Why the west should fear muslims

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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by faceoff85
The big question this raises is: Why, when both these books are supossed to contain a message of love, are there so many people using them as excuses to supress and kill others? Islam is quite evident of these practices ATM but Christianity is not less guilty of the same...


I am with you there. From any sick thing done in the name of any of the gods of the worlds major religions. I just do not understand but I guess you have to love your god with all your heart. That takes passion. Passionate believe must lead to passionate disagreement which I guess then leads to delusion where killing in the name of that love makes sense.




posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by Acharya

Low IQ leads to a greater risk of crime, if immigrants come from countries with a low IQ and the same group of immigrants stands for 90% of the crime (see links in ealier reply) then how is this a stupid assumption.



Considering out of all the Muslims I know, not one is an immigrant. One has a green card because he was born in Canada. How is it not a stupid assumption to claim Muslims have lower IQs?



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by faceoff85
Nowadays the bible isn't used for that purpose anymore, the worst to be seen ATM is some reverant blessing the guns of the military (still wrong)


Not true. Check "The Family" and Uganda where Christianity is fighting for the right to execute homosexuals and as US Christian group of lawmakers is helping.Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push If you want we can go into Christian terrorism around the world as well. Extremists still exist in that world, sorry. So my point stands.


Hahaha.... I KNEW I formulated it wrongly and someone was bound to point that out...

just to clarify for the people not understaning the point I was making...

At This Point In Time.... More muslims are guilty of killing and hate in the name of their faith compared to Christians...

Again Im not saying Christianity isn't to blame... its just stating the facts..



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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This is just the way I see it and feel free to correct me if you feel I'm wrong I don't offend easily to an honest critic. If I'm not mistaken there are certain parts of the world where Islam originated. Now I understand we all migrate, however when its in a foreign country different from where you originate you SHOULD work hard to adapt. You don't have to believe me but to advance anywhere you must first fit in. Demanding your rights in a country where by all rights you are really a guest unless you were born there is dangerous and absurd. Then again even if you were born there we all still have a certain place and you would be wise not to forget this. Yes America has laws implemented that allows a lot more than most, now that dose not mean take advantage know your place. Then we all won't have to get on sites like this to remind you that we are birthright citizens who enjoy immigrants from all walks of life. Although that will never change the fact this is our home and the west will always defend the west and our way of life fear you ok LMAO



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
maybe it was the ak-47's


They had aks?
Those are Muslim guns?


are you that desparate to apologise for them?


Not apologizing for anyone.


yassir! r u fat?


Don't you have summer school homework?



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Geesh. No one ever answers my question about what they want to do with the Muslims. what their solution is. I wonder why...


I believe that is because there really is no humane way to solve the problems. The best thing to happen is if we could just all "get along" and be friends, respecting each others different points of views, even going as far to say we like the fact that we are all different. But thats like waiting to win the lotery... Not gonna happen..

Do you have a sugestion? one that doesn't involve forcefully relocating people?
When a person commits a crime he should be punished, for that to happen we'd need a lot more versions of our Geert Wilders.. But then again that would open up a whole new can of dogpoo



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by jpmail
I don't think the OP is that black and white some christians are mental it does not mean we can tar them all with the same brush.


Ya Think?!?! But you can tar all Muslims with that brush?


You can if you use crime statistics as a mean of measurement, and so I have. See links in previous posts.



Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

When you hang out they are still in the minority depending on the counrty.


So these people that willingly bring their families to my home to spend time with me would kill me if they controlled the government?


History has shown that muslims are peaceful when in minority, but when in majority then tend to implement their own religious laws and act violently towards other mindsets. See link in earlier post about The History of Jihad.


Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Yes You are right different countries have different laws but if Sharia law was implamented in your country you would be judged by that law.


If frogs had wings they would not scrape their ass.
If wishes were kisses, how happy I would be.
If only, if only.

Not sure why I should care about what would happen if Sharia law were implemented in the US anymore than I should worry about an intergalactic alien race taking over.


You can argue with me, but with history? If violence is the norm when a Islam becomes the majority, why do you think it would be any different the next time?



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by faceoff85
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Well to show you the same respect I will answer, most likely NOT in a satisfactory fashion.


My answer was not satisfactory? I apologize. What did I miss?


I know they were muslim because they "looked" like muslims,


What does a Muslim look like?


acted like muslims


How so? How does one act like a Muslim? I am sure there are ways but I am curious what you saw.


and talked like muslims.


Again...how is that?


My aunt and uncle also said they were...


Want to hear a story my uncle told me once about a fish he caught? Who are your Aunt and Uncle exactly?


All in all I have NOT seen their version of the Qu'ran nor have I seen them enter a mosque.


So there is room for doubt.


I know they were celebrating the attack because they said they were.


How bold. What did they say? "Hey you! Look at us dance! We are celebrating the plane crash that just happened within the hour! Are you looking?" Seriously, how did they put it?


Also the fact that a small riot took place in that street was not because of that family baking cookies...


I love it when a story gets bigger and better each time I hear it. Riots now? Go on...


And again its not something I can irefutably prove... The circumstancial evidence was enough for me to dare make the claims I have made...


I did not expect you to prove it. I expected you to at least make it believable, at least a little.



Am I correct when I assume that you are a muslim?


No.


If you are, can you or can you not acknowledge that the muslim community (at least the ones you know) was feeling joy over the attacks, as opposed to grief?


I actually already answered that question.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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I think the title should be "Why the west should fear RADICAL muslims."

I am a muslim (Ismaili muslim) myself and I don't go around raping, murdering, terrorizing etc. I grew up in Canada and this is my home. IMO, the OP is generalizing all muslims as being evil and this is wrong. I have plenty of caucasian, asian friends and they do not view me as a muslim, but as a human being. People should really peel the layers off of the onion and see what is underneath to get to the truth. I assure you not all muslims are out for cold blood and to destroy the "western infidels." My parents moved here from Africa during the reign of Iddi-Amin (sp) and they have assimilated into Canadian culture. They speak fluent english and are very social with their neighbours. We do follow the Quran (loosely), but it is translated by our spiritual leader (Aga Khan) into what it means today. The passages the OP provided are for war times and self defence. You can't just copy and paste Quran passages that were in english originally because the original is in Arabic. In Arabic there are many words that are the same but have a different meaning in certain contexts. I see a lot of people who get pissed about the amount of muslim immigrants that come into their country. I get pissed too because a lot of them are not very sociable or neighbor like. They do not want to learn the language or adopt the laws of the country they are in. Where I live, there is a huge middle eastern / south western asian presence. A lot of people will talk to me in their language and expect to me know that language because of my skin color. I just get upset that they do not want to learn the language, but that is my grudge. Most of these muslim migrants keep to themselves and work really hard to provide for their families. I go to school with their children and I can tell you that their children are a lot more open minded and tolerable. Some of them turn out to be criminals, but most of my muslim friends go to university and study hard. A lot of them are becoming doctors to help other humans out. So, before you discredit all muslims, maybe you should take the time to really listen to what some muslims say before you go and generalize all of them.

sorry for the rant OP and other ATS members



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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Don't be ignorant Acharya. Christianity is also a religion with blood on it.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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I don't need to have a suggestion for it because I don't take issue with it. I asked that question of the OP, who does take issue with it.

reply to post by manjiman
 


Or maybe why the world should fear radicalized anything?

[edit on 8/15/2010 by ~Lucidity]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Acharya
This is not a "Christianity vs. Islam"-thread, if you want one then you can start your own
This thread is about muslim immigrants in the west, if they where Christians behaving the same way I would still have written the exact same thread.


All threads that claim to use Qa'ran quotes to prove all Muslims are evil are open to the Christianity vs. Islam debate. Unless you believe all religious books that have such horrible things in them make all followers evil, the argument that that book makes all Muslims evil is null and void.


A sign beside an old wooden bridge near where I live has a sign that says "Beware! Don't feed the Trolls!" . Luckily I never do.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Furthermore to finish what I was saying Muslims want to knock Christians and I will personally go to bat with any of you who for defending what you stand for AGAINST us Christians. As I'm not speaking off the top of my head as I have a child who's father practices under Al Sunnite so don't give me that crap come with your A game so we can really clear up a few things. If not so be it I'll feel the way I feel and you can continue to feel the way you feel. With that said LONG LIVE CHRIST ! and remember if you want us to stop the hate you should be prepared to stop yours as well, I know two wrongs don't make a right but it dose make it a lot easier to be herd when you yourself can change.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Magnum007

Originally posted by Acharya

"Each tree is recognized by its own fruit". If the fruits of Islam are bad, what does it say of the tree?


If this is true then:

The Norwegian tree has been deemed rotten thanks to it's fruit...


I would rather say; thanks to its naive socialist government.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by faceoff85
Hahaha.... I KNEW I formulated it wrongly and someone was bound to point that out...


What can I say, I have issues with the family. The same issues I would have if there was a group of Muslim legislators trying to impose their religious beliefs through law to the point of murder. Just what you are all afraid of one Mosque doing, we have Christians doing right now. They are just doing it in other countries because they see that their war on the gay is not going well here so the death penalty for it would be a little far. You should take a gander and the literature they put out. You want disgusting, Christians really know how to think dirty.


just to clarify for the people not understaning the point I was making...

At This Point In Time.... More muslims are guilty of killing and hate in the name of their faith compared to Christians...


I will give you that point and ask you this...

Does that matter? Do the numbers matter? How do the numbers matter? What religion do you blame for the kinds of atrocities going on in villages all over Africa? I would imagine most women would choose losing a nose to death by sex with machete any day. Where do you stand on that? Is it just about the numbers to you? See, I live in America. The vast majority of Muslims in America are not doing any of those things and I have no fear they will ever gain the legislative power to do so. We like our porn, pot, and profanity way too much to elect anyone pushing Sharia law - trust me. Check out the room-porn rental rates and escort booms that happen during Baptist conventions sometime. It aint happenin here!

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gain Im not saying Christianity isn't to blame... its just stating the facts..


I guess I just do not understand why we need to vilify Muslims. Organized religion is a dirty dirty thing these days. There is horror in all of it. Every pretty altar hides a small box no one ever sees. While people have their panties in an uproar because someone wants to build a mosque, the Evangelicals are actually trying to change the laws, the science books, the history of our country.
The constitution is being re-written out of fear. Fear of what? Is it being re-written for lightning strikes? Automobile accidents? Alcohol? Cigarettes? No? Why not? But we got mosques 1st and terror babies 14th and and new imaginary 13th because we are scared of dying in the least probably manner likely.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by jayde
Demanding your rights in a country where by all rights you are really a guest unless you were born there is dangerous and absurd.


New York City is actually part of the US. That would make the people born there, also born in the US. Muslims are not guests any more than any other religion.

How did you all get so brainwashed into thinking Muslim = foreigner?



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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Koran 8:65 Koran 8:65
"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

www.conspiracycafe.net...


[edit on 15-8-2010 by Sky watcher]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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So. Acharya. What do you propose be done with these Muslims we should fear? Simple question, reasked directly.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by faceoff85

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

All threads that claim to use Qa'ran quotes to prove all Muslims are evil are open to the Christianity vs. Islam debate. Unless you believe all religious books that have such horrible things in them make all followers evil, the argument that that book makes all Muslims evil is null and void.


I agree with you here... its not the book that makes the religion, its the people... As with the bible, the Qu'ran leaves room for individual interpretation. In the past the bible was used as an excuse to kill many people...


Sure, anything can be interpreted by people in the position to do so, and often is. But if you want to see the result of a religion or a belief system you should look at history for proof.


Originally posted by faceoff85
Nowadays the bible isn't used for that purpose anymore, the worst to be seen ATM is some reverant blessing the guns of the military (still wrong) However when it comes to the Qu'ran, there are many people nowadays killing in the name of their individual interpretation of the Qu'ran holding the book in 1 hand and an AK47 in the other (figuratively speaking)

The big question this raises is: Why, when both these books are supossed to contain a message of love, are there so many people using them as excuses to supress and kill others? Islam is quite evident of these practices ATM but Christianity is not less guilty of the same...


Personally, Im against all religions that preaches seperation and hatred.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Acharya

You can if you use crime statistics as a mean of measurement, and so I have. See links in previous posts.


Then I can use crime stats too right? The us prison population is over 80% CHRISTIAN. Source Undone.



History has shown that muslims are peaceful when in minority, but when in majority then tend to implement their own religious laws and act violently towards other mindsets. See link in earlier post about The History of Jihad.


You are trying to skirt the issue here. You want to paint ALL MUSLIMS with the same brush. You even just tried to explain why you can. OK, so either ALL MUSLIMS want me dead as an infidel regardless of political power or you cannot make any claims about ALL MUSLIMS.

Stick to the issue. If ALL MUSLIMS want and follow Sharia law, why do I have ones that can kill me but do not? It is pretty simple.


You can argue with me, but with history?


I spend time willingly with Muslims who also willingly spend time with me. I am still here. That is some pretty damn verifiable history right there.


If violence is the norm when a Islam becomes the majority, why do you think it would be any different the next time?


Why do you shift you goal posts so much?





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