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They Are Coming - Are You Ready For Disclosure?

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Very well written..Sort of a "cruel to be kind" post..

Back to gravity..Quick question...

Phage was saying in another thread that gravity relates to size, not mass..

So where would a black hole fit in..It's supposed to be a condensed star so has little size but great mass and immense gravity...




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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Personally, although part of me is all for disclosure, the logical side of me is screaming NO!!!!

Why?

Think about it. There is a REASON both parties want the secret kept. To suddenly disclose, means that one (or both) parties now have a reason to come forward...which means something would have changed. Chances are much greater (given the secrecy of the past 60 or so years) that this "change" is not a "good" thing, and that we won't like the reason for disclosure....so maybe the status quo isn't such a bad thing?

I just think that if aliens really wanted to help us, they wouldn't be skulking about in secret for half a century or more....so if they come out, it likely isn't going to be all sunshine and rainbows..... Of course, I really hope I'm wrong.

As for all of this tech talk....how many times in the past have we seen it said "not in our lifetime", etc.? (only to have some joker come along and invent the very thing 10 years later?). Heck, when I was in middle school, the idea that we could carry a phone in our pocket sounded like something right out of Star Trek, and yet I use one every day now...without even thinking about it. All too often I think we highly underestimate ourselves.

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree
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I have borrowed this information from one of my favourite threads, I believe it would be in your best interest to read it.



Are you limiting another person's sphere of knowledge based on your pre-existing belief on these issues?

Example: If a high ranking government official comes out and says he has first hand knowledge that these things exist, do you limit what he/she can know based on your pre-existing belief on these issues?

If a person you know to be credible comes to you and says they were visited by these beings and this person has never been known to make up stories, do you say these things could not have happened based on your personal belief about these issues? Are you saying that your friend couldn't know and experience these things based on what you believe?

If so, how is this logical? Are you saying that nobody can know about these things because you believe these things don't or can't exist?


Ok fran...I read it...

How was that in my best interests?

Please explain...

I never said I didn't believe in aliens, UFOs, or anything of the sort...

I simply said you are making jumps to conclusions based on silly movies and a handful of reports from sources that are either laughable (at best) or "queer" (no, not that kind)...not "science".

You see, I believe in aliens...but I don't go telling people they are here, or coming, or that some random peice of equipment is actually a star base or some death lazer to kill ET...

Because that would be me speculating...and horribly doing so, may I add.

I will make it bold for you to understand-

Your title speaks as if FACTS are standing on ET coming here SOON...and the only FACT IS that you have no proof or even a simple idea on the sciences/technologies you are insisting as evidence of your "story". You are basically quoting sci-fi movies and the likes of David Icke, all the while acting like "only the idiots can't see it"...

Sorry...it is very apparent that you are hardly within your realm of expertise when you delve into the crazy whirling quagmire known to us all as "real science".

I'm not saying you are wrong...or right...

But I AM SAYING, that if you turn out to be right about aliens coming here, it would be because you made a lucky guess, since all you have shared thus far shows you are not even doing real research or even paying "slight" attention to all the scientific sources you are calling "evidence".

You are taking real science and running down the hall with it like a kid with scissors...screaming "look at me!!! look at me!!! I know the secret!!! Only meeeeee!!!"

Sorry...I've been following most of these subjects you speak of, for decades...and I can tell you, you are hardly up to speed with "science of the day".

MM






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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree
I want us so desperately to extend beyond this 'proof' barrier, if we can see past this perhaps we can start to join the dots alot easier,


Wow.

Just look at that sentence and diagram it...do you see the giant screaming hole in that logic?

Imagine a court case where your freedom was on the line...and then someone says that against you!

Wow...incredible...I think I am done here.

Enjoy wanting to remove the whole silly proof thing.

Without proof what should I follow and trust? You? Stargate? Yeah...enjoy your dot connecting, I think I'll continue doing that in manner that requires proof, logic and sense.

MM



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Personally, although part of me is all for disclosure, the logical side of me is screaming NO!!!!


IMHO - We as in the entire human population are not ready for any sort of disclosure because from what I am starting to understand the goal posts have changed and something has started forcing the groups in the know to give out more and more information and this is what is concerning me. Everyone screams that they want disclosure but at what cost?



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Everyone screams that they want disclosure but at what cost?


IMO everyone has a RIGHT to know what is going on..
We are all the same and suppossed to be equal, so why not??

Deal the cards and let the chips fall as they will...

So IF anything is going on I think all should be told..



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree
I want us so desperately to extend beyond this 'proof' barrier, if we can see past this perhaps we can start to join the dots alot easier,

As my momma would say, that is "stinkin thinkin".
If you decide to simply ignore proof or evidence, then what dots will you connect? aliens are demons are dimensional spiders are reptilians are nwo agent mib's are etc..

This whole speculation area is littered with a near infinate amount of dots to connect, most of them being simple delusions or misinterpretations of events....proof seperates the claims that the tooth fairy is flying ufos from better explanations.

Since there is no real smoking gun proof, then you start judging likelyhood based on leads and credible witnesses coming forward. Then the actual dots that may (or may not) be real start to appear...but you still cannot connect them..because there is no proof, and there are still many dots that need to be eliminated.

The question is, are you wanting to understand the nature of these sightings, or are you trying to replace a religion with another religion? I think the planet has had enough with religion personally. Check yourself in this area



I am not going to spend all my time and effort everyday trying to convince people of the 'facts' it doesn't get us anywhere. I am much more interested in speaking to with people who are of the same mind set as I firmly believe we have been in the middle of disclosure for the last 9 months and its vital we start pooling our knowledge in order to cushion our landing when full disclosure takes place for the masses.


Reasonable people are alreay prepared for such an event anyhow...the only thing that one really has to do about "preparing" themselves is being open to advanced life out there somewhere with the potential to stop by...thats it...they don't need to know the pleadian tenants, the material used to create a gray's space suit, etc...all of that is simply creating a fantasy based on a concept.

It is fun to speculate on the whole alien agenda, of different cultures and of claims...but it is a disservice at the very best to the serious attempt to uncover the phenomona when you start presenting unproven things as anything more than pure speculation..pure unproven speculation.

Religion always hurts..

I can understand the desire to feel not alone in the universe, to hope that some sort of vindication comes before we all turn to dust. Simply put, that may not happen..or it may...but to have high hopes about something that simply is out of your control is almost always going to lead to disappointment. Research things...keep an open mind to both the ordinary and extraordinary, and if you truely want to help the field out, become skeptical and start knocking out snake oil salesmen so that false dots disappear off the radar screen...if you spend time doing that, then your helping the potential of "disclosure" far more profoundly than if you simply start a new religion by "getting past the proof".



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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I am not trying to convince people of anything. My goodness me there are enough threads already on this forum that do that. I am not trying to do anything apart from trying to establish connections with people of the same mindset. I mean come on why else would people trawl this site day after day if they didn't have this gut feeling' that something is happening or about to happen? surely people wouldn't expend so much energy just to debunk every thread for the fun of it surely? ((I am not pointing the finger here directly at you, I have read your threads and know what your about)

I firmly believe there are members on this site who are past all this 'proof or it doesn't exist' nonsense and want to talk and share experiences without ridicule. This is what this thread is about. If people want to debate whether ET exist, then this thread is not for them.

Once anyone starts to join the dots the picture starts to unfold and the truth suddenly becomes very hard to swallow.





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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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I'm as open minded as the next guy, but do you think many believe there''s klingon battle cruisers up there attacking the enterprise with photon cannons as we speak??

Or the Ori are just now warping through galactic stargates on their way to conquer Earth?

Well I sure hope Thor and his Asgaurds are there to stop them before the replicators get Thor...

BTW, I think Stargate Universe is a little lame though...



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalM
BTW, I think Stargate Universe is a little lame though...


When you die, and are standing on the boat crossing the river styx into hell, just know that it was this moment in time, this specific post, that lead you there...

lame...pfft...the series rocks


now...say something about Caprica and you and I have issues buddy!!!




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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The day they land in a ship and walk amongst us,Live amongst us,work along side us will be the day all will believe.Until that day you are going to have the believers,non-believers,and the people who are unsure what they believe in.So these videos will not be enough proof for the non-believers and the believers will read into it that all is true and the rest of the world who doesnt believe are just debunkers.The unsure people will just think about the idea of it more and then leave it alone.Myself im a believer and this information is awsome in my eyes and i thank you for sharing it with us.Altho i dont believe in worm holes



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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Well Fran, as I said above, I do not have proof that you are right or wrong. I just feel is it dangerous to decide on details of this amazing phenomena and/or the color of the aliens above us.

You think they are at war...I may think they are above such a thing, or that they never evolved to have separated identities that would war with anyone, or that they are us from the future, or that they are holograms made by earth technologies...etc etc.

I don't want to fight you or even disturb your adventures...I just see so many folks on here saying "this is true" or "that is true", when they ignore the hurtles of "locating proof".

I can think of thousands of reasons for aliens to come here or not, countless ideas on how they may react to us, or us to them...fact remains, I don't have proof or even evidence that any of my ideas are actual.

I guess what bothers me most is knowing there are many MANY folks on here who are easy to fool or lead down wicked paths of disinfo (not that you are doing that), and I sorta try and defend rational thinking in efforts to keep those gullible types from going off and dedicating their energy and lives to "invented stories".

I have no problem with people saying "opinion" or "suspicion"...that fits me fine.

I'm sorry if I came off harsh...but too many folks around here share ideas as if they were facts, and it bothers me to see people lead down false roads.

Like I said...your opinions "may" be true...I have as much proof against it as you have for it. I just think we should all be honest in saying what is "speculation" and what is not.

Again, I am sorry if I came of as hostile...it is one of my most apparent flaws and I am trying to fix it...but these things take time.

MM

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Mr. Mask
You cannot prove there are no aliens visiting earth...you stated that before, therefore because you cant prove it...then your wrong and clearly they are here.
So stuff it...your wrong, and we need to get the word out they are here!




-sorry, felt the need to make an irrational post...something about balance...been to reasonable lately-



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Well my opinion is that they are not coming and neither is disclosure, not in my remaining lifetime anyway.
These lies have been told for over 60 years, an ignorant population is a controlled population.

PEACE,
RK



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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The discloure will not happen because:
The GOV and the ET have advantage over secrecy, the gov doing a disclosure is like saying "Yes, 911 is our job" - resulting in total loss of support and anarchy (something which nobody want). On ET side, why bother, it means more biology treasure to plunder from us, why bother alerting us that theyre stealing it ?

The LHC is not capable of doing a continuous black hole (yet), so dont talk about warp drive yet. Tame the black hole and we'll see if we can make warp drive. The LHC is nothing new, USA have a few of particle collider, some torus and some straight head on, if it found, the US of A should have it long time ago.

All these disclosure will come from the ET themself, by landing/crashing and saying hi. Then we will know warp drive or dark matter or what they use to come here.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
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Mr. Mask
You cannot prove there are no aliens visiting earth...you stated that before, therefore because you cant prove it...then your wrong and clearly they are here.
So stuff it...your wrong, and we need to get the word out they are here!


OK! You start and I'll join in when you have told everyone the truth...way after you are targeted by the NWO for coming forward with this secret info.

Also... calm down man...the guy above just said Stargate's universe was lame...its not like he insulted FireFly or Dr Who or something. Pick your battles wisely!

MM



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Rigel Kent
Well my opinion is that they are not coming and neither is disclosure, not in my remaining lifetime anyway.
These lies have been told for over 60 years, an ignorant population is a controlled population.

PEACE,
RK


That might be too far on the other side of the spectrum however.

You could make a case that there has been a 60 year mindset rollout to get people at least speculating about the idea, littered with unconfirmed reports, curious sightings, etc...nothing enough to turn it into a actual scientific curiousity, but enough to make it not dropped completely as hogwash...just endless teases to keep people talking in general and opening their mind up more and more to the possibility of life elsewhere.

I did a thread based on someone elses work that speculates on this...its a sort of old theory actually but one that does make some sense if indeed ET is here but keeping quiet.

I think, the ultimate way to be in such a subject is keep an open mind, but don't let any garbage drop in...if they are here, the only thing they have been trying to do in the last 60 or so years is making people contemplate it..

sort of like the boiling frog experiment...a slow rise will not panic the frog, but a sudden splash into boiling water will cause all sorts of issues.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask

Originally posted by SaturnFX
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Mr. Mask
You cannot prove there are no aliens visiting earth...you stated that before, therefore because you cant prove it...then your wrong and clearly they are here.
So stuff it...your wrong, and we need to get the word out they are here!


OK! You start and I'll join in when you have told everyone the truth...way after you are targeted by the NWO for coming forward with this secret info.

Also... calm down man...the guy above just said Stargate's universe was lame...its not like he insulted FireFly or Dr Who or something. Pick your battles wisely!

MM


ok, aliens are here to harvest our underpants...that is step 1
step 3 is profit


and ya...but thing is, insulting Dr. Who would have immediately called upon the wrath of Bael and the 66 legions...nobody is that stupid.




-incidently, this is not off topic...there is no proof that aliens are not here to steal our underpants...a reasonable person would immediately toss that out as simply unfounded rantings with no proof...so why are we not tossing out all unfounded rantings with no proof?


why? because its true...they ARE here for your underpants!



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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Well, I don't suppose you have considered there will be no disclosure for the simple reason there is nothing to disclose. You can have your little flights of fantasy if it helps you sleep at night, or even if you lose sleep over it, it doesn't really bother me. Disclosure aint going to happen, best not to waste your life believing it will.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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As much as I would love to see a disclosure I have my doubts as to whether or not it would ever happen.

Even if the governments of earth did unite to do an announcement/disclosure on the subject of aliens/ufo's I'm sure that there would be a huge portion of people that would still rant and rave about there not been enough proof or that it is some giant cover up.





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