Can someone explain to me what the Tea Party movement actually is

The Tea party is just the wolf putting on a different or new clothing to mask the fact that they are still, just like most republican conservative philosophy, the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

They ruined the American economy under Herbert Hoover in the early thirties,
Ronald Reagan in the eighties, and George Bush in 2007 with the same old republican ideas of cutting taxes for the rich and neglecting the nations overall interests for the interests of the few . . . . And they will try to do it again under the Tea Party philosophy if they get enough of them elected.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Tell me SG, when was the last time a 3rd party had a chance to gain seats.

Also, the only way to place candidates now is to use one of the two parties.

That is how the progressive/communists tookover the Democrat party.

The Democrat party of old is gone, it has been hijacked and infiltrated by the progressive/communists.

And do not ATTEMPT to deny it, I will use their own words to show the truth.

Praise Mao!

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by witness63

 

Please tell me you think that big banks, monopolies and cartels in bed with the governments and the politicians, are not NOW in control. Please explain to me the BAILING out of all the mega banks and corporations at the detriment to smaller businesses and taxpayers. PLEASE Mr. All knowing.

Oh the absolute HUMOR in someone so righteous in their indignation,that cannot see the fallacy with this VERY statement.

I mean break away from the propaganda for ONE SECOND and realize what you JUST SAID HERE.

Oh well.

I don't THINK that Wall Street and big monopolies are in control of the government: I KNOW they are. They have been for a very long time. Anyone who can't see that at this late date is hopelessly blind and can't see evidence that's right in front of their face.


How else do you think they got trillions out of Congress and the Federal Reserve? Did they do it just by asking nicely? It couldn't be more obvious that they are running the show in Washington. A two-year could see it at this point.

How do you think the big insurance companies got this mandate passed so that people now have to buy private health insurance from them at whatever prices they care to charge? Another classic rip off that the insurance companies have tried to pass for years. Massachusetts was their test case and Romney was their man in that case, but now it turns out that Obama was their man as well.

Well, I should have expected that as soon as he surrounded himself with all those Clinton people: that's when I knew the game was up and we'd been had, just like we were with Clinton. Why did the business interests back Clinton at all in the 1990s, except to get things like NAFTA and WTO passed, and have a bunch of the same Wall Street types running the Treasury and Federal Reserve?


In any case, Republican voters never figure any of this out. They can't even see it when it's happening right in front of them. They refuse to see it. They don't even seem to notice that the same people from the same big banks and corporations run the government no matter which party is in power--it's all Coke vs. Pepsi.

Somehow, they think that their party is different and that it's not being funded by these very same corporate interests.

I have no idea how they could possibly think that, but they do.

Double post

I was asked the same question recently. As we get closer to the election the media and TPTB want to paint the people in the Tea Party as GOP racists out of fear. They are desperate to change the message away from smaller government and more accountable government. The Tea Party is like Xerox. Anyone against the federal government is being attacked and placed in to the Tea Party. A different group Get Out of Our House (goooh.com) is working to unseat every member of congress and replace them with regular people.

I was a Republican mostly because I was against the Democrat social agenda. Now I don't care about social issues and I only care about unseating congress, unseating professional politicians, reducing the size and power of the federal government and trying to steer this country away from fascism. I'll look at each person individually but I won't vote for a party platform, I will vote for anyone that expresses the same intent to unseat the federal establishment and isn't a millionaire or lawyer. The enemy of the government is regular people so I intend to vote for regular people.

It isn't a group of Republicans - a lot of Republicans were anti-federal power at the start of this so its ranks are majority Republicans but there are a lot of Democrats and independents in the movement as well. If you support massive federal powers and control then you won't be part of the movement. It basically comes down to ever increasing control - and I can tell you from experience that after a generation no one will question the loss of freedoms it will be accepted. We have an opportunity to reverse course right now or lose the battle out right.

reply to post by witness63


So, what are saying, attack the Tea Party message no matter what.

Are you saying the 10 people kicked to the curb by the TPM was implemented by the Republicans or their masters?

So, if I go to YOUR posts I will not find ANY comments pushing the Democrats? I will go now and look.

edit to add- I get it, you writing seems to be marxist. It is not that you think the Dems are doing okay, you wish they would implement marxism?

Now I get your position. Now that I get where you are coming from, explains your hatred for the movement.

You believe everyone should be controlled by a totalitarian state.
You also stated that free marketers are fascists. I do not get where reading marx could give you that impression, he always said marxism could ever compete with capitalism.

Anyway, not I know your position. It is always nice to know that.

I am a Constitutional Libertarian that believes in Free Markets based on the tenet of a sound currency.

You are a?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


My point is that those 10 new politicians will just conform to the corruption of the system. It wont change anything for the better. Its really not hard to see it happens at every election. A party comes out with the supposed solutions to the problems we face, the people buy it, they get voted in and things get worse for the middle class.

Im not bitching by the way, im just pointing out the obvious.

Are you people still discussing the the Republican/Democrat paradigm of the Tea Party? This is the brainwashing I'm alluding too. You have a sickness that you must awaken from.

I speak to you when I say that someone in your political establishment, I will not name him, currently polls higher with independents than he does within his own party.

Meditate on this my friends.

Its a reference to a patriotic american act way back in the day, just do a bit of research on american history and you'll figure it all out

Why the Republican party?
Even though this question has not been directly asked, I thought some insight would bring the connection into perspective. It is a rather simple question and answer. When you shame a Republican politician for doing something wrong, they usually become withdrawn and humbled into submission. If a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, they act like as though it is business as usual. One party becomes withdrawn and regroups, the other part becomes very activist in nature.

At this point in the political cycle, the Republican party is weak enough to be redefined. So, the Tea-Party (Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents) took advantage of the political party's weakness; thus, the opportunity to mold it into a more 'Libertarian' group presented itself.

What the Democrats and Republicans fear is that the Tea-Party will breakdown and reform both parties. Regardless about what happens on November 2nd, the next party to be restructured are the Democrats. Many established Democrats are already being tossed out, so that other more moralistic Democrats will take their place.

Establishment versus Noobies.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by witness63

 

So, what are saying, attack the Tea Party message no matter what.

Are you saying the 10 people kicked to the curb by the TPM was implemented by the Republicans or their masters?

So, if I go to YOUR posts I will not find ANY comments pushing the Democrats? I will go now and look.

edit to add- I get it, you writing seems to be marxist. It is not that you think the Dems are doing okay, you wish they would implement marxism?

Now I get your position. Now that I get where you are coming from, explains your hatred for the movement.

You believe everyone should be controlled by a totalitarian state.
You also stated that free marketers are fascists. I do not get where reading marx could give you that impression, he always said marxism could ever compete with capitalism.

Anyway, not I know your position. It is always nice to know that.

I am a Constitutional Libertarian that believes in Free Markets based on the tenet of a sound currency.

You are a?

edit on 26-9-2010 by saltheart foamfollower because: (no reason given)

No, I'm not a totalitarian. I am NCL (Non-Communist Left) and have always been anti-fascist and anti-Stalinist.

It's just that I don't think "free market capitalism" has even existed since about 1890 or so, when Wall Street and the big corporate monopolies took over the economy and both political parties. It's a myth. These big capitalists really control the governmnet, and the events of the last two years prove it.

If people can't see that by now then they never will.

I would prefer that the US had a social democratic or labor party, not the two corrupt and dishonest parties that we have today. That's why I usually register Green or independent.

I am going to vote against the Republicans this year not out of any great love for the Dems, but because the Republicans seem to have hit the bottom of the barrel in running dumbed-down candidates.

And yes, they are all being funded by Karl Rove and his billionaire's club.

Originally posted by witness63
I am going to vote against the Republicans this year not out of any great love for the Dems, but because the Republicans seem to have hit the bottom of the barrel in running dumbed-down candidates.

This right here is what's wrong with this country and is the exact reason why we are where we are today. People voting against someone instead of voting for someone. For the love of all that's holy, if you can't find someone to vote for don't vote at all. That would be a heck of a lot better for the rest of us than someone wasting a vote just to vote against the guy they hate the most.

They're a group of people who are extremely bitter McCain lost the election. They consist of racist, homophobic, brainwashed, and hypocritical Conservatives.

They claim Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Nazi/Fascist. They can't seem to stick with one so they decided he's all of those for some illogical reasoning.

They claim Obama wasn't born in this country when he really was.

They claim Obama is a Muslim when he's not and even if he was, it shows you these people are religiously intolerant and wouldn't stand for someone who doesn't fit their religious ideologies as President of the United States.

When a Republican gets into office, the Tea Party will disperse. They will vanish and all of them will live happily until another Democrat gets back in. Then they'll make up the same BS they did about Obama.

And they follow Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. Enough said.

That is what the Tea Party is. It isn't a movement either, a movement has a goal. These people just stand around bickering about how they hate having a black guy as President.

Oh and some try to claim the TP is a third party...but it's not. Get over it.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


There is nothing to say but great post!

I wanted to add OP, you may wonder why a movement that calls for more freedom and a less intrusive government would have so many detractors. Well, for one thing, the establishment in both parties here in the states do not want a new kid on the block, even less the governed telling the governors what to do.

To explain better the reasoning of those here decrying such a movement, look no further than the Traditional Monkey analogy.


It all started with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, a banana was hung on a string and a set of stairs was placed under it. Before long, a monkey went to the stairs and started to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touched the stairs, all of the other monkeys were sprayed with cold water. After a while, another monkey made an attempt with the same result - all the other monkeys were sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, anytime another monkey tried to climb the stairs, the other monkeys tried to prevent it.

After a couple of days, the cold water was removed. One monkey was removed from the cage and replaced with a new one. The new monkey saw the banana and wanted to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attacked him. After another attempt and attack, he knew that if he tried to climb the stairs, he would be assaulted.

Next, another of the original five monkeys was removed and replaced it with a new one. The newcomer went to the stairs and was attacked. The previous newcomer took part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, a third original monkey was replaced with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey took to the stairs, he was attacked. Most of the monkeys that were beating him had no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they were participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys had ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approached the stairs to try for the banana.
Why not?

Because as far as they know, that's the way it's always been done around here.
And that, is how most of our rituals and customs began.

The monkeys do not want anyone to get the banana (freedom), because they are just a bunch of trained monkeys.

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by davespanners

 

Tea-Party movement is a massive, diverse, and organized group of individuals who seek: (1) lower taxes, (2) free markets, (3) less government and less government spending, (4) removal of mandates on citizens, (5) prevent government from bailing out corporations, (6) re-establishment of constitutional law, (7) government accountability, (8) immigration law enforcement, (9) removal of politically correct 'cultural' hyphens, (10) re-establishment of our leadership in the word, (11) humble acknowledgment of our country's exceptionalism, (11) promoting of tolerance, (12) getting the government to work for the people, (13) revival of personal responsibility, and (13) revival of the morals in which the United States were built upon.

Just to name a few.

edit on 26-9-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Not to mention the amount of pressure that the Tea Party are placing on ALL politicians to do the damn job that they were/are required to do and represent the flippin PEOPLE!! I ask to the MANY Democrats (Bleeding Heart Liberals/Marxists)....a name that they are no longer even going by because of its direct association with utter and complete FAILURE and the destruction of America through increasing racial tensions (when we were actually headed towards BETTER racial understandings...of course something that THEY do not want to ever have happen!), collapsing economy, unemployment that is in strong competition with the 1929-1933 Great Depression if not having surpassing it in many ways already as it is hard to tell due to stimulus package after stimulus package all meant to CREATE AND MAINTAIN THE ILLUSION that the economy isn't as bad as it really is. Pffft...when that time comes where China (which there are actually a few other countries in addition to China, China simply being the LARGEST holder of our cash, that bought a large part of our debt, thus owning large parts of freaking AMERICA!!), but when that time comes where those countries want to collect and cash in...it will be then that this illusion will be exposed.

Hmmm....let me see what else...Oboooomacare, killed NASA returning to the moon (and basically most of NASA in itself), that crazy crackhead Pelosi saying that "We need to continue extending unemployment in order to....create more JOBS" ?!?!?, a president that BOWS TO THE SAUDI KING and then freaking apologizes for America all over the world, wants to have the ability and power to implement an "internet kill switch", a president that usurped his position in that he was born in Kenya, Africa, who wants an amnesty immigration policy no matter at what cost or what the American public wants...packaged up as "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"...a word that I am getting sick and tired of hearing in this country...COMPREHENSIVE...what in the hell is that supposed to mean anyways?!?! Ain't nothing need to be called comprehensive...just do the damn job that you were expected to do and uphold the flippin law!!! Oh and speaking of immigration/cultural and racial division/tension, how about instead of answering the cries for help with Arizona's HUGE illegal immigration problems...his first action was it instead SUE ARIZONA!!

This administration has spent more time acknowledging/defending the "Ground Zero Mosque" Muslims and Islam then it has addressing the MANY MANY other issues/problems that Americans are facing on a daily basis!!! Man I have enough material/examples of how this liberal/Marxist/communist administration/party that I could literally type for 2 more hours listing them all!! Talk, talk, talk, and lies, lies, lies is ALL that we have gotten from this administration. At least the TEA PARTY is TRYING to salvage what was once a great country by coming up with ideas, putting pressure and holding those accountable, and most importantly....having great influence on those that have the job of representing the people. A perfect example??

DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THE GOP CAME UP WITH THEIR PLEDGE TO AMERICA ON THEIR OWN?!?! Man hells no! THAT was a perfect representation of the overwhelming influence that the TEA PARTY is exerting over BOTH SIDES OF POLITICAL PARTIES!!! Who did we have to keep this administration in check when they took over and immediately went to work in dismantling this country while doing everything humanly possible in order to destroy the middle class?!? Apparently we had no one....errr wait my bad, they had ACORN for that purpose right?!? You know the one that was all about defrauding the American taxpayer by assisting a PIMP AND HIS HOES to avoid paying taxes as well as how to scam even more money from Americans!!

So we got a "GOP Pledge" out of things so far....hey at least it is done IN WRITING that outlines EACH AND EVERY stance that they agreed to uphold as well as pledged to combat and shoot down all of the CRIMINAL CORRUPT bills/laws that had been shoved down our freaking throats by this administration/liberal communist/terrorist party!! HEY...ITS A START AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!!! It will be this TEA PARTY THAT SAVES THIS COUNTRY IN THE END!! Ask yourselves....what have YOU DONE to right this ship around?!? The wife and I's next Tea Party event is this October 8th, 2010 where we were asked and have volunteered to assist by working the doors/donations. And yea...unfortunately I fit the hillbilly/redneck profile as an aerospace test engineer (which I will just leave at that as there is no sense expanding further...I made my point).

So I ask you all....are you willing to ask yourself, it's not what your country can do for YOU, but rather what YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY!!

JFK (one of the greatest U.S. Presidents we as a nation have ever had...and oh yea he was a Democrat. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!)

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


I almost didn't tell you how great that was. I was afraid of a blast of cold water.

The TEA Party was formed as part of a revolt to Bush's economic policies. They were a rag tag group of Libertarians and Republicans who didn't sign up for Neo-Con policies, and people who understand economics. Since the election of Obama, and the continuation of Bush policies in his administration, the TEA Party has grown exponentially.

The Neo-Cons hate them because they're not looking for the old Bush way. Many of us are anti-war, anti-foreign "aid", anti-entitlement, pro-free market economics. Many of us advocate ending the Federal Reserve system, and the welfare system that has turned into a giveaway program for people who refuse to work...Meanwhile people who actually need the help get crowded out.

The Progressive/Liberal Left hates the TEA Party for much of the same reason.

Honest Liberals, honest Conservatives, and everyone else who makes up the middle are either tea party supporters, or people who don't support the TEA Party but aren't afraid of us or out to spread fear about us. I'm a Constitutionalist Libertarian, I don't follow the Republican party line, most liberals and conservatives seem to like me though...

What is the tea party? It is a collection of individuals who seek maximum personal freedom and minimal government presence. Are we Conservative? Depends on what you mean by that....We are fiscal Conservatives. I don't know any one in my local TEA Party organization who are Conservative ideologues like Karl-effing-Rove.

There are drawbacks to the TEA Party, however. I believe that people like Sarah Palin are Neo-Con agents, although her active role in getting unknown tea party members elected is beginning to change my mind a little. Do I like Glenn Beck? Sure, when he's talking about economics or history...The uber religious stuff I can do without though..But to each their own. Faith is important to many of us and for many of us it is what guides us.

I don't like where some of the funding is coming from, I also don't like some of the lack of perspective on Constitutional issues...But these are things you get when you have a large loose-nit movement, all with different ways of doing things. No I don't believe everything I see on Fox effing news...I remember the last ten years, and I try to keep that in perspective. I'm not racist....I'm one of those non-existent Spanish-speaking members of the TEA Party you never hear about...And when you do its to tell you I don't actually exist...Like being a black TEA Partier...There's tons of them....But don't clue the media in on it, it's not convenient.

I'm not anti-gay, I'm for gay-marriage, ending "don't ask don't tell" I'm for legalizing pot, cutting down the enormity of our military budget..So forth and so on...Oh, and I supported Obama.

There's a lot more to this movement that my opinion of it. Both good an bad. But in my experience there has been more good spread around than vitriol and evil.

Bill Clinton says that the Tea Party-er's are angry Americans who feel let down by the government. But that it's leaders who advocate far-right ideas (constitutionalism) want to destroy America.

I identify with the Tea Party some of the time, but am not a member. I don't support them or attend anything. I just felt as if Clinton, and the MSM in general were trying to attach valid constitutional concepts to far-right radicals in the Tea Party (tainting them).