Originally posted by Mr Mask
The OP has plainly stated he is bored with people looking for proof as if a wiser man would accept the "zero proof" we have now as hard evidence of factual alien visitors...
Sorry...it doesn't work that way.

Oh but it DOES work that way..

Look at religion for the past 2000 years..
Look at where Sitchin has taken us...

I can accept the alien believer saying "I personally believe, but admit there are NO facts proving my theories as of yet".

Eye witnesses don't count?

Fran, I would give you are star and flag...but this was quite a baseless rant when you get down to it. Not trying to sound like an a-hole, as I believe our "gods" (i.e. Aliens) will be returning, probably around 2012 for one reason or another...but as I'm saying, we need to show people the truth, not proclaim it with no proof. I do believe the public media is showing a hell of a lot more to do with Aliens and disclosure these days, you have to be blind not to see, and their attitude towards the subject has shifted vastly in the last year or so, they treat the subject much more seriously at present. Let me run this by you though...I'm thinking of making a thread which connects Aliens to our ancient past, I'm thinking I need to cover these things:

Ancient Structures
Ancient Devices
Ancient Texts
Ancient Maps
Ancient Art

Can you think of anything else I should cover?

Originally posted by franspeakfree

how many times have you thought about a particular theme only to find that its being discussed on a radio program that you just so happened to switch on?

None at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that very long post seems to be comprised of pure speculation.
Am I wrong to want cold, hard provable facts?

Originally posted by franspeakfree
The LHC is capabale of creating wormholes can we all agree on this?

Nope. If it can thats news to me.

Originally posted by zorgon
Oh but it DOES work that way..

Zorgon, as a fan of your work on ATS, I take no pleasure in saying- "no...it does not".

Look at religion for the past 2000 years..

Religion doesn't work with facts...heck, most of it is deadly afraid of such things as facts or proof.

Look at where Sitchin has taken us...

Another fraud and snake oil's salesman...He is as allergic to facts as overly religious types are.

Eye witnesses don't count?

Of course they do...but not as factual proof of anything.

I have tried to be very polite here since I am enjoying the conversation, so please do not take this as a hostile attack.

I am laying down the most obvious fact we should all admit to.

Nobody here has any proof of aliens visiting earth. Even if you saw a strange glowing craft land in your yard and then take off again, you still have no factual proof the craft was alien.

I've mentioned a few times in some of these UFO threads what my mother and another witness saw in the early 60s, and also have heard the detailed stories of many folks in my town who also saw unexplainable things in the sky around those handful of years...I have no doubt in my mind they saw something...my mother even saw it close up (a guessed distance of 150 feet away)...but a logical mind MUST admit that even that story (even if it was filmed!) still proves nothing.

At best...it would prove someone saw something...

And to the OP-

I'm sorry if you think I cherry picked your post for something to slam...I did not. I was making reference to what I assume the bare bones of your post was.

"you speculating and saying a theory of your own is a fact".

I'm sorry...you can't do that and not be called out on it.

Like how you say Stargate is based on some UFO facts being hidden from us. Did you know the writers of that show are self admitted "huge fans" of conspiracy and UFO stories? Are you aware there has been countless Stargate-ish stories in written fiction dating as back to the early 50s?

People need to stop seeing reused stories/plots as something more "serious" then what it actually is- "marketing".

Am I saying that there is no chance of it being a show based on secrets the writers and producers know by talking to insiders of secret government agencies? No...I can't say I know "anything like that" for a fact either way.

I am very careful with what I say is fact or not. It is the reason you won't see me creating threads where I tell 6.8 billion humans on earth that "aliens are coming 100% factually for real".

I think ATS would benefit from more people understanding the difference between "guessing and imagining" verses "real proof or fact".

FACT is-

"you do not know anything about aliens or visitors to earth".

Nor do any of you have real factual proof or insight to the real truth behind the phenomena of UFOs.

Heck, even calling UFOs anything but "unidentified" is making a foolish jump in logic.

The second you call a UFO an alien craft, you have set your "good word" adrift in a sea of speculation and guess work.

I support those of you looking for REAL TRUTH...and heck, I TRUST my mother's word on what she saw...but we should all be more careful with what we tell our peers is fact or not...that is just good practice and respectful to the mission of denying ignorance together.

Just my thoughts.

Hi Frank,

I support your theory about a wormhole. I think that the LHC is capable of producing that.

I also think that wormholes do excist in space and that they could actualy be a some kind of stargate in the universe.

I support the theory of Stepthen Hawkings wo say's that if you could travel through a black hole then you are actualy travelin through a wormhole. At the end of that wormhole you exit it through a 'whitehole' The theory is that by doing this you are now in another universe or dimension. I think that the universe actualy looks like this, there could well be around 10 dimensions.

One last post to clear something up-

I am not someone who thinks aliens are impossible or that all UFOs are stories created by hoaxers or crazies.

I am just not one of the sky-zealots who throws away the scientific method when dealing with the phenomena.

If you begin speculating, I begin poking...plain and simply. I'm not stupid or slow and can tell "speculation" from proof. I just think more people in this forum need to be clear where they are "speculating" and where they are "resting on facts".

Its all I ask, really...