reply to post by DavidLV
Replying to you David, although most of my thoughts here are general.
I too think you have just had bad luck. And any of our bad experiences can be enhanced by what we see in the media. Its all pretty negative stuff,
towards both sexes. And gays too.
Women are not ruled by their emotions. Just as men are not ruled by their genitals. Now they can *choose* to live as if that is the case, but there
might be all kinds of reasons for them doing that - and probably one of the biggest ones is that they are sheep, or followers, doing what they see on
TV without realizing that TV is over dramaticized because otherwise - there'd be no plot, no show.
I believe people are unhappy in life also - yet - they seek the easiest thrill to try to change it. They are unhappy, instead of 'fixing' or
changing their life - they seek a sexual thrill or some 'social drama' type of thrill - because they are not sure what else to do. And options are
limited also. We might like to be a NASCAR star or a Super Model - but the best we can hope for is a job at Jiffy Lube or Cheap Haircuts making
minimum wage. People feel hopeless. And even if you wanted to "be different" or "go for broke" - school is expensive, and you might wind up back
at the min wage job anyway, and even hobbies are expensive - a decent surfboard is a thousand bucks. Oh, and your insurance probably doesn't cover
that. *If* you even have
I am interested in this overall subject and have read this thread off and on. I may have even responded to it somewhere along the line.
I sometimes feel that the "traditional" life of Male, Female, 2.5 kids is what is really wrong.
Or in other words - "Traditionalism" is
wrong, and Feminism is closer to correct.
Let me explain: This "Traditional" Family structure never really existed. Well it did, but for just a brief span of time.
Prior to this - people lived more communally. Extended Family lived together. And further extended relatives lived close by. The Community worked and
was involved with child care, helped to come fix up your home, etc.
The Female had much work to do also. On the farm, in the fields, in the home - housework was much more time consuming and difficult - AND - the KIDS
had to work too. Everyone had to work together and use their imaginations too. There were no quick fixes.
After the Industrial Revolution came the "nuclear" family. And life was made easier. And the female had less and less to do. Although she often
worked as well - in a factory or office. When people's income got to the point where only the man had to work - this was just a brief blip in
history. And the female had very little to do.
WHY this "lifestyle" is so pitched as ideal, and so fondly remembered, is beyond me. This was a narrow band of time and only a section of the
population could afford it even. Yet many tried to emulate it and it went on for maybe 30 - 40% of the population for 2 - 3 decades at most.
And there were SO MANY dissatisfied with it! So many complaints! The wife felt isolated in Suburbia and had little to do. Dad had to work long hours
and was stressed over money and job position. The kids were bored and got into trouble. Everyone seemed to want OUT of this life - while it looked
great on TV - in reality it was grinding boredom coupled with financial stress.
So perhaps this "fairy tale ideal" - was actually what was wrong?
I do not know what is "right" - I suppose that must be decided by the individual.
This topic is of interest to me, I am also thinking about work, housing, I hope to create a business one day - and besides what I will produce - I am
interested in different economic models for the biz - such as employee ownership, working with unions, wages, time spent at work, - there are many,
many ways to structure a biz, which I am contemplating.
See what I sit and ponder? I am female BTW - and look - I'm not plotting any seductions or thinking about sex LOL.
Just for some personal info, for the curious - I am 44 years old, divorced, no kids (by choice), 2 undergrad sci degrees, MS in Physics, trying to
learn more about straight biz on my own
, serial monogamist, NEVER cheated on anyone - nor partners cheated on me (men, I'm straight), wasn't out
doing alot of partying - you know that thing they tell you in school - about for every hour in class you'll have 2 hours of homework or something
like that? Yeah - that tip in regards to science students is - you basically triple it. I wasn't out screwing, I was *studying* LOL. And so are there
plenty of people just like me.
All of my relatives are biz people or scientists as well. A female relative was recently made President and CEO of a Major
US corporation. I am
VERY PROUD! OUTSTANDING!!!
Everyone is like this with my relatives, male and female. Perhaps not quite so high level - but several get written
up in the WSJ, Crain's, various biz publications - on a regular basis. Many people here would recognize some of the names. Perhaps even my own, as
And - that's another thing I could point out - not ALL biz people are crooked Sociopaths. Again, this isn't The Bernie Madoff and Ken Lay Variety
Show. Please. Not all biz people are assholes. NONE of my relatives are crooked or unethical.
And - they all have families too. Hard driving workers, and yet the kids are all OK. One kid just got admitted to Stanford.
Well, just some meanderings here. I feel alot of society is at odds, broken, and few can even begin to guess what to do.
I don't think Feminism should be blamed. I think Feminism was an outgrowth of something else
In my opinion, alot is wrong with society in general, but pointing fingers or going back to living in caves is not the answer. I am trying to come up
with some new ideas, some new models, for biz anyway. I do want to make something where all people can work together and share in the rewards. I
don't need a whole lot of $, I am interested in the *doing* of this, how it could be planned and made, hey - you want a Paradigm Shift - BE ONE!