thanks for contributing to this thread so far
as far as i understand normality
is different in different cultures, right?
but we also share a certain normality which based on the so called laws of nature.
all living beings have to fill up with oxygen in some way.
some breath, some filter water with gills - and i since i am not a biologist i bet there are many other systems to get hold of oxygen.
so filling up with oxygen can be called normal!
as a human being it is normal to breath. we are not able to fill up oxygen in water, that.s why we drown, we are not made for that.
as LordBucket would say: a surprise if somebody could breath water, so breathing water is not normal.
so a gravitation like the one on this planet is normal for us
a gravitation like the one on the moon is not normal
quiet easy ;D
Originally posted by LordBucket
Applying the idea to people is no different. In some parts of the world it would come as no surprise for a 30 year old man to be married to a 14 year
old girl. It is a sufficiently common event that no one would be likely to be surprised by it. But the same phenemonen in the western world would be
sufficiently rare as to cause some people to be shocked.
this is a good example for a cultural difference of normality
in our western world this phenomenon is quiet abnormal
but a couple of centuries ago it was normal here as well
same goes for arranged marriages
some cultures still believe in it
as western society has waved bye bye
way of acting
how man and women live together
way of dressing
the list is endless
but i think we use this term also to fit into a group, a community.
to make us better than other who might not belong to the way we are thinking
Why are we using it so often?
Some people have firm expectations for the world and people around them. For some it is a survival mechanism. For example, "It's us vs. them, and
I identify "them" by how different they are from me." For others it's a matter of
cognitive dissonance. When observable reality doesn't match their expectations, it can
be unpleasant. Others feel the need to impose their expectations on others. There are many possible reasons for fixation on one's perception of what
good quote lordbucket
and i have to admit that i hate nothing more as if some people use this term to judge people "that.s not normal"
huuu it is not the way they think it should be!
the usage of "normal" shows - in my thinking - the grade of tolerance.
the more often you think or express "that.s not normal" the less tolerant you are towards your fellow humans
Originally posted by coder
I find it interesting when people use the word:
TRYI see the word as a built in excuse for failing. Example: "I will try to come by and see you later today." By including
the word try, the person now has a built in excuse: "I'm sorry, I tried...". When I hear the word used in the context of the example above I
interpreted it to mean, "I'm not going to come by later, and I don't want to hurt your feelings, so I'll say Try instead".
oh yeah coder
that.s also a classic one
i have to confess that i am guilty of using the word "try" far to often.
i don.t want people to pin me
usually i am going to do my best, really
it is not about hurting people.s feelings it is about not being hurted by myself
If you will then make it happen. If you won't, then so be it!
i often have heard this: if you will then make it happen
actually it usually leaves me confused
i want to make it happen, but i don.t know how!
e.g. i want to be successful as a free graphic designer, i know that i am doing great stuff, atleast i don.t know how to get customers, so i don.t
know how to let it happen to be successful.
or maybe success is also used differently in people.s minds
Originally posted by jean59
The word normal for me indicates lack of wisdom, as it stifles the uniqueness and turns us into one of the mindless herd.
i just love your expression
like the fashion victims: it is normal to wear shorts no matter if it suits you or not, like a herd of lemmings everybody is wearing shorts
Originally posted by Greensage
Coupled with the "Nor" which could be viewed as "without", I see the word Normal as meaning "without bad", and of course that is true in so many
that.s an interesting definition.
but saidly enough normality for many people in this world is not "without bad" it is war and crime
Perhaps to be Normal means you are dull because that is sort of middle ground between fun and "not-so-fun".
so as kind of average?
I sure am glad I am not normal.
Originally posted by Movhisattva
All actions, facts and concepts that harmonize with the established values or norms the user of the term believes in, or expects from the
so we learn about norms during our socialization and education
Once aware of your own norms and their relativity, you'll no longer use the word 'normal' carelessly, for it becomes an empty shell. My
norm is not per se your norm.
that.s for sure
but it also means that i have to think about the learned norms - some will become my own norms and other will be replaced, right?
but couldn.t these norms be called a moral codex?
it starts to get interesting
i would so love to discuss about moral and success
so normal could also mean that we all follow the same codex of morailty?
Originally posted by v01i0
The philosophy which professional philosophers do is much more analytical and methodological than that of laymen.
is that so?
any proves for that?
or isn.t this just a judgement of the philosophical capacities of ordinary people?
i wouldn.t call the process of reflecting about life and moral etc. just pondering, hopefully it leads to deeper insights and understanding.
mere pondering might be a symptom for a depression.
Normal means any creature, event or phenomena that can be perceived to be usual (perhaps a quantity that occurs in most observed cases) in certain
context. Out of context things are abnomals.
so normal can be called ordinary?
being into context?
into which context?
and why is something out of context abnormal?
if we go back to the example of lordbucket "30 year old man marrying a 14 year old girl"
western society would call this abnormal, not part of our moral concept
but 200 years ago it was not abnormal in our area!
we changed the context? the norms? the way of thinking?
Originally posted by Trudge
To say something is "normal" is not normal at all in my opinion.
love you for that
We use "normal" to generalize people and if they are not "normal" they must be "crazy"
and craziness scares us, it is out of control
i think people have a desire to classify their fellow humans
"the crazy red haired lady next door she is not normal" means she is not like us, maybe she is to independent!
Is it "normal" for us to be under laws?
Who decided that these laws were "normal"?
If 51 percent of people want a law to pass does that make them "normal"?
Are the other 49 percent of the people "not normal"?
i guess there have been times without laws but in my opinion people always tried to follow a moral codex!
some ended up becoming religions, others ended up in laws.
and if 51% want something, than it is not usually normal, it is just about majority
If I say the sky is blue but you say its purple which one of us is "normal"?
both, we just have different ways to describe colors.
and the decision to call the color of leaves green and the color of the sky blue is a convention
we decided on day in our past how to describe our reality
maybe again a decision of majority.
I have a hard time with "normal" if we could bring people back to life that lived 1000 years ago and they retained all there memories, would they
think we are "normal" or "not normal"?
normality as a concept of culture and time where we live!
certainly compared to the lives of those 1000 years ago we don.t live normal neither do we to those living 1000 years in the future.
i don.t live normal compared to a girl in china or japan or saud arabia, maybe not even compared to one in london, los angeles or munich.
i can only live in my own way, that.s my normality!
but it is just me
If you make yourself walk and talk like everyone you meet does that make you "normal"?
some might think so
but i don.t want to be like everybody else
i just want to be me
call me normal or abnormal i just don.t care anymore!
Thanks for the post orange-light it made me think
you are very welcome my friend
if you don.t mind ladies and gentlemen time for the next challenge