wahabists for one pan-arabic Empire under Sharia Law.
Actually the Arab League was founded by 6 countries and their aim is stated below
It was formed in Cairo on 22 March 1945 with six members: Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan (renamed Jordan after 1946), Lebanon, Saudi Arabia,
and Syria. Yemen joined as a member on 5 May 1945. The Arab League currently has 22 members and four observers. The main goal of the
league is to "draw closer the relations between member States and co-ordinate collaboration between them, to safeguard their independence and
sovereignty, and to consider in a general way the affairs and interests of the Arab countries."
Nowhere does their main goal state or even suggest "one pan-arabic Empire under Sharia Law"
Under guidance of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Pan-Arabic plan, settlers only started to move to Israel when it became clear that Jews were
moving back there. "Palestinians" are an invention of the Muslim Brotherhood, loosely based on the biblical "Philistine" that was in the area that is
now called Gaza-Strip. There is no such thing as "Palestinians". The people that are today known as "Palestinians" moved in from Egypt, Jordan,
Lebanon and Syria to fight the Holy-War (Jihad) against Jews. A part of this "Holy War" is the dissemination of "conspiracy-theories" about Jews in
schools, in the media and the Internet. These theories are meant to portray Jews as evil perpetrators and themselves as victims. A brief look at this
map reveals that Muslims are not as helpless and victimized as generally believed:
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Their goal was not to have a Palestinian State, but to destroy Jews whereever
I applaud you're imagination and creativity but unfortunately you lack facts.
Hence Husseini, as President of the Arab League, commanded: "I declare Holy War my Muslim Brothers! Murder the Jews!".
A little research shows that Al Husseini was never the President of Arab League. Infact there are only Secretaries-General who head the Arab League
Abdul Rahman Azzam 1945 to 1952
Abdul Khalek Hassouna 1952 to 1972
Mahmoud Riad 1972 to 1979
Chedli Klibi 1979 to 1990
Ahmad Esmat Abd al Meguid 1991 to 2001
Amr Moussa 2001 to date
On the contrary the Arab League blocked recruitment to al-Husayni's forces in the 1948 Palestinian War.
The Arab League blocked recruitment to al-Husayni's forces -- which collapsed following the death of one of his most charismatic
commanders, Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni, on April 8
Contrary to the misinformed publics opinion, it is not the goal of the Hamas-Palestinians to have a Palestinian nation (they have been given
dozens of chances to have their own nation), but to destroy Israel.
I just visited the official website of Hamas and they have stated their mission which contradicts you're statements of not wanting a Palestinian
Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (EQB) was established in the midst of the Palestinian Intifada (1987-1994) against the Zionist occupation. Established at
the height of the occupation crackdown against popular and armed resistance, EQB considers its effort as part of the resistance movement against the
Zionist occupation of Palestinian lands, which has been ongoing since the British occupation. In light of this understanding, EQB aims: “To
contribute in the effort of liberating Palestine and restoring the rights of the Palestinian people under the sacred Islamic teachings of the Holy
Quran, the Sunna (traditions) of Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and the traditions of Muslims rulers and scholars noted
for their piety and dedication.”
For that to happen, the Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades works to:
· Evoke the spirit of Jihad (resistance) amongst Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims;
· Defend Palestinians and their land against the Zionist occupation and its aggression;
· Liberate Palestinians and the land usurped by the Zionist occupation forces and settlers.
People keep asking "Why is this conflict going on for so long? Why cant any of the mediators help? Why is no solution found?". The answer is,
that the Muslim Brotherhood does not want any solution than Hitlers "Final Solution". These people are therefore not only the enemy of Israel and
America, but also the enemy of all non-extremist muslims.
The wars against Israel were not declared by single nations, they were declared by the Arab-League, i.e. by Pan-Arabic Islamofascism. Lebanons wars
against Israel (Lebanon was a multi-religious, democratic and open society before the Muslim Brotherhood took over), Egypts wars against Israel,
Syrias Wars against Israel, Jordans wars against Israel were all orchestrated by the Arab-League (Wahabiists of the Muslim Brotherhood).
In 1964 the Arab League solidified the existence of a "Palestinian" people by founding the marxist "Palestinian Liberation Organisation" (PLO). The
fact that it was founded 15 years after Israel was created, reveals the artificial nature of the overall "conflict". Its stated goal was the
"Liberation of the Palestinian people through armed struggle".
As I mentioned above you're creativity and imagination to construct events and statements is admirable but they grossly lack in facts, objectivity and
have tendency to misconstrue events either thru motivation or by ignorance.
In 1987 The Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas, another terrorist organization. From the Hamas charter:
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The
stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree)
would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.
It is commendable you finally used a source in you're complete post but at the same time it's sad you completely skipped a line just above you're
words from you're own source
According to academic Esther Webman, antisemitism is not the main tenet of Hamas ideology, although antisemitic rhetoric is frequent and
intense in Hamas leaflets. The leaflets generally do not differentiate between Jews and Zionists. In other Hamas publications and in interviews with
its leaders attempts at this differentiation have been made. In 2009 representatives of the small Jewish sect Neturei Karta met with Hamas
leader Ismail Haniya in Gaza, who stated that he held nothing against Jews but only against the state of Israel.
Iranian leader Ahmadinejad is known for his Holocaust-Denial and his financial backing of both Hamas, Hezbollah and other "freedom
Actually the Iranian leader Ahmadinejad has not denied the Holocaust but he has questioned some aspects of Holocaust specially the 6 million part.
The Hamas share an insanity similar to Nazis in that they have no qualms sending out innocent children as suicide bombers, calling them
"freedom fighters for Allah".
Two words: 
In connection with the U.S. war against Soviet Communism in Afghanistan, the CIA temporarily forges an alliance with
Wahabists/Muslim-Brotherhood members such as Osama bin Laden.
Proven above OBL denounced M.B and was not a member of M.B
Israel is the only open and democratic society of the Middle East
Lol no it is not even close to democracy. Israel was specially founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship.
Here is a long list of reasons (ATS thread) why Israel is not a democracy
Can Israel Dscriminate against Israeli's?
The reason the "Palestinians" rejected the U.N. proposals AND the Oslo proposals which would have given them 97% of what they claimed they
wanted + Jerusalem as their capital, is because they do not actually want "peace" or two nations.
Perhaps it had to so something with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin opposed creating full fledged Palestinian state.
They want "A Palestinian Nation from Jordan to the Sea" This can only be achieved by following through with Hitlers plan to exteriminate all
On the contrary it was Israel's first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and President of World Jewish Congress who famously stated goals of Israel to
first occupy a small land in (then Palestine) and later gain control over all land.
Erect a Jewish State at once, even if it is not in the whole of the land. The rest will come in the course of time.
After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state [..]we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of
Ben-Gurion further mentions his (Israel's) intention
"It is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion.
I enjoyed reading you're imaginative piece of "short story" which was beautifully "created" but alas the facts beat you to it. Perhaps it would have
helped you're "cause" to use facts instead of wrongly placed opinions picked up from Israeli blogs. Please don't be disheartened in the face of facts,
I applaud you're creativity skills and I certainly hope you will pursue you're career in story telling or maybe someday will go on to make movies. I
think with time you're literature skills will improve with time and maybe someday you will make a new thread in which we won't be able to discern
truth from fiction.
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