Why the west should fear muslims, page 3
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reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 09:50 AM by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Acharya



Oh come on our leaders never lie to us !

Of course Islam is religion of peace.

We got the proof right here !

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

After Islam has imposed itself on many ppl around the world
those ppl are often very peaceful after wards.

Some even enter into a state of long term silence they become
so peaceful.

I know there are these Islamo-phobes who say they are dead,
but they have merely been guided to Allah !

LOL





[edit on 15-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 09:51 AM by faceoff85
reply to post by woodwardjnr



That, my dear sir, is just as sick...

@BigRagingLoner

I try to stick with the law. The law dictates that us Dutch people cannot have a firearm at home or carry it around walking on the streets. Firearms are to stay inside lockers at the shootingrange..

I cannot speak for the illegally owned guns, I dont own one.. I have no idea if they are all owned by muslims. I know for a fact that at least a few Dutch people illegaly owned guns, but they have been taken already. Truly dont have a clue where the other illegal guns reside ATM, Sorry

[edit on 15/8/2010 by faceoff85]



reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 09:54 AM by Acharya
Originally posted by MrVertigo
reply to
post by Acharya




Islam is not a peaceful religion, it spreads seperation and hate.


No. YOU are the one spreading separation and hate. Sorry to be blunt but that is the truth.


I don't think my post creates more hate, to the greatest extent it will only inflame hate that was already present in you. I have only tried to put my finger on a pressing issue. If you feel hate you should look inside yourself, and not blame me for a sensation that was already there.

Originally posted by MrVertigo
I am sorry to hear about your crime problems in Norway, but like the recent thread about Sweden I suspect the situation is grossly exaggerated.


Both official crime statistics (see previously posted links) and people living in Oslo would argue that. Also the Police Chief of Oslo advices women to never walk alone at night ought to tell you something. And how can you tell me, who lives here, that its blow out of porporsion? Your joking, right?


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:07 AM by Adevoc Satanae
Originally posted by faceoff85
All I know is the attack happened in the afternoon. I will not look up the exact time. Also I dont care if you doubt my words.


You are not being logical here. You supplied that detail, did you not? Why give a time if you did not know the time? Was it a lie? You did not say it was a guess so why say it?

The reason I ask is because you said the time as if it was a fact. You were wrong about it though. So...is there a chance you were wrong about other parts of the story? Did you ask them why they were dancing? At 2pm, there is a really good chance they were dancing for some completely different reason unless they were premature in celebrating.

I am simply trying to get you to reevalute this story you put forward as true. You got some stuff wrong. Think maybe you got some other stuff wrong? Why did they say they were dancing when you asked? Even if you were off by a few hours, does that not mean there is a good chance they had not even heard about it yet?

It is a FACT that in general the muslim world did not wheep a whole lot over the thousands of lives lost that day.


The same can be said for many in the Non-Muslim world. America has a way of making itself hated. You do know 9/11 was revenge, not an attack on freedom right?

And to beat you to it... I do wheep when I hear of a muslim die, the thing that comes to my mind when hearing or reading about a muslim being killed is not his/her faith but the fact that he/she is a human being who leaves behind loved ones..


I am not sure when I ever said you had anything against Muslims.

I feel that people who can rejoice over the death's of inocent people because of their etnicity or faith, should take a real deep look inside themselves..


I am not arguing anything like that, nor would I.

I just find it odd that people come on here and tell stories like "I found 50 kids in cages at 6:30pm" and "I remember seeing Muslims dancing at 2pm" but then it turns out that the time is wrong, but was given just as factually as every other part of the story. How can I not question other details?


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:11 AM by Granite
reply to post by Acharya



Thank you for explaining the truth about them. S&F!
I'm from SoCal and work in aerospace industry. A few co-workers have been men from the middle east...Jordanian or Iranian engineers. They are so grateful to have the opportunity to live and work in America. They usually are naturalized US citizens, but still have family in their homeland. This is how it should be...but my guess this represents only 30% of immigrant population. The " jihadi" scum has poured in so much for so long that they out number the assimilated. They come in thru San Francisco...on plane tickets paid by Saudi money...an organized crime network for jihad...in my homeland!!!
Thanks for denying ignorance on ATS!


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:13 AM by faceoff85
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae



You sure have a way with words... wont go into your response to deeply but I will say this. Those people coming out on the streets were indeed muslims, they were indeed showing joy over the attack on 9-11-2001. As for any other details, you can question them as much as you like.. the above stated is something that truly happened.. I purposely left out details like those muslims shouting out to Allah and thanking him... why? Because its been to long to honestly remember what was said.

I will stick to the above 2 points as they are true!!!



reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:18 AM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Acharya




Acharya, thank you for being brave enough to tell your personal story, it is the same story I have been hearing from many different sources and people who live it,

Those attacking you have lost touch with reality, either that or they are on a mission to suppress the truth from filtering out.


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:21 AM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Granite





They come in thru San Francisco...on plane tickets paid by Saudi money...an organized crime network for jihad...in my homeland!!!



I would like to hear more about this actually.


reply posted on 15-8-2010 @ 10:28 AM by Acharya
Originally posted by Magnum007
reply to
post by Acharya



2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors.
2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers. 2.192. Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.
2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.
2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.


This is about self defense. Nothing to do with warmongering... The first part even talks about not transgressing... Not going overboard.. It describes how not to continue the fight when the enemy gives up "Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends"... It even says to stop when they desist.


You picked just four paragraphs of a long list, I could also provide much more quotes but I dont have all day, sorry. Still, those verses you mention are up to interpretation, as is most of religious litterature regarless of religion. A religious leader could turn those paragraphs into anything he wanted (look how I did not say "he/she" since women are not allowed to be religious leaders in Islam ... )

Originally posted by Magnum007
Is your IQ level high enough to understand?
Magnum


My IQ is sufficient, Magnum
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